they can discuss it like gentlemen.
they can discuss it like gentlemen.
LOL. You think Stanford will make the Rose Bowl soon.
Based on losing Luck, I'm guessing they are on the decline.
I think the Pac-12 North is going to look quite different at the top in the coming years. If Washington can get any kind of defense they should be able to challenge Oregon for the north title.
I agree with you. I really like what Sark is doing up there. He was able to lure away Tosh Lupuoi from Cal and take Tennessee's DC and top recruiter. Washington is really starting to shell out some dough for top flight assistants.
1) No Luck
That alone spells trouble for Stanford, who doesn't even sell out home games.
6) Kelly staying at Oregon
Sold out all of its home games last year, has 10 returning all-conference players, and has a highly-ranked recruiting class coming in.
Future's fine in Palo Alto.
Please list the 10 all-conference players they have returning and what position they play.
I'm calling bullshit on this one.
Chase Thomas, OLB, RS Jr (1st team)
Stepfan Taylor, RB, Jr (2nd)
Ben Gardner, DE, Soph (2nd)
Jordan Williamson, K, Fr (2nd)
Cameron Fleming, OT, Fr (Hon)
David Yankey, OT, Fr (Hon)
Drew Terrell, Returner, JR (Hon)
Ty Montgomery, ST, Fr (Hon)
Levine Toilolo, TE, So. (Hon)
Ryan Hewitt, FB/TE/H-Back, So. (Hon)
If you count Honorable Mention, Stanford's got the second-most returning all-conference players. Also three or four freshmen all-americans. You'd guess Chase Thomas is the preseason defensive player of the year for the Pac-12, and the team is getting a number of players back from injury.
I follow college football pretty closely and I recognize only two names from that list. And no, nobody on earth counts honorable mentions as making the all conference team because... they didn't.
not count as all conference recognition?
In a universe where there are more and more thrown into HM just to make everyone happy?
In the Big Ten this year, there were 96 players on 1st team, 2nd team, and honorable mention as selected by the coaches. Spread out across 12 teams, that's an average of 8 players per team. It's pretty misleading to include players outside those top two teams, because that means roughly 33% of the league's starters are "all-conference."
Strange to see two returning OTs that are so young and obviously pretty good. You'd think that would've helped our chances.
I think Garnett is a guard (at least, seems like he is duscussed as a guard most places).
"Honorable Mention" doesn't really count as "all-conference" to me. You have to be on the 1st or 2nd team for that to count. So they have 4 all-conference players.
Well, they should sell out... they only have to find 50,000 people. It's not really very impressive.
I don't give a damn about Garnett choosing Stanford; I don't wish him any ill will, nor will I follow his career. He made a calculated gamble that David Shaw is going to keep the program at the level that Jimmy Hairballs had gotten it to; based on Shaw's decision-making at the end of the Fiesta Bowl, I wouldn't have made that judgement myself. My hunch is that Stanford is going to decline over the next three seasons. I would actually like that, since I still have a grudge against Stanford for the 1972 Rose Bowl.
I don't get the anger directed toward him, but then I don't know why people believed his feel-good statements about UM in the first place. A certain percentage of recruits lie through their teeth and talk out of both sides of their mouth every year, and I've been watching that go on for so many years that I basically don't believe anything a recruit says until he commits and then signs on NSD.
Just my two cents, but I think Luck will be a detrimental loss to their team, and they don't have Harbaugh.
When Jim Caldwell stepped in at Indianapolis, he had Peyton for two years. Their win loss went from 14-2, to 10-6, to 2-14.
That 14-2 kind of reminds me of Stanford's season this year. They have a different head coach, but still had a stellar quarterback, and they did well because of it. But then, after Caldwell lost his stellar quarterback, his team flopped. So, maybe the success of their team was really on their quarterback more than the coach.
Harbaugh steps in to a 6-10 team, takes them to 13-3 and makes it to the NFC championship game, with essentially the SAME TEAM. Now, that SAME TEAM had 1 pro bowler during their 6-10 season, but in their 13-3 season, they had 9 pro bowlers. Is it that those players got so much better during an NFL off season that now they're pro bowlers? No. You make the pro bowl based off the season you have. So, those 10 all conference players returning doesn't mean a ton to me. Without Harbaugh and Luck, I don't see Stanford being great.
Before I start to ramble, the point I'm trying to get at is head coaches and star quarterbacks matter. Who knows, maybe David Shaw is going to be a phenominal coach, and as soon as I see it I'll eat my words, but I don't know how bright the future in Palo Alto is.
Either way, best of luck to Garnett.
Luck's backup will be a RS Soph next year who was a top 5 pro-style QB in the class of 2010, and his HC was Harbaugh and Luck's offensive coordinator.
There really isn't much of a reason to assume that this team is set for a big decline.
Damn funny. Did you have this one cocked and loaded for such an event? You are a gentleman and a scholar fine sir.
For Josh Garnett, I hope he's successful there, and has a great college experience. But I love how passionate Ondre is, and how much he cares about Michigan's tradition.
I'm actually glad Garnett picked the "Cardinal". I grew tired of his comments like...i don't know where I'm going, or I don't have a leader.
I can only speak for myself when i say that I am excited to hear guys like Ondre, Mags, Morris and how passionate they are for Michigan. These are the young men we should celebrate. The guys who stood up and made a man's decision. Good bye and have fun sliding back down to the bottom of the Pac-12, Cardinal.
Not everyone who turns into a good player is passionately in love with Michigan from the get-go. Denard Robinson didn't decide until the last minute, and he's one of the most beloved Michigan athletes of the last decade, if not all-time. Donovan Warren, Jonas Mouton, Steve Schilling, Adrian Arrington, Alan Branch, all of them decided late in the process.
Your viewpoint just isn't realistic. I'm sorry, but it's not. You want everyone to be in love with Michigan as much as you are, even though they grew up three time zones away and have offers to get a free college education at any powerhouse school in the country.
So you are the judge on viewpoints? God bless America. My view point is very valid.
I'm not against a young man taking his time and making a well thoughtout decision. Additionally, My comments where also in regard to how he "lied" to Ondre. I can not look at that behavior without realizing this entire process could have been the same.
Oh please let me keep my viewpoint, o might judge of all things on MGOBLOG.
Yes, I am the judge on viewpoints. God appointed me to that position.
Anyway, what I'm saying is that if you don't want players who are on the fence about Michigan, then you can subtract Denard Robinson, Steve Schilling, Jonas Mouton, Donovan Warren, etc. from Michigan's history. Do you like Denard Robinson? My guess is the answer is yes. But you apparently don't want him here, since he didn't say "YES YES A THOUSAND TIMES YES" as soon as he was offered.
So. Our quarterback last year was a sophomore Devin Gardner. Did we win the Sugar Bowl? No. Our quarterback in 2010 was a freshman Devin Gardner or a sophomore Tate Forcier. Did we win even 7 games? Probably not.
If the coach of any school in the entire country had the same viewpoint as you, they would be complete and utter losers...because I don't see any successful coaches who don't have to fight recruiting battles right up until the bitter end. Mack Brown, Nick Saban, Les Miles, etc. all reel in recruits (or lose recruits) right up until National Signing Day.
So...yeah...in summary, try to be realistic.
I don't think kids shouldn't take their time and make the right decision for them or their families. I'm realistic in understanding that we win some/we lose some. I am not debating this fact. I just didn't like the way Garnett's situation played out. It's my opinion which its obvious if i disagree with "all mighty, Mangass" I get the "flamebait". Much love
Maybe it's not because you disagree with me (plenty of people do)...maybe it's just because you're judging a high school kid too harshly and being unrealistic with your expectations.
Time to focus on Diamond, Muller, Kozan or Denman.
they stated that Muller reaffirmed his commitment to Rutgers. I can't confirm, only passing along the rumor i heard.
EDIT: they claimed the info came from twitter, so take it FWIW.
Nope, this did not need another thread.
A current recruit is upset that someone that he was friends with from the camp circuit isn't going to the same school as him. News at 11.
People don't like being lied to. I'm happy that he values honesty and a mans word, I'd like to think that's the Michigan way. That's the kind of kid I'd want representing the University of Michigan.
(heavy eye roll)
If Garnett would have told a Stanford commit he was going to play with him, and then committed to Michigan, you wouldn't have given a rats ass about it. This is a non-issue.
I don't know about you, but I'd have a problem with that. I don't think a Michigan commit should ever have to hide/mislead the fact that he's going blue.
Will Campbell called and said "whats up homeslice?"
But I don't understand how Campbell's last minute decision effects my opinion on a kid misleading about their interest in a school? I'm happy that he went blue, but I'm unhappy if he informed anyone that he was not going to go blue.
Dude, give it up. You're a little too wrapped up in this 18 year old's huge life decision. He didn't pick us, bummer.
He's not saying he's pissed Garnett didn't pick us. He's saying Pipkins has a reason to be upset if Garnett told him he'd be blue and then didn't follow up with it. And if that's the case, I don't blame Pipkins for being upset about it.
The point is Pipkins felt he was lied to. That's it!
Agree...this is such a non issue that i dont see why it needed its own thread..If they meet at the park and fist fight its worth its own thread...Pipkins feels Garnett lied to him and chose Stanford so he made a subliminal comment on Twitter ...OK
you keep using that word....I do not think it means what you think it means...
being the coolest member of MGoBlog?
interestingly, there was a panel today about michigan mba's breaking their job commitments in seemingly unprecedented numbers last year. but thanks for confirming for us that there really isn't any problem with lying.
Thanks for your opinion though.
Kidding or not, you don't need to post this on mgoboard.
Just so non-mobile users don't get confused, the post that this was in response to was removed. I don't care if people are kidding, saying ignorant/inflammatory statements about recruits is not going to be tolerated. Get a life.
(internet high five)
You must not be a Michigan Man™.
Get a life? Can't that be said for all of the grown men fawning over recruits who are 17 or 18?
I said this elsewhere, but as fans we have no right to be angry at Garnett.
Pipkins on the other hand probably was told something, and now feels, well, betrayed. We don't have that info, but if he wants to be angry, he has that personal right.
I disagree I think fans have a right to be upset and maybe even angry at Garnett if they want to expend that energy. I do think that they don't have a right to get up in his face about it though.
We may not take the field but we are invested in this sport quite a bit. That doesn't mean we should be interacting with recruits or telling them personally how we feel, but if people want to be angry let them.
The choice of a High School kid does not in-turn give fans the right to be angry at him. Disappointed he didn't pick their school? Of course. Angry or upset? Hell no, it's the kids choice and they have no right to get angry at him for it.
Any fan who is angry at Garnett for his choice simply needs to grow the fuck up.
If the AA game taught us anything... PeeWee is not someone you want mad at you.
I think the whole thing is weird - if you wanna be a Dr. you can do your undergrad at a top 25 school and be just fine. His relationship with Magnuson, chance to be part of a NC contending team soon - I don't get it. But, academics were high on his list - apparantely higher than anyone had foreseen. Seems like a nice guy though, I wish him the best.
Not trying to sound bitter, but when we're in BCS bowls each year and Stanford is playing in the Maaco Bowl against BYU, he might think twice about his choice.
Because Stanford wasn't ranked higher than us for most of the last four years? I'm confused why they are going to the Maaco Bowl anytime soon.
Probably cause they don't have Luck anymore, and Shaw isn't as good of a coach as Harbaugh. That's my guess anyway
It might be a little small, but the class of 2012 looks to be just about on par with ours.
Enough of your empirical evidence. Just agree with me that Stanford is going to suck and we're going to be awesome. Is that too much to ask? :)
Stanford doesn't even go to a bcs bowl this year if usc is off probation, they will be good for the next few years but oregon and usc will most likely be better and thats all it takes, especially when you are stanford and have no fanbase.
Not to mention schools like Washington seem to be on the rise. If they had any sort of defense they could have challenged for the pac-12 noth title.
It will be interesting to see if Mike Leach can turn the WSU program around as well.
sitting at our computers trying to convince ourselves that STANFORD isn't a perfectly great choice for a kid, football and schoolwise, after the last five years? Honestly, that's taking homerism way too far, especially when--in all these cases--we can imagine just a handful of the variables that may sway a kid (campus, friends, area, programs at school, etc). Let it go.
I can't help but think back to my days in high school and hearing about kids that got into Stanford. I chose Michigan but was nevertheless impressed by those kids. Not only does Garnett get to go to Stanford but he's also going to be playing football there. Pretty damn impressive, if you ask me. No harm, no foul, young man.
I can't vote yet, but +1 to you. It's one thing to question a kid going to a crap school that has just an OK football program *cough* most of the Big12 that isn't Texas *cough* but Stanford? As long as we're still pretending college athletics isn't professional athletics, that is about as good of a non-Michigan choice as it gets.
Luck and Harbaugh, you think they're going to the Rose Bowl? I don't think so. And, I think the Pac-10 is getting tougher. I'd be surprised if they are any better than 8-4 or 9-3 the next couple of years.
Besides, you're comparing Stanford's best years to our worst in the last 50 years.
Pretty sure Andrew Luck is going pro and Harbaugh isn't coming back. In a few years, Stanford might be back at their usual level.
Come on that last paragraph is all bitterness. I agree with the first part of the post. He values education. When I saw the Stanford medicine shirt, i felt we were going to lose.
As I posted above, with Luck gone I think it's an entirely different team.
Do you know if he wants to be a medical practicing doctor or work in research? That could make a difference with the school he chooses.
If he wants to go to a research-oriented medical school he'll have to do quite a bit of it himself in undergrad. I put in 12-20 hours with my labs, depending on what experiments were being ran that week, and I didn't even write a thesis or author a paper!
I hate to say it, but if I had to bet on his chances of becoming a researching MD, or even getting into medical school at all, or even finishing with a *BioEngineering* degree, I'd wager strongly against any of these happening.
A 3.5 from Stanford will be looked on more favorably than a 3.5 from Michigan, if MCAT scores are equal.
Some personal experience with medical school admissions & associated thinking.
Disagree. Smart people know Michigan is a great school with a very tough science curriculum. Maybe out west you would be right to a degree but people in the Midwest and East Coast definitely value a Michigan education. There's too many variables for each individual to make a claim like this.
No one is knocking a Michigan education here, but claiming that a Stanford degree sets you apart more than a Michigan degree isn't exactly rocket science. Michigan is a great school with a lot of great programs. That said 90% of Michigan students wouldn't have been given the opportunity to go to school at Stanford.
I have a University of Michigan degree (2010) which I am very proud of. It has already taken me far in terms of career opportunities. But to disagree that a Stanford degree is most likely superior, is, well, ignorant to say the least.
the difference between Michigan and Stanford over time isn't that great. It's more up to the actual individual than the school at that point. Also, if dude wants to become a doctor, it's even less relevant.
Undergrad < Med school < residency < fellowship.
Moreover, Mattison > whoever Stanford's guy is.
Thank you jblaze ^. This is what i'm talking about.
You say you're proud of your degree but it sounds like you're still undervaluing it a bit. If people can get into medical school from Oakland (and plenty do) then the name of the school must not be as important as you say. And Michigan every year is among the top few schools in the country in terms of students accepted at medical schools. I'll say it again-you can't say whether a 3.5 at one school will get you into med school over a 3.5 at another school because that's just not a realistic comparison. There are numerous other factors involved. Once you get into the top 10-15 schools in the country the differences are basically nil, because the people making the decisions realize that the differences are pretty nitpicky at that point. If Garnett really wants to go to med school he'll be able to even if he leaves stanford and goes to Concordia to be nearer a heartbroken Erik Magnuson.
I have an undergrad degree from UM and a grad degree from Stanford. I bleed maize n blue and the only time I rooted for Stanford was when they were coached by the guy who was the QB of the Wolverines when I was there.
And I live on the East Coast, so I can address your statement.
Your statement is BS.
Stanford degress is nationally, universally known as about equal to Harvard -- everywhere. UM is very good, Stanford is creme de la creme. Sorry you dont want to hear it, but its true.
Plus, if you spent any time on Stanford's campus (my dad called it Club Med U when he saw it), you'd understand. Place is uniquely special. It no knock on UM -- again, I bleed maize n blue -- but, it is what it is. Accept it.
Oh, and our football team wont be seeing them in the Rose Bowl anytime soon... unless they be buying some tickets to watch us play there.
I'm guessing your degree at either school was not English.
This just in F*ck Stanford lol... My Michigan degree has always held weight in different area codes.
M is every bit the national university Stanford is.
I have a bit of a problem with this..
Medical Schools look at GPA and MCAT scores sure.. but they also place emphasis on the fact that private schools tend to inflate GPAs. A 3.5 at a private school is not as good as it sounds.
Secondly, the GPA depends on curriculum, and also the science GPA is a better indicator of acceptance.
Finally, if Josh is planning on actually going to medical school, California is consistently one of the hardest states to get in numbers wise, and out of state admissions are near impossible.
Speaking from experience, a 3.5 from Michigan, even with a good MCAT score, isn't going to open a lot of doors at allopathic schools around the country.
It did with a 32 MCAT 11 years ago. :)
Although there are many wonderful things about having a Michigan undergrad degree, Michigan is not a great place to be a pre-med simply because there are 800 kids applying to med school from u of m every year - too many. Very hard to differentiate yourself.
On the other hand varsity football players with good grades are extremely competitive med school applicants because they have already demonstrated their ability to handle a crushing workload and the discipline it takes to succeed in med school.
In all reaity, all of the medical schools I interviewed at intimated (or outright stated) that they don't factor in the undergraduate institution at all. They said they have no ranking algorithm for schools (regardless of the fact that they could just pick up a US News and World report) and I'm inclined to believe that. Is o-chem hard as hell at UM? Yup. Is it harder at Stanford? Who the hell knows. He could have easily gone to UM and had the exact same chance of getting into any medical school as long as his MCAT and GPA were where they need to be. The only problem I can think of is if California's education system is still all jacked, which may have made it virtually impossible for him to get into STANFORD for medical school from UM. I know loads of kids who came here for med school because they couldn't get California schools.
I think people are highly underestimating the allure of living in Cali... To a 17-18 year old kid- hell even to me- the thought of living it up in Cali is hard to pass over, especially with everything else Stanford has to offer.
Growing up, my heart was always with Michigan, but Stanford was sort of a "dream" school for good reasons I believe.
Ondre has reason to be upset. I'll just leave it at that.
Do you think Garnett was disingenuous with you? And do you think he might have felt you were stalking him?
Oh please don't leave it at that. I would like to know more
I'm guessing that you know something the rest of us don't, as usual.
Aqua-are you doing the followup interview? Also, are you going to tell us about his recruitment like you said earlier, or do you have to clear it with Josh?
He's agreed to do it and I am still interested, so yes.
makes me wonder if he will still be willing to do the interview now that he is commited to Stanford.
Can you ask him how much influence his parents had on his decision. I get the feeling that they wanted him to go to Stanford.
I can't remember hearing what his parents thoughts on Michigan. And we all know how important it can be to win over the parents.
i dont know about his mom but his dad publicly said that he loved michigan and wanted to come here himself when he was being recruited out of high school. he said he wouldnt stand in josh's way like his dad did to him
i dont know about his mom but his dad publicly said that he loved michigan and wanted to come here himself when he was being recruited out of high school. he said he wouldnt stand in josh's way like his dad did to him
Ask him what his deal is!
I'd be interested in knowing if there are particular recruits he is close to at Stanford. I mean, we've all seen that he and Erik Magnuson are tight, what with twitter and him being excited at the possibility of rooming with him. Pipkins seemed like he felt betrayed which would indicate a friendship there. I guess I'm wondering if there were recruits at Stanford he's particularly tight with that were more of a draw, or if it just came down to location in the end. And does he honestly think Stanford is going to reach their previous levels w/o Harbaugh and Luck?
In a car wreck sort of way.
this feel like a high school break up? Damn, pipkins and I need to stop hanging out with people with drama.
where recruits are going to go is a mug's game. You can make educated guesses and that's about it.
I don't think he was guessing, which is why he is mad.
we still don't know exactly what he was told. If he was told he was solid, I can see why he'd be pissed. Personally, I love the fact he's pissed. Show's he cares, not only about himself, but the team.
I feel like it's pretty clear JG told Pipkins he was coming to Michigan.
I think the whole point was Pipkins and Garnett were talking to themselves and Garnett told him privately that he would be coming to Ann Arbor.
Why do you act like such an ass to the original poster of this topic and then carry on conversations all throughout it?
I'm just curious as to how that mindset works. It seems that someone would just ignore a thread and let it die if he didn't think it should be on the board.
Whether Reeves goes Blue or not, I like his style better than Garnetts. I prefer his limited comments compared to all of Garnett's pro UM tweets.
You can't blame 17 and 18 year old kids for taking advantage of the attention they are given. However, it sure makes me happier with the kids that we already have commited who didn't feel the need to make their recruitment a big deal.
My opinion, is that it's just a misunderstanding. Because from the things you read about Josh Garnett, he seems like a stand up kid that you want to see succeed. Good Luck to Josh, again, but Go Blue!
I don't blame Garnett for picking Stanford, but I love Ondre's enthusiasm and love for Michigan. This kid bleeds maize and blue. Can't wait to see him suit up for us.
Maybe I shouldn't be frustrated because we have a great class coming in even if we don't get any of the top remaining guys we have targeted. And, maybe that's the nature of dealing with 17 and 18 year old kids. But, sheesh, this process is frustrating. It seems like we would be the logical choice and/or are the front runner only to lose out on a guy. I know you can't get them all, but it has been truely frustrating to see Meyer nail down top recruit after top recruit while we haven't had a big commit in what seems like ages. Not that I expected us to get those guys, but I sure don't want them going to OSU. All that momentum we had going seems to be disapating. Heck, I already saw Adam Rittenburg, the ESPN B1G blogger staking OSU as the 2013 favorite. I'm still hopeful for our remaining targets, but from what I've read I'm finding it hard not to be frustrated by losing out on this one.
My considered opinion is that Garnett would look much better in Blue, but I hope he enjoys him college experience.
Pip really needs to watch what he says on twitter...
Meh, whatevs. We got Kalis off of OSU and maybe even Reeves. The kid wants to go to Stanford and I say best of luck. This why you concentrate your efforts in the Midwest. It is always going to be hard to pull a kid off the West Coast. We were close but distance is usually a big factor and lets face it, it is cold as hell in the winter. Now if this global warming thing kicks in I think we will start winning some of these battles.
I didnt realize that even the other schools he once considered were pretty much all west coast schools. To me, that alone shows that it would be a big deal for him to not only leave his state but come across the country. I do respect Coach Hoke and whoever else was in on recruiting this kid, as it appears they presented themselves very well and represented Michigan like true Michigan men.
True, but it's not like Palo Alto is a short drive. SFO and SJC are almost a 2 and a half hour flight from Sea-Tac.
I think time change is the bigger factor and this is just guessing. It makes it harder for their parents to make it to games especially noon starts. When you take into account time change Michigan is a pretty long flight despite the distance not being all that great.
but not jumping time zones makes it possible for weekend trips. This coming from a Michigan transplant in Oregon.
Good point. I should have thought of that myself since I'm a Michigan transplant in California.
Great point. It's not easy pulling kids from the west coast. You don't want to ignore that region, else guys like Brady, Toomer, Magnuson, Wile would not be Michigan men. However, it's a tough sale with all the good weather, good schools and the distance.
The Stanford Medicine shirt was a dead give away. If this guy manages to play major FBS football at a high level and still get into Stanford medical school, I would be impressed.
I wish I could get odds on whether he actually becomes a doctor. A lot of kids want to become a doctor, spending 7 years in school is another thing.
I'd say there's pretty decent odds....kid is clearly smart and well spoken and has the drive for it. Robert Smith retired early so he could go back.
Go back to what? ESPN?
Fair enough, he didn't actually go/finish, but he was pre-Med at OSU and sat out his sophomore year to focus on academics. Having said that, I don't think there's any reason to believe that Garnett won't go to med school...Myron Rolle quit to take the Rhodes Scholarship
During undergrad, I watched 90% of pre-meds flame out. It's not an easy road. And with God knows how many hours they spend in football related activities, I say there's a 99% chance he doesn't make it.
That could very well have been used in the recruiting process....like a "Hey, we look out for our own here. You keep the grades up, there's a good chance you'll get in"....and I personally think there's nothing wrong with that. Just saying if he had his heart set on Stanford med school, getting his foot in the door (so to speak) would be awfully tempting to pass up.
Would happen. I don't have a good vibe on Diamond. He supposedly has been a lean for a year. How long can you lean and not know for certain.
Wow this kid really fooled me! I could have sworn he was 100% Blue... Everything lined up, the visits, the in-home's, the friendship, the smiley faces, the interviews, the tweets etc.
Why is he so mad? Just tell us.
He (and others) felt like he was going blue and some may feel betrayed, though I don't know if that is the word to use.
Let's just say that Ondre is not the only 2012 commit who is "very" surprised that Garnett went to Stanford.
Cryptic Aquaman is more Crpytic than TomVH...head asplode
I guess i should have been a little more of a believer when he said he really didn't know where he was going to go. The kid had a tough choice to make and he chose what he thought was best for him. It's a little unfortunate if he lead some of our recruits to believe he was going to go blue, but we all need to act like adults(especially the twitter stalkers) and wish this kid the best of luck!
I think a lot of people got played. It just doesn't make sense for a cerebral kid like Garnett to claim he has no idea where he's going the night before an announcement date, that was picked out by his sister.
Magna-mad too Aquaman?
You said it all
If we get Diamond and/or Kozan, I honestly don't think this will turn into much of an issue. Yeah I'd like to have Garnett, but he's earned the right to make this decision, and there really was no wrong answer for him in this. Best of luck to him, until the day he lines up against Michigan.
@FilthyJeepGirl is on our side!
I will never understand recruiting. With a brand new coach and straight off of a shitty season, we reel in recruits by the pair. After an 11-2 season and a BCS win, not a peep. Just strange.
It'll be interesting to see if Magnuson tweets anything about Josh choosing Stanford.
but I was curious myself. He said something along the lines of being disappointed and that he tried his best to get Garnett to go blue and he was sorry to Michigan fans that he let them down.
this kid's attitude, Pipkins as well. Didn't let anyone down, of course. Neither did Garnett.
It's fine for Pipkins to be upset if certain things happened, they're young and it's between them. The board freakouts are silly. We've got a great class with a week to go, wish the kid well and move on
Webb said that Garnett told Ondre that he was coming to Michigan. That is where all that Kay Jeweler stuff came from.
EDIT: It's confirmed, but only half of that statement is true.
Being cryptic and saying that Ondre's Kay Jewlers tweet was not about Garnett and thus about Diamond?
I guess I'm stupid or something, but I don't get what Kay has to do with Garnett.
Garnet is the birthstone for January. My uncle owned a jewelry shop, I hung out there as a kid.
Sorry thumb accidentally hit moderate button
Given: Magnuson and Garnett are friends
GIven: Every kiss begins with Kay
Given: Ondre Pipkins tweets about Kay Jewelers
Given: Magnuson and Pipkins are disappointed in Garnett for not choosing Michigan
Conclusion: Garnett has told our current commits how badly he wants to kiss them.
May be in order. And they could be going head to head. Best of luck to Josh, though. I wouldn't want to be on Peewee's bad side.
make between Michigan and Stanford, and academics were his primary decision criteria. Every time we compare favorably with an elite academic insitution like Stanford is fine with me.
I lived in Washington for many years, kids there grow up hoping to go to University of Washington, Berkeley, or Stanford. I am thrilled that Hoke & Co. -- together with our school's amazing academic reputation-- made it a very close call for a stellar recruit from the Northwest. Good luck, Josh.
Somebody gave the right to choose where they want to be
I guess he also has the right to tell Ondre and other commits he's going to Michigan.
I would love to start a (albeit pretend these days) pos bang to celebrate you calling a surprise committment.
If he wants to play in front of 20,000 fans then that is his right. Soon enough without a Michigan Man coaching, Stanford will go back to being Stanford.
USC is coming off probation and other schools in the PAC 12 are rising quickly.
We need Diamond more than we needed Garnett. That will be the big loss if we can't get him.
So do we think Josh had a change of heart, or was he just saying he was going to Michigan for the hell of it?
Garnett is obviously a good kid with a bright future. But he definitely did play coy a little too much. I can understand why certain folks at Michigan maybe feel led on. But there's no crying in football. So let's just kick Stanford's ass next time.
Don't count on that. Stanford will not be in the RB any time soon. They were at the top of the hill they climb every couple decades. USC is back, Oregon is a powerhouse, Washington is rising. PAC12 is going to be strong.
Truly undecided or leading us all on purposefully? Either way time to move on. It will raise an eyebrow when i hear his name maybe in a few years, but that is all. Don't even care about his post announcement interview.
It's possible that when Garnett told Ondre Pipkins he was going to commit he planned on doing so, but had a change of heart.
Maybe we'll see a 'Hello' post about Chris Muller soon?
First we loose to an SEC team in B-Ball and my wife totals our only car on the same day, and now Garnett goes all mascot without an s on the end. At least he didn't join the Fighting Irishes.
We're gonna need a bigger boat
Soomebody reassure me that all is well...
lashing out at Garnett? Yes, I wanted to log on and see a Hello: Josh Garnett, but there is no need to get upset with the kid himself. I understand why some other recruits would be upset, but we as fans need to move on and wish him the best of luck. Even without him we have one of (of not the) best OL class in the nation, plus a good shot of adding two more great prospects. Let's all just take a deep breath and see what Grant, Reeves, Kozan and Diamond do.
You guys are all so upset about a HS kid not coming to Michigan, I can only imagine how you react when something really bad happens to you.
Time to move on
He was either legitimately undecided last night OR he lied about the standings (because if we knew there would be noone watching him be all center-of-attention on espn). The need to have an official espn announcement date vs him having to push the date back because he's undecided makes me want to say that he knew ahead of time and didn't want to lose all the attention. Unfortunately, we'll never know the truth behind this. This situation, however, does bring up serious questions about the kids character.
showed lots of character. I believe it is hard to turn down the west coast when that is where you are from. Some of you guys take this stuff way too personally - HE IS 18! You are starting to sound like the idiots that chased Herbstreit out of OHIO - frankly the amount of recruiting stalking that takes place anymore is getting a little creepy.
People are starting to sound like the Buckeye fans that threatened violence and even death threats against Herbstreit? Stop blowing things way out of proportion, Hugh.
A) I haven't done a single bit of recruit stalking short of checking out the occasional message that gets posted here.
B) Pointing out that there is a large chance the kid was doing this for attention and that this could bring his character into question is not the same thing as wishing a torn acl on someone. Furthermore, if you thought there was a good chance that someone you knew was lying to you over something petty, well wouldn't you question their character?
C) It turns out he did lie.... so..... just wanted to point that out to ya.
Seriously? There's no reason whatsoever to question the kid's character. He was having fun with a once-in-many-lifetimes process. Not all "lies" are created equal, you know.
No, but they are all still lies. You are either a liar or you arent.
Let me ask you something. Have you ever farted and then denied it was you? Have you ever told a telemarketer that you weren't home? Have you told someone carrying a petition that you didn't have time when you could have spared a few minutes?
By your standard, a "yes" to any of these questions would seem to make you a liar for life.
Best of luck to him. Now go and beat ND every year
Agree! Let's move on. He alone was not the difference between an ok season and a National championship! Good luck to him. We are still in great shape! Go Blue!!!!
I am bummed he's not coming but the pissed off people in this room need to let go. That's between pipkins and him. None of our business. We rip on Ohio fans for acting this way but when we don't get our way we resort with similar reactions( minus wishing harm on the guy). This makes me very disappointed.
Good luck Josh.
Where in this thread have you seen people wishing him to tear his ACL? Or get a concussioin? People are disappointed and angry because of all the pro-UM stuff he's been saying, but nobody here is taking it personally. Pretty much every post has been "This sucks, but oh well. Good Luck at Stanford"
Only mature thing to do here is wish the kid good luck and move on. Remember the kid is 17-18 years old and has a twin sister who will be near him. Family comes first. Good for Garnett that he decided to be around his sister. Good luck Joshua, hopefully we'll see you in Pasedena.
He's only a 17 year old kid. He made an important decision and he won't be attending Michigan. It happens. We can wish him well and look forward to closing out our '12 class with players who want to be michigan men and having a great season next year
I believe thats how it went,,,,, quite sure it didnt go the recruit, the recruit, the recruit. Move on. We are pretty, we dont need to be told.
I think people should go through a couple of recruiting seasons before being allowed to post on mgoblog. This isn't the first time a recruit went somewhere else, it won't be the last.
I can't imagine ever faulting a kid for going to Stanford.
Hell, I think we might need a minor league / farm system around here. Demonstrate there that you can contribute and we'll pull you up to the big leagues.
I might deserve that, but since I've already been accused, I'll make a broader point.
I think a couple of years ago, there were a few different places to go to read and chat about Michigan sports. That structure served the purpose of letting people sort themselves into the online community that best fit them and the writer who most impressed them. Now, Brian and co. have done such a great job around here that this is where virtually everyone goes for Michigan sports. In a lot of ways, that's great. The downside is that the distinction between MGoBlog and, say, Mlive, as an online community has blurred.
That might be arrogant, and if it offends I'm sorry, but it has been a noticeable, depressing trend to me.
Mr. Mario, please pass 10th grade english before you post again.
who makes Ondre mad....grrrrr >=(
That being said, all the best to Josh. It sounds like it was close and I can't really blame him for picking Stanford. He sounds like a good kid and only wish him the best.
all the Bo quotes on Pee Wee's page.
I'm sure Ondre has a good reason to be upset. As a fan, I'm pretty disappointed and I had no "inside" information like Ondre may have had. Garnett did numerous pro-UM interviews and made multiple comments that inferred he was leaning towards UM, that we know. Most of the people that followed his recruitment and waited patiently for him to announce are UM fans. So building up a bunch of suspense among UM fans and then announcing Stanford stings a bit. I'll reserve my wishes of good luck for those in Maize & Blue.
For some reason I don't think this is a done deal..But if it is, good luck.
None of us have any right to be angry at the kid, we never said UM was his leader, we said that ourselves. Pipkins on the other hand has a legitimate reason to be if GArnett told him that he was coming here and now isn't. I wonder what Magnuson's reaction was seeing their back and forth tweets.
I love OP's passion for Michigan. This kid will do great things, and become a leader for us on d-fense.
He basically insulted Michigan's academics by having a Stanford Medicine and Michigan Football shirt as his options.
While Michigan is a great football school, we are first and foremost a world class academic institution. His shirts implied that he would go to Michigan only for football, and Stanford mostly for academics. That is low and aside from Ohio, he is my enemy #1.
Stop acting like Ohio fans mgobloggers.
I'm from Oregon and went to Michigan for undergrad. When you think elite academics on the West Coast, it's pretty much Stanford and UC-Berkeley. Michigan is a great school, a Public Ivy, but still a state school. An M degree plays very well in New York or Chicago, but out West, a Stanford degree is just as impressive as one from Harvard.
I hope you are kidding, because I missed the s/ tag. I seriously hope you are joking.
no /s tag...Neg away...
The shirts were not M Football and S Football, and that's the insult. If he choose Stanford because of fit/ closeness to home... whatever, but it's a criticism of M's academics and ability to send students to an awesome grad school
M academics > M football.
Yeah I'm not sure he intended it as a shot at Michigan's academics, but to not put football on both shirts or academics on both shirts was the issue.
I didnt neg you. I thought you were a bit harsh with enemy number 1. i dont think he meant it as an insult. Most people dont understand how hard Michigan is until they get in. I am from NYC and trust me, i wasnt prepared for how hard it is when you get in. Michigan wasnt my first choice.
From his interviews, i had my worries about what he thought of our education level. I also think he knew how good we were academically. he didnt eliminate us because educationally, we are top ranked. Its not like you saw Bama shirt up there.
His shirts were Stanford Medicine and Michigan Football.
To hell with anyone who does not respect our academics more so than someone who doesn;t respect our football team.
When he said he wanted to go play at a school with nice weather I started getting worried. Stanford is beautiful and so are the chicas.
Wow. You'd think people would rather just let it go and move on, than end up on an 11 Warrior or RCMB thread as a reverse case of schadenfreude. Not that it has, but our reaction to situations like this can provide them with ammo.
PeeWee following in the footsteps of his Mentor Lamarr Woodley...Another mean S.O.B.! Can't wait...
Hard to get mad and fault a kid for choosing Stanford. He is one of the few recruits who said academics is a big part of his decision, and you can see that's true from his final three schools. Best of luck to him and his endeavors. Let's all be adults, move on, and focus on the good recruiting class we have so far. We'll add a few more good pieces. Go Blue!
Good luck to Josh Garnett in all of his pursuits, would've been great to see him and Magnusson knocking fools around, but he made his choice and we can either be happy for the kid or act like classless Buckeye fans ala Kyle Kalis.
We shouldn't be classless Buckeye fans. Death threats and ill-wishes have no place here.
I just disagree that the way Kalis handled his recruitment was the same, however. Kalis may have played it close at some points, but he was always honest. Garnett messed around a great deal more, I think.
We still have a good shot with Armani Reeves and Diamond. Can't win all the battles.
I won't ever fault a kid for choosing a school like Stanford. That being said, I hope Ondre gets plenty of chances during his careee to tweet something to Garnett from the Rose Bowl while Garnett is sitting in his dorm room.
FWIW Magnuson apologized to UM fans on twitter for not being able to get Garnett to Go Blue and additionally I hope O.P. and the rest of this class are classy enough not to stoop to gloating to Garnett if Stanford isn't as successful as it's been in the past while he's there. The kid went to Stanford for an EDUCATION, which is what all of these kids come to school for.
Pretty sure there are a lot of kids that use college as a stepping stone to the NFL and choose their schools accordingly. If this wasn't a truth you wouldn't hear about kids taking scheme, position, and early playing time into consideration.
Would have liked to see him Go Blue, but can't deny that Stanford is an elite university with great weather and a good football program. It ain't Michigan, but it it's still a good choice.
Ondre just asked publicly why did he tell him he was going blue and then not? What happened
This guy has got confidence, love it
omg thanks for being you!
(yes. I saw your tweet@Ondre Pipkins)
I, for one, will not be a big fan of his going forth. I'm above wishing him harm and what he does at Stanford matters very little to me, but losing out on him (if PeeWee's indications are true) reminds me of the "respecr for the program" considerations that made me less upset when Pharaoh Brown was removed after visiting Oregon.
Good for Ondre!
Well that sums it up.
If he wanted my well-wishes, he would have gone to Michigan. I'm sure kids know when they pick one school that they are letting down other fan bases. He doesn't need me to wish him well. He has Stanford fans to do that now. Personally, I'd love to see him flop. I root against kids that don't pick M. Dee Hart, please join Garnett in flopdome.
You can say: "It's just a game." Yes, yes it is. Which is why it shouldn't be so bad that I wish a lack of success in the game on the kid.
You can say: "He's just a kid." Meh, he can buy ciggs and fight for the country. These young men choose the spotlight for better and worse.
I don't wish him any serious harm or an unproductive future. But I do wish him a lack of production on the football field. I'm sure his Stanford degree will open doors either way.
I completely agree with this. It's a completely unpopular sentiment around here, because for whatever reason MGoBlog has decided it needs to go overboard in being the bigger person. I don't want to be the OSU or MSU fan that hopes for torn ACLs or arrests or personal failures, but if a kid doesn't pick my school I hope he sucks at football, plain and simple.
He can be a great kid and he can go on to become a great physician or whatever else he decides to do with his lige, but I hope he sucks at playing football for spurning us. As a fan I believe every kid we want should pick us, and if he doesn't - that's his decision - but I hope the rest of his football career sucks really hard and I don't feel bad about that.
I will never with phyical or emotional harm on a kid, and I will never wish ill on his 'real" life, i.e. his academics or professional success. If Josh Garnett picked Stanford over Michigan because of the academics, well I still think that's a load of bull, but that's all right, I hope he gets great grades. But from a football stand point, I can't say the same, and that doesn't make me a bad person or an asshole fan.
Lastly, I think all the interviews and tweets he sent that were M related now seem tainted in my eyes. I didn't think he was one of the attention craved kids at the time because I truly thought he wanted to come here. Now it looks like that was him pandering to the one finalist he had that actually has football fans.
So, Josh Garnett, I'm sorry you picked Stanford over Michigan, but if somehow our teams see each other on the field, I hope Ondre Pipkins eats you for lunch, in a terrible and embarassing way.
Well said. And I guess I got downvoted but whatever I agree with you.
Sometimes this board can go a little overboard with the "we are classier than thou OSU and MSU" schtick. It really comes off more and more as insecurity rather than confidence. If Michigan Men are the leaders and best we need not be reminded why we're not Sparty or OSU constantly, unless some of you are unsure.
All in all it's funny the same people that can disrespect a man's funeral can post in this thread and say we must wish this kid well. Only on the internets...
Kid has been outed as a liar. Coincidentally, same kid probably won't get to be in the ESPN spotlight if he isn't lying.
I seem to agree with you guys, I see no point or desire in wishing him well. I certainly wish this young man no harm, but I'm definitely going to laugh real hard every time Pipkins runs Garnet over in the Rose Bowl (assuming Stanford doesnt take the much predicted dive to mediocrity).
Of you well said.
Then came the last few years. I'm so over that. I think he made the wrong decision. I hope his quarterback spends a lot of time on his back.
Lige - typo, or Freudian slip?
Hoping for him to have a bad carer is essentially hoping for him to have emotional turmoil. A kid with this kind of size, talent, and recruiting hype undoubtedly realizes there's a chance for him to make it to the NFL and make millions of dollars. If he doesn't achieve that or if he doesn't even become a good college player, he's almost certainly going to be very frustrated and perhaps depressed about how his football career pans out.
Personally, I hope he has a good career and finds success in football. But if Michigan meets Stanford in the Rose Bowl, then I obviously hope Michigan wins.
i wish them well and hope they have success. unless they play us. cause anything do doesn't effect issue. unless they play us. but i hope we meet them in the rose bowl and pip smashes him.
Ondre asked shittu to direct message him. Hm is he recruiting him? I sure hope so
Admittedly I'm disappointed, though I'm certainly trying to not get too worked up about the college decision of a 17- or 18-year-old guy. He's going to Stanford, so I'm moving on, wishing him well, and hoping for the best with Diamond, Grant, Kozan, and Reeves.
That being said, with all this talk comparing the academics of these schools, I think it's about time we make some T-shirts saying "STANFORD: THE MICHIGAN OF THE WEST"!
See my post in the Garnett decision post. They must be the Michigan of the west. Except Stanford has a top flight school nearby in Berkely and we dominate a stretch of land from A2 to Austin.
Here is my theory on what is going on with these tweets:
- Pipkins makes his tweet "Uhh ohhh we got a big commit comin in jus call me kay jewlwers hint hint" which actually refers to Jordan Diamond.
- His tweet is a little too obvious so Diamond is not happy about it. Pipkins really shouldn't have revealed JD's comittment.
- Pipkins uses the Garnett decision to throw us off the trail about Diamond, and in the process repair his relationship with JD. By seeming upset at Garnett, who he never thought was comitting, he given JD back his cover.
Pee Wee knows that a Garnett stone can be bought at Kay Jewelers, like the majority of Americans.
All I know is that out of all the recruits I'm excited for, Ondre Pipkins is probably at the top of the list.
kalis and pip are tied in my book.
I realize this is a thread about the Garnett decision (and misleading statements, &c.), but I hope we keep the above thought in mind. Pipkins is an awesome recruit that the staff snagged from Missouri. He does brazen and hilarious Hoke impressions. He has gals named @FilthyJeepGirl on Tiwtter asking him about Michigan football.
In sum, Michigan has a hilarious, 5-star, ladies man recruit from out of state. I'm so pumped, and it's 2 AM.
We're really reaching if we offer Gibbs.
I love ondre's passion so far and all of his posts show how much he is diving into our tradition. With that said, hes gotta cool it once in a while. Enthusiasm is great, but twitter while helpful at times, isnt the place to always spew unfiltered ramblings.. ala Yuri!
Speaking of that I believe we need to organize some type of misnomer using the word Yuri in relation to someone fucking up on social media.
You've been Yuri'd.... white bitches
@IamJoshG Joshua Garnett
Best of luck to him in life on the field and off of it.