Phil Knight's wrists stinging slightly this morning, otherwise he feels terrific.
Oregon "sanctions" announced
Wrists? More like his pinky.
How will they ever recover?
fixed that in the title, thanks!
by cominig out with this "good news" before they have their campus flooded with uncommitted 5 star athletes for the Opening.
Well at least they didn't do extra stretching...
they're trying to make the punishment look severe by simply making a long list of meh punishments. Oregon probably won't even notice when the punishments are over.
- A ban on the subscription to recruiting services during the probation period.
This is hilarious. Are the Oregon coaches just going to be spending a lot of time on Oregon recruiting boards now?
Only if they are free boards. NCAA has their fingers crossed that nobody posts paywalled content on them...
I believe that's in reference to the shady Texas football recruiter who was paid to use his influence with local prospects to get them to commit to Oregon.
Is this their shining moment? Or did it already happen long ago?
Blatant adademic fraud completely undermines the pretense the NCAA maintains of the "student-athlete" but it essentially said "nothing to see here, move along."
Actually I believe their response was a bit closer to, "Well, there is something fishy going on, no doubt, but danged if they ain't out of our jurisdiction!"
Julius Peppers was found to be playing at UNC while sporting a rock solid BOOSTED GPA of 1.7 with the fraud AAS class, and we get the old " *shrugs* it's out of our hands" statement...
So does this mean we are all on Team O'Bannon now?
We weren't already?
Serious question. I guess maybe I was wrong, or maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're saying since my daughter is running around the house screaming My Little Pony songs right now, but I had assumed that out of everyone who wasn't employed by the NCAA, it was like 90-10 in favor of O'Bannon devastating the CBAA, er, NCAA. No?
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Meh. Not a big punishment IMO. Whatever, I really wasn't hoping for Oregon to get hammered because I simply don't care if they're good or not.
maybe a .gif
At the halftime of the championship game? A huge public shaming for everyone involved would be terrific tv, prolly better than the game.
A reduction of 1 schollarship. Wow. That's 1.17% of the entire team.
The only thing this will do is prevent the team's best walk-on from getting a scholarship in those years. it's immensely unlikely this will affect their starting lineup in any way shape or form
Wow, how are they ever going to recover from this?
Seriously, the NCAA has no teeth. I would not be surprised if the power conferences break away from the NCAA in the next 5-10 years to just do their own thing.
While a slap, there are some things that are going to hurt recruiting and coaching. Reduction of official visits, reduction of days supervising the team, etc. Those are going to make them wince, at least.
They got their biggest punishment when the pending sanctions scared Kelly off to the NFL. Recruiting has dropped off slightly in recent years as well, from the #9 class in 2011, to #16 to #22. While it's still early, they're at #53 now. That tells me that recruits have been wary and they may have already missed out on many who are unlikely to re-consider even though these penalties aren't terribly harsh. I think 3 years from now we'll be seeing the impact of this dropping Oregon to no better than 7 or 8 wins. For a team that was considered a title contender prior to the Stanford game last year, that's quite a drop.
Thank you Nostradamus.
Honestly I don't think these sanctions do much of anything to Oregon. Maybe it will hurt them a little but I don't see it dropping them a peg. IMO the only thing that will do that is the resurgence of dormant programs like ASU, Zona, Washington State. They all have "good " coaches that have made big splashes at other stops in their careers (graham may not count but I think he's a decent coach).
Chip Kelly got a show cause (just like Tressel). He literally could not have remained as Oregon's head coach next year.
Would be nice if people contrasted this with Carroll who was completely cleared of any and all wrong doing in the NCAA's decision, took a serious pay raise to go back to the NFL, and saw his program bombed because one guy took money and USC practices had been open to the public (just like they were before Carroll got there). But, you know, "high profile athletes require high profile compliance" (to quote Paul Dee, the Miami AD when their roster was being bankrolled by Nevin Shapiro). I guess only SC has any high profile athletes?
Good points, although I wonder if Chip Kelly had stayed at Oregon - would the punishment have been the same? Seems to me like this is the NCAA taking an opportunity to pretend they have some bite, "Oh look we chased off one of the biggest names in coaching because he didn't live up to our standards," when in reality if Chip had wanted to stay the NCAA wouldn't have forced him out. Don't know, just speculation, but when it comes to the NCAA I assume the worst.
to make Kelly's show-cause go into effect when he's actually looking for a job. Maybe make it take effect when he's no longer with the Eagles (for whatever reason) or something similar.
My 5 least favorite sports administrators:
1. Gary Bettman
2. Gary Bettman
3. Mark Emmert
4. Mark Emmert
5. David Stern
1 of your Mark Emmerts, but otherwise a great list.
The NCAA is a hypocritical paper tiger of epic proportions.
Bettman is by far the worst of them all, but thats what happens when you hire an idiot banker from Wall Street who had LITERALLY no experience with hockey...frankly, im surprised the entire league didn't completely collapse after his hiring (granted the lock-out season almost did them in)
Agree. And I'd add about ten more spots (all of which could be filled with FIFA administrators AFAIAC).
The hammer has been dropped. All you cheating schools better tighten up.
Unforetunately, it was one of these hammers...
The NCAA has become a joke. USC and Penn State must be losing their minds about now.
but USC should be totally pissed off you guys. They got all sorts of sanctions because of the act of one guy (Reggie Bush) but
- Oregon gets the daindiest slap on the wrist for their coaches committing violations
- UNC straight up ran an acdemic fraud scandal and got slapped on the wrist
- Ohio State had multiple players selling stuff for tats and got slapped on the wrist
- Miami's allegations are insane and the NCAA cannot do anything about it
If I was a USC fan, I'd be leading the way in the mob to overthrow the NCAA
I'd say Michigan fans have a right to be pretty peeved, also.
Does anybody know when Michigan's probationary period ends? I think that the ruling came down in November 2010 so I'm assuming that it'll be done in November 2013. Of course, Michigan "self imposed" two years so maybe the clock started ticking a little earlier.
Don't worry. Math can be hard.
Signed. Douchey McDoucherson
2010+2=2012 we are off probation
sanctions for RR's stretching snafu was 3 years probation, not 2. we self-imposed two, the NCAA added an additional year. source link: click here
Math's not so hard. Michigan self imposed two years but was hit with three by the NCAA. If Michigan got "credit for time served", it's possible that the probation period would end before this November.....but I haven't seen that posted anywhere.
The only thing I could see maybe, maybe having an effect is the reduction in paid official visits.
The NCAA should have limited to two unique uniforms (one home and one away) for the entire 2013 season.
I'm convinced this actually would have been a harsher punishment than what they just received.
Is the official paid visits and the evaluation days. I'm not sure if official paid visits means Oregon coaches visiting recruits or recruits visiting Oregon, if the latter, that's a huge way Oregon gets talent to come to them. That's actually not a bad sanction.
Now the scholarship reductions...
That's a pretty big reduction in official visits, likely significant for Oregon. I wouldn't dismiss the show cause order angainst Kelly either. My guess is that Oregon knew that was coming and that's why he left. Losing their coach is more than a very light slap on the wrist.
I agree - that part is pretty significant. Oregon doesn't have much in-state talent and they rely on recruiting areas that aren't easily driveable, namely Southern California. Only having 37 officials is tough, considering a class of 24. That means you can't miss on many at all, which will deter Oregon from going after the hotly contested recruits. Don't expect Oregon to go after many Midwest recruits in the next three years.
Here's the long version of the report (LINK) with the complete history of the investigation. Under "Other Administrative Penalties":
"Continue to develop and implement a comprehensive educational program on NCAA legislation to instruct the coaches, the faculty athletics representative, all athletics department personnel and all institution staff members with responsibility for the certification of student-athletes' eligibility for admission, financial aid, practice or competition; "
So, when someone sends the printout of the "compliance course schedule" for the staff to the NCAA, will it be on Oregon letterhead or Nike letterhead? Will it matter? The reduction in paid visits might sting a little.....a little, as a few have said, but I don't see Oregon being seriously hurt here.
I can say without hyperbole that this is worse than the death penalty. Will take years to get back to national prominence. That one schollie they lost was going to be a 4-time Heisman winning Offensive Weapon (TM*) and losing subscription privileges to recruiting sites, I mean... oh, the humanity!
*Offensive Weapon is a registered trademark of the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Someone tweeted that a better penalty would have been to make the football team huddle on the field. I agree.
they should just reduce the number of uniforms they can put on the field. That would hit them harder than anything
The penalty didn't impact Oregon so much as it harmed Nike.
...so I could put as much weight as possible into saying the NCAA sucks.
"What a load of horse shit." - USC
Yeah, but that's like, TOTALLY different, you guys! Oregon just paid a guy to steer recruits to Oregon! USC's money was going straight to... *dramatic inhale* ...THE PLAYERS!
OH, THE HUMANITY!!
3rd the money (not money, but a house) was going to a single football players shady step father to steer that player to a shady sports agent after he graduated college. Other than that your not very witty post was spot on.
Actually, USC was Reggie Bush and his family getting free SUV, cash/"gifts", & a house, OJ Mayo taking cash/"gifts", and a few members of the girl's tennis team making long distance phone calls on the university dime.
But you still get full participation points for contributing to class discussion today!
All the NCAA is doing is showing that it is ok to cheat to win because virtually nothing will happen to you.
This is an impressive list of nothing. Public reprimand? Is that real?
Yet somehow have to catch the bad guys ... "Stop! Or I'll say 'Stop!' again!"
There are no consequences unless you're doing some light. Major programs can do whatever the hell they want, refuse to cooperate, and expect to lose less than 5 total scholarships (out of 85!) and get probation. Why the hell not cheat then?
Kelly left to avoid tougher sanctions, in a sense losing Chip Kelly was a pretty big deal and a pretty stiff penalty by itself. Especially if the next guy isn't nearly as good. Time will tell.
that osu folks used - "losing JT was the biggest part of the penalty"
It doesn't always work out that way (yes, it might with Oregon).
@georgedohrmann: I hope Oregon didn't get cut by the zipper on the pillow the NCAA COI hit the Ducks with.
Man, i'm glad I'm not a fan of Oregon. I don't think I could survive these sanctions!!!
We hereby decree that Oregon shall receive 10 lashes with a wet noodle. And a sternly worded letter. What's that? Oh *ahem* a very sternly worded letter.
This blog has a tougher penalty than anything the NCAA hit Oregon with.
Can't imagine how pissed off USC is about this. [Edit - Just remembered OSU's slap on the wrist with a feather v our"stretch-gate." I do know how pissed-off USC is.]
The only one that carries any merit is the reduction in official visits.
I would like to call attention to a post I made yesterday in the pre-decision thread:
Oregon gets off with one or two schollies reduced and "probation" that means nothing. Meanwhile, Phil Knight will be required to give everyone on the committee all of the Nike sports equipment they want.
Not to pat myself on the back or anything...
Oregon reportedly used the same attorney as Ohio did—Michael Glazier---who is known in NCAA enforcement circles as:"The Cleaner".
You KNOW it's about the money. I would not be surprised if the major sports media franchises have made it pretty clear to the NCAA (either directly, or via the athletic conferences and/or university presidents, athletic directors, etc.) that they will not, under any circumstances, tolerate serious sanctions against major college programs.
As my dad always says, money talks and bullshit walks.