One important reason Harbaugh might leave Stanford

Submitted by Don on

Nobody on the internet really knows whether or not Jim Harbaugh is truly interested in leaving Stanford, and nobody close to Harbaugh is talking. However, there is one potentially huge inducement (aside from a new $50,000 crapper in Schembechler Hall) for JH to leave Palo Alto and come back east: the absolutely miserable attendance at Stanford games.

"A nationally-ranked football team with a star quarterback, well-known coach and gorgeous stadium would translate to sellout crowds on most college campuses.

But not at Stanford, where thousands of seats sit empty on any given Saturday. The small crowds are an object of derision for opponents and a source of frustration for school officials, including football coach Jim Harbaugh. The situation has left others baffled.

"Their head coach is a force of nature. Their quarterback is a Heisman Trophy candidate. Their team is one of the best in the country, and they have 6.5 million people living here," said Andy Dolich, who has worked as an executive for the A's, Warriors and 49ers. "They've got everything going for them."

But the empty seats -- in 50,000-seat Stanford Stadium, more than 10,000 regularly go unfilled -- are no longer just a head-scratcher. They could cost the football team a berth in a major bowl game."

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_16712437?IADID=Search-www.mercurynews.com…

Don

December 4th, 2010 at 8:02 AM ^

But if you go to the Mercury News, you'll see that the author received a number of letters in response to this article, and some of them mention the greatly increased costs of getting season tickets, a result I gather of the new tiered seating policies at Stanford.

harmon98

December 4th, 2010 at 10:09 AM ^

here's the link to the article http://bit.ly/hdbDO4

of interest:

Officially, Stanford averages 40,296 fans per game. (The only Top 25 team that has a harder time filling its stadium is Nevada.)

Stanford’s average reflects the number of tickets sold and distributed. The in-house crowds are often smaller by 5,000-10,000.

For the early-November showdown against Arizona — one of the biggest home games in Stanford history — the actual crowd was a shade over 37,000.

In other words: The stadium was 25 percent empty for a game featuring two ranked teams.

victors2000

December 4th, 2010 at 8:11 AM ^

if there was actually a coaching vacancy here at the U, which I don't believe there is. I suppose I can't call Michigan, 'the U', can I? I won't do it again. I think without a coaching vacancy elsewhere he won't be leaving Stanford.

blueheron

December 4th, 2010 at 8:12 AM ^

Stanford's apparent lack of diehard fans and how it might relate to their bowl destination is an interesting issue.

That aside, I'm not sure it's a given that a coach will really care about attendance.  What does it mean in isolation?  On the plus side, it might be an indication that your fan base is mellow, educated, and reasonable, as opposed to ours, which seems to have plenty of Valenti-esque fan(atics) whose mental health *depends* on Michigan wins.  (Aside: No slam on UMich ... you can do worse in our conference and for sure in the SEC.)

Now, Harbaugh is a competitive guy and I'd guess that small crowds don't do much for his ego.  I'm sure he'd like to prove himself at a different level (either the NFL or some football factory).

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Another note on Jimmy: I can't help being favorably impressed by what he's done there, but I wonder if it would be easy for him to get 10+ wins for the next several seasons.  He might have an easier time doing that somewhere else (like Michigan).

Raoul

December 4th, 2010 at 10:08 AM ^

That aside, I'm not sure it's a given that a coach will really care about attendance.

Harbaugh has certainly raised concerns--in public--about attendance at Stanford. This was discussed in an AP article titled "Jim Harbaugh critical of BCS' priorities":

Harbaugh also expressed disappointment in Stanford's attendance figures this season. The school averaged just 40,042 fans at the 50,000-seat Stanford Stadium, selling out only for the game against Southern California.

Harbaugh said the university needed to put one person in charge of making sure there was improvement in attendance in the future.

"You want the players to have it all," he said. "They have most all of it here at Stanford. You talk about academics, you talk about the athletic department, etc. You want to see them have big crowds too. Hopefully we're moving in that direction."

Harbaugh would not answer questions about whether lackluster attendance would play a role at all in how long he would remain at Stanford as coach.

ommeethatsees

December 4th, 2010 at 10:19 AM ^

I especially think it will be hard for Harbaugh to reach 10 wins again without the services of one of the top QB's in the country in Luck.  Perfect timing to get out now before Stanford drops off a little bit and Michigan is all set to explode next year.  It will make him look like a genius and Harbaugh knows it.

DMIKEGOBLUE

December 4th, 2010 at 8:14 AM ^

Is rising seat costs the issue?  We have expensive seat license fees, and still pack our stadium.  Maybe things are different out there.  I would think that with an 11-1 team, single game ticket sales would be at an all time high.

Hoken's Heroes

December 4th, 2010 at 9:15 AM ^

...about LA and the Raiders, two more things to clarify. The Coliseum is in a horrible part of L.A and many just don't want to travel there and L.A. isn't Palo Alto. Even before the new stadium, people didn't go see Stanford Football. Football is just not exactly that popular at Stanford.

 

It appears that Harbaugh is proving he can turn sorry programs into winners. So far he has. Can he do so at Michigan? Now that's the question!

mGrowOld

December 4th, 2010 at 8:19 AM ^

Not surprised.  I lived in the bay area for most of the 80's and I can tell you without question that college football runs a VERY distant second to pro in fan interest there.  East bay is pure Cal & Raiders and west bay is Stanford & 49ers but there isn't much concern over the college programs either way.   And with the cost of living in Palo Alto being somewhere between insane and unafforadable for anybody with a net worth south of Bill Gates the ticket price increase probably didn't help matters any.

Stanford's attendance problems are also not helped by the fact that they are definitely a national program and don't have a huge local fan base to pull from.  Once the Stanford student graduates they generally leave the area to go make their millions. 

Unlike Michigan's ticket-holding fan base Stanford doesnt have a bunch of  Wallmart Indians...I mean Cardinal.....or whatever PC name they go by now. 

Indiana Blue

December 4th, 2010 at 12:04 PM ^

But ... are you getting paid royalties for using the "posted from IPhone" title ?

Give a fucking break ... I like your content, but really the IPhone shit is really too much !  Hey about "posted from my Shoe phone (Agent 86)"  !!!

Also ... this isn't just you  -  plenty of others are using this too (big fucking deal .... oooo you have an IPhone)

Go Blue !

M-Wolverine

December 4th, 2010 at 12:30 PM ^

Congratulation! If you're posting from the App without a subject line, it automatically appears there, because a blank subject line causes technical problems. So you had a rant for nothing. Feel better?

dearbornpeds

December 4th, 2010 at 2:24 PM ^

     Stanford also has a large number of international students who may not be terribly interested in American football.  There is no question that Harbaugh will leave Stanford-the only issue is whether he wants to jump to the NFL or come back and be a god.  I believe a verbal agreement is already in place for him to return to Ann Arbor.  Otherwise, there is no reason to let RR twist in the wind and damage the next recruiting class.  I find it disingenuous that Brandon needs additional data points to make his final decision.

cadillacjack333

December 4th, 2010 at 8:23 AM ^

Jim if you are reading mogblog it means they will never write books about you at Stanford, you will never have a building named after you and you will never get the chill on the back of your neck when you walk out of that tunnel.

Suavdaddy

December 4th, 2010 at 8:36 AM ^

Harbaugh would kill for this job.  He wants.  Everyoje knows he wants it.  He went to school here.  He dominated here.  Would any one of you, Michigan fans, take an NFL job over the Michigan job just for more money?  I wouldn't.  What's $3m vs $6m?  Nothing to care about.  Now multiply by 50 for the Jackhammer.  Enough already. 

BlueFish

December 4th, 2010 at 12:21 PM ^

He's not saying that college coaches don't get fired quickly for non-performance.

Fact is, only three NFL coaches have a tenure of at least 10 years with the same team (as of the start of this season).  The standards for performance are simply much higher at the pro level.  I'm going to guess that many college coaches have more than 10 years with the same program, and many of those are allowed to have short lapses in success.  For example, JoePa's teams were miserable between 2000 and 2004 (four losing seasons in five years), and I doubt Texas will fire Mack Brown for one down year.

M-Wolverine

December 4th, 2010 at 12:39 PM ^

You control your own destiny, and can continue to do so. You don't have to worry about being a great coach working with Matt Millen's draft picks. You recruit your own. And if you win a National Title, they don't say you get the last choice in recruits the next year. Being awesome makes you more awesome when you get a top recruiting class the next year. Great coaches wear out their welcome in the pros all the time, or get fed up. You can be JoePa in college. In the pros, even if you're great for a loooonnngg time, you're more likely to be Parcells.

Derek

December 4th, 2010 at 1:56 PM ^

It's worth mentioning that there has only been one JoePa in the history of college football, and there almost certainly will never be anyone to challenge his tenure.

Derek

December 4th, 2010 at 1:55 PM ^

But saying that "coaching pro might actually hurt you financially in the long run" seems silly given the long list of failed NFL coaches who have since been hired as the head coach of big college programs. Just off the top of my head: Carroll, Kiffin (twice), Groh, Saban, Spurrier, Wannstedt, Davis, and Petrino. Having experience as a losing NFL head coach hasn't hurt any of their ability to find a job as a college coach at a BCS school. That means that they got the really big bucks in the NFL and went back to get the less formidably big bucks as a college HC where they can conceivably still have a long, stable tenure. Making a go of the NFL when a coach has the the opportunity to do so just doesn't hurt their financial prospects. From the looks of it, it actually ensures that they'll have a chance to coach a college squad in case they fail miserably.