One difference between Hoke and Rodriguez that I find encouraging

Rumors flotated around about Mallett even when LLoyd was the coach. But very encouraging about Coach Hoke embracing Denard as the QB.
GO BLUE

if it makes you feel better you can believe that

The difference is not RR and Hoke, but Mallett and Denard. Lloyd hated Mallett.

True, Mallett may have been leaving no matter what, but my sense (which could be wrong) is that Rodriguez didn't really try to talk him into staying, perhaps because he felt he could get Terrelle Pryor.

What makes you think that the kid, who by all accounts was on his way to his first choice all along, was going to stay for a guy he had already turned down when he was recruited at WVU?

Rodriguez is gone.  Let him be.  Let Hoke be successful on his own merits and the merits of the team on the field, not on some fantasy comparision.

Yes, Mallet didn't want to be at Michigan.  He almost didn't come in the first place, but his parents made him honor his verbal commitment.  So, this is a totally different situation in my opinion. 

But if Brady Hoke used the word "dilithium", he will always be my coach

No.  RR actually said to Mallett - "I don't want you here.  Why don't you just go somewhere else, because I think that Nick Sheridan can run the spread better."

/s

Do you seriously believe that the conversation b/w Mallett and RR went anything like that?  I think that Mallett was half out the door before RR got here and smartly, Mallett left, as RR's system would not have been a good fit for his skill set.

If you want to say that RR did a poor job or retaining talent or preventing attrition, fine - that's a valid point and I agree with that.  But, I think that your example goes too far.

Also, have we hit a point where we can stop talking about RR's faults.  He is gone - for better or for worse.  When he was here, he gave it his all, even though the results were terrible.  People who are still criticizing him sound like jilted ex-girlfriends/boyfriends.

Also also, can we stop with the Hoke v. RR comparisons - they are completely different people, with different backgrounds, who run completely different systems.  We know.  We get it.  Neither is perfect and neither is terrible.  Hoke is probably a better fit for Michigan and its fan base.  But these endless comparisons aren't fair to either man.

Lloyd met with RR and gave him his take on the key players.  I vaguely remember a recent post on another site in which Mallett--who seems to bear no grudges toward UM--recalled that he and RR talked it over and agreed that it made more sense for him to seek a school running a pro-style offense.

The one that I would point out, that was RR's beginning of the end, was faith in the scheme to the point of refusing to adapt.  That's why he didn't seem to try to keep Mallet.  I wish he would have eased into it like Kelly did at ND.  But if Mallet was a poison, it was better that he left and a shame that the other poisonous players didn't go with him...

GO HOKE!  GO BLUE!

Didn't run for the most yards as a quarterback in college football history, nor did he account for 75% of the offense the year before the new coach got here. So there's that.

admit that the situations were handled completely different, then you're blind. This is not to say Mallet wouldn't have left anyways, but come on, give Hoke credit where it's due. He's pushing very hard to retain Denard.

Hoke seems to Embrace our rivalries and recognize them where as, I always felt like RR was somewhat wishy-washy on them and didnt put a huge emphasis on them. I loved RR but hated how on weeks leading up to big rivalry games it always felt like to him they were just another game. With Hoke I feel like he will pound hatred into the team in regards to our big rivalries which I find, very encouraging.

including Chris Perry.

This is the public repetition of one of the silliest, most nonsensical rumors in the sad and sordid history of the three years of defaming Rich Rodriguez in Ann Arbor.

I have no idea what the truth about Mallett and RR is anymore, and I'm not sure many people actually do.  I wasn't on MGB at the time so I don't know the sources of "RR drove him out of town" vs "Mallett was out halfway through his freshman year anyway."  

Whatever the truth is, who cares?  I agree Hoke comes off as very welcoming so far but only time will tell how well he keeps the class together, and even then we won't know the real reasons behind any transfers that may come.  I guess we have to do something now that CC and FlightAware threads don't pop up every 30 seconds.

Their weight?

While none of us know exactly what happened in meetings or conversations between RR and Mallett and between Hoke and Denard

Yup. You should have just stopped here.

Just my two cents. I supported RR 100%. I thought he got a raw deal. Howeva, he did a piss poor job utilizing personnel his first year here. Was he limited at qb? Yes. But he should have run some wildcat or played more of Feagin. I remember Feagin ballin out against Minnesota year. Anways, RR is gone. I wish him wel, but it is time to move on. I love the way Hoke is saying how they know Denard is the focal point and will do what it takes to keep him.

Mallett never returned Rodriguez's calls, so this whole issue is stupid; the two never talked.

I think it went like this:

RR - Mallett, you got's one helluva arm there son, but yer legs ain't got what ah neeeeeed. I like yer style and yer gumption, but feller you ain't ma startin' quarterback til ya earn in my kitchen, son.

Brady - Denard I am mother fucking hungry. They got pastrami up in this bitch? Where's the fucking mess hall in here? Sorry I am so sweaty, it's hot in here. Hell last year me and the family went to Alaska and it was hot there too! Shit it's hot everywhere! San Diego made my balls stick to my leg a shit load. It was awful. Not what's say you and me find some sort of pork and put it between a couple slices of bread? How bout it?

was really dumb.

"hey, I made something up! and now, I feel better."

seriously?

I know we say that Rodriguez didn't adjust to the personnel that he inherited when he got to Michigan he only started using Tightends at all when he got to Michigan, and up until half through last year he did line up in the I-formation and try to run between the tackles, he just didn't try it very often.

The only "difference" between BH and RR that encourages me is that BH won't have to put up with the BS that RR did. 

I'm already sick of the "compliments" to Hoke that are really thinly-disguised slaps at Rodriguez, but it is refereshing to have the media and former Michigan players actually working with the head coach instead of against him.  When it comes time for that borderline kid to be accepted for admission, the full support of everyone associated with the program helps a lot, too. 

So, I am going to be happy that Hoke is getting the media and alumni support he deserves, even if RR didn't.  And I will ignore the stupidity of those who think that Hoke can wave a magic wand, tell kids about tradition, and that all of a sudden they will play harder for him than they did for RR because they now "get it."

I'm just hoping that Hoke can find a way to win the minimum of nine games that I believe RR would have won this year.  It will bother me that, even though he will be the first to try to deflect it, he will be given credit for all of RR's groundwork and rebuilding, but I will be happy to see the media giving some positive coverage to the University of Michigan and its football coach for a change.

Whatever the reason, the football coach at the University of Michigan doesn't have to put up with people sabotaging his program, and won't have to put up with media attacks on a daily basis.  That makes me happy.

an on camera interview where Rich Rod was asked point blank about Mallett within weeks of him excepting the job at Michigan.  RR replied that he had tried to convince Mallett to stay on three different occasions, and that this was enough to convince RR that he didn't want to be here.  I also seem to remember the general part of Michigan fandom who always reply with something along the lines of "I only care about players who want to play for Michigan", rallying around him for this, at least momentarily.  Dollars to donuts that those same fans are the same ones claiming he ran off Mallett because he didnt' want to adapt now. 

I can accept the new hire.  I can hope that he'll work out.  I'm not going to sit here idly and watch while people make up shit and post rationalize things in an effort to convince themselves that the ship has righted itself and everything is going to be okay.