there would have to be some to wash away
Dan Tudesco, a 2006 graduate who now works in public relations in New York, set up an online account at fundraising website indiegogo.com on Jan. 9 to solicit $5,000 for the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society Inc. The initial pitch said donations would go to the society in memory of Lennay Kekua and in honor of Te'o, "two individuals who have been an inspiration to us through an iconic season."
Looks real bad for ND especially after the AD's comments. Giving to a charity-good, duping people into giving to a charity-bad
It doesn't mean everyone at ND knew on the 26th. I am guessing it wasn't the AD reaching out to the charity folk. I doubt he knew about it.
But, don't you think the AD would (or should) be particularly worried about ND continuing to play along with a myth? He should have been closing tracking anything ND was doing or tied to regarding this story. He should have made sure that ND didn't throw its support behind anythign that perpetuated the myth or used it as a means of getting money (here money to charity).
That video probably wasn't in the forefront of his mind, given the circumstances. I could easily see something like this getting overlooked with the hand wringing that's happening in South Bend right meow.
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Thank you very much! I'll remember that going forward.
I'm a noob, I wonder if I did this right.
is MAYBE where an element of fraud might enter into this mess, but someone would come off as a bit of a dick to sue over a donation to a charity because they feel the agent for their contribution wasn't representing the cause legitimately.
I don't think Notre Dame found out about this on Dec 26. They knew about it all along and whatever date Deadspin approached them is when they knew they were caught. Why else have a rushed press conference? They would have been much, much better prepared if they had 3 weeks notice.
ND PR Machine was behind this the whole time.
Why didn't Te'o attend the funeral? Or did he? Was it a closed casket?
I cannot remember if it was Michigan or MSU, but the reports said the funeral was on the day of a game.
I think his "girlfriends" dying wishes were for him to honor her in the way that he played.
supposedly she wanted him to play for her rather than attend her funeral, which I think I read was closed casket.
Or "empty casket" as it were...
Well, if he wasn't going to visit her after she was recovering from her car accident, OR when she was going through chemo, why would he bother visiting her grave? His own version of events makes him sound like a pretty crappy boyfriend.
Of all the "Return to Glory" years since 1988, this one is by far the most entertaining.
theory: this story started to implode during the runup to the heisman ceremony. i posit that the heisman committee wanted to fly in te'o's family and probably the family of his dead girlfriend for the ceremony (you often see large family contingents at these events) as it would have been a heartwarming story (especially if he had won). committee either reaches out themselves or asks teo to get in touch. thats when everything unraveled. the "mystery phone call" from his dead girlfriend's number on dec. 6th was probably a fabrication to deflect attention from what really caused this to come to light
makes a lot of sense to me
If he had a 3 year record of electronic communications with a "Lennay Kekua" that would be pretty compelling. The records could even be heavily redacted as long as it demonstrated a sincere communication with Lennay.
If Teo is telling the truth he has the evidence to prove it.
When ND produces the aliens who fogged his brain, and they explain how they did it, I will believe he was in the dark.
The big question for me now is how long did the ND administration, athletic and otherwise, know about this canard? The confluence of forces here suggest that we have something like the Penn State scandal with regard to the higher-ups. Not as large or harmful as the PSU scandal for sure, but of the same species (lying and coveringup for something deemed too big to criticize or discipline).
There is a ton of information out there and the narrative seems to shift around a bit. I have also seen a number of stories which seem to quote other stories where the information gets slightly altered.
I can only assume Pete Thamel has not altered his notes from his SI piece on Teo and his girlfriend since he should have a record of it. The amount of detail is staggering considering this person did not exist. Back to knowing her for 4 years, starting to date in Oct 2011, details of her life, etc, it is simply hard to comprend the extent of the lie that Teo promoted and his current explanation of being duped.
Yes, the guy did not commit a crime, but to manufacture such an elaborate tale involving severe injury, cancer and his heroic involvement requires a pretty twisted mind. After reading the detailed notes, there should be no further questions regarding what he did, only why the "high character guy" was such a fraud.
I found this interesting:
On Sunday, Sept. 23, I sat down with Manti Te'o for a story that was due two hours after the interview concluded and would appear on SI's cover later that week.
If this is SI's M.O., then they give their reporters no real chance to digest (and fact-check) what they've heard in the interview. They basically have to pre-write their story before the interview happens. I imagine that isn't uncommon, but it's pretty lousy journalism.
On the Dan Patrick Show yesterday, Thamel stated that ND did not make Te'o available until Sunday. Thamel was on campus from Wednesday to Sunday. He asked to interview Te'o earlier, but was not given access until Sunday. He spent Wednesday-Saturday interviewing everyone else. He then wrote his entire story and submitted it to SI. Then he had his interview with Te'o on Sunday and filled his story out with some of this informaiton.
Here is the link to the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJEz6wwVWQA&feature=player_embedded&list=PLJxLLAD6f6BRqFv3EVUXnuIZ6mg7W9jkr
Agree, that was far too much detail for him to have just made it up on the spot, but I also think it would have been hard for him to rehearse it all before the interview. I suspect that he might have been getting suckered up until to the point she "died", and only found out the whole thing was a joke after he had publicized it. At that point it would have been too embarrassing to admit the truth, so he made up a bunch of extra BS about meeting her at Stanford, etc. I think the other details he shared were probably things "Lennay" had told him before he found out the truth, and found them easier to remember because he was still emotionally invested at the time he heard them.
Or it's possible that he's just an unusually good actor and an unusually good liar. I'd like to see his e-mail history as well as his phone bills.
if somebody (or a group of somebodies) came out of the woodwork and explained how and why they duped MT in great, believable detail.
otherwise, he clearly was in on it.
We need to get one of those FBI or CIA human lie detector people to analyze all of those taped interviews. I saw we have him analyze the Swarbrick press confernce as well.
...I found out that he accidently gave himself a frontal lobotomy with a spoon while eating a bowl of cereal.
Well the most recent from the Evil Sports Network has supposed others coming out now saying they were duped as well suspiciously all are Samoan.... Now I'm not one to throw spears but who on this board doesn't think that Norte Lame and those wacko Mormons in SLC don't have the power or ability to make this all go away?? The highest profile Samoan in years...a church who has done more mission work than anyone in American Samoa...and a rabid Irish following who has movers and shakers in powerful places?!?!? This whole thing stinks to high heaven!!
I would believe he was duped, if he took both a polygraph and an I.Q. test. The polygraph would have to show that he was being honest and his I.Q. test would have to come back with a score between 5-10.
I'm pretty sure sociopaths have the ability to beat polygraphs -- they simply believe that the reality they fabricated is true because it is what they want to be.
Or something like that.
I'm not a shrink, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn.
Did anyone else read about the guy in New York who created an indiegogo "foundation" to send money to a leukemia foundation on behalf of Lennay after the bowl game? Well, it happened. The problem is, after the bowl game, Notre Dame sent a crew to interview him and create content for the schools website!!! If so, is Notre Dame in on the coverup? There is still so much info we need to see.
Eh didn't scroll down far enough, already posted above. Sorry.
this is just a case where the AD and a few other "higher ups" knew that the Te'o girlfriend thing was a hoax, but they were keeping it under wraps and the PR arm wasn't aware. These days, major colleges have PR guys that have a lot of discretion in terms of drumming up press, so the fact that the PR people might not have said anything to Swarbrick might not be that strange. It might be a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand knows. 20 years ago this probably wouldn't have happened because the AD would probably clear a PR trip to New York and would have put the kibosh on it. Now a days, this may not be something they even run by the AD. Just a guess...
USA Today ran yet another story on some of the discrepancies here - (LINK)
One detail that I hadn't caught before showed up in this story. It seems that, back when he was interviewed by Kate Sullivan in the early December timeframe, Te'o talked about how Kekua would write letters to him and that the Stanford game was the last one which was accompanied by a letter. It may not be so bad if that game had not been played on October 13th, a shade over a month AFTER Kekua supposedly died.
It still strikes me as very odd that someone who supposedly was deep in love with this "person" did not, in reality, consider that enough to physically meet them, or indeed attend their funeral. That's not an original revelation here, but it is one of the core inconsistencies that simply make me tend to believe that Te'o had knowledge of what was going on here, and even if not at the genesis of the plan, certainly later on.
The article in the South Bend Tribune, I believe, mentioned that allegedly meetings were set up where Kekua never showed, but I would think that, if this is the case, doesn't that raise a gigantic red flag, even to someone like Te'o? I have difficulty believing that he could really be that naive and not see the glaring inequity there in this "relationship".
These things, in combination with the fact that Te'o continued to talk about Kekua as if were dead after he knew this story was coming unglued in early December, tend to make me believe that an elaborate duping is not what this is. If it was, then I would seriously worry about sending a man who has no ability to think critically and problem solve into a professional workforce of any kind.
Dude, faith is believing in something you can't necessarily see.
/s (just in case)
The absolute irony of your "/s" when coupled with your statement has had me chuckling for quite a bit now.
Apparently you have little "faith" the readers will "get it".
I read that as saying that she wrote these pre-game letters in advance knowing that she was going to die. Much like dying parents write letters for their children to read on birthdays/major milestones. Stanford was the last one she had completed upon her "death."
Those letters were supposedly found on this girls ipad, after death, by her family and sent to Manti for every game.
Have none of you guys seen the links to the clown who has all but admitted to doing this?
I think its very possible he wasn't "in on it" but was guilty of taking what he knew to be a small Twitter flirtation and playing it up 1000 fold. As I posted in one of the other threads, its entirely possible that he didn't know he was being duped but when the girl "died" he over dramatized it to those around him, not realizing that the media would become tipped off and start asking about "the girlfriend that died." At that point he elected to not come clean, and played the matter up, figuring he'd get some milage out of it from the MSM before it fell off the radar. As unexpected momentum built, he did so many interviews about the topic that he had to come up with "new material," so he invented late night phone calls that never happened, a "first meeting" in Palo Alto that never happened, visits to Hawaii that he told his family about (who then relayed them to the media) that never happened and so on... I'm sure the "shocking" Dec. 6 phone call from "the perpetrator" never happened either. There was no girl, just Tuiasosopo, some picks of a hot girl he obtained and some Tweets/messaging. The whole Dec. 6 call "from a girl I thought was dead" is another fabrication; it was Te'o's way of trying to come clean with the least amount of egg on his face.
At some point he must have figured out he was being messed with, and may have even heard whispers that journalists were investigating this "girl friend" of his. In a panic he took the matter to the school and together they went into damage control (which apparently means do nothing until forced to, then have the AD cry). Notre Dame administrators know he was embelishing, so part of damage control is to try and keep the focus on the fact that he had been tricked and draw attention away from the fact that this only happened because Te'o took a benign Twitter flirtation and tried to spin it into Love Story.
Now he's stuck: he's being accused of being "in on" the hoax, but the only way to prove he wasn't would be to admit that he embellished everything to begin with which, frankly, might be just as bad.
("Love means never having to say you're sorry!")
Good stuff. That is a very interesting and compelling narrative that fits with the way life works and humans are. We want to put Te'o in one of two boxes (or three if you include the gay theory): Either he is a sociopath or a naive saint. However, people don't generally fall on those extremes. As many have said, no way he is that stupid and no way he is that creative/manipulative. It's realistic that he found himself in a snowball of lies that turned into an avalanche that he never saw coming.
He made many many mistakes that I don't expect people to forgive him for, no matter what the outcome. He played up the death of a girl and played on people's emotions surrounding cancer like a harp. My mother lost my father to Leukemia in their 20s and I fell for his story and got wrapped up in it. I am mad and mad at him and those involved and I can't be alone.
Nonetheless, I am still really hoping this was a big Te'o/ND conspiracy because that would just be too rich and a lot more fun to direct my anger.
I think my theory has a pretty good chance of being close to the reality... but I'd rather he was just in on it from the beginning too. Makes the whole thing more simple and more delicious.