Ondre Pipkins is upset with Josh Garnett
According to Ondre Pipkins Twitter, he's pretty upset with Josh Garnett this evening. He feels he was lied to, and that is pretty much a direct quote. Obviously we don't know what was said to Ondre, but we can guess he thought it meant Garnett was definitely blue.
https://twitter.com/#!/PeeWee9456
Note: I thought this deserved a thread of its own, because the Garnett thread was getting quite long.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:05 PM ^
I said this elsewhere, but as fans we have no right to be angry at Garnett.
Pipkins on the other hand probably was told something, and now feels, well, betrayed. We don't have that info, but if he wants to be angry, he has that personal right.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:02 PM ^
January 26th, 2012 at 8:41 PM ^
The choice of a High School kid does not in-turn give fans the right to be angry at him. Disappointed he didn't pick their school? Of course. Angry or upset? Hell no, it's the kids choice and they have no right to get angry at him for it.
Any fan who is angry at Garnett for his choice simply needs to grow the fuck up.
January 26th, 2012 at 11:13 PM ^
I just understand why Pipkiins is mad at him for choosing Stanford.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:06 PM ^
If the AA game taught us anything... PeeWee is not someone you want mad at you.
I think the whole thing is weird - if you wanna be a Dr. you can do your undergrad at a top 25 school and be just fine. His relationship with Magnuson, chance to be part of a NC contending team soon - I don't get it. But, academics were high on his list - apparantely higher than anyone had foreseen. Seems like a nice guy though, I wish him the best.
Not trying to sound bitter, but when we're in BCS bowls each year and Stanford is playing in the Maaco Bowl against BYU, he might think twice about his choice.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:09 PM ^
Because Stanford wasn't ranked higher than us for most of the last four years? I'm confused why they are going to the Maaco Bowl anytime soon.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:14 PM ^
Probably cause they don't have Luck anymore, and Shaw isn't as good of a coach as Harbaugh. That's my guess anyway
January 26th, 2012 at 7:18 PM ^
It might be a little small, but the class of 2012 looks to be just about on par with ours.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/stanford/football/recruiting/commitments/2012
January 26th, 2012 at 7:31 PM ^
Enough of your empirical evidence. Just agree with me that Stanford is going to suck and we're going to be awesome. Is that too much to ask? :)
January 26th, 2012 at 7:32 PM ^
Stanford doesn't even go to a bcs bowl this year if usc is off probation, they will be good for the next few years but oregon and usc will most likely be better and thats all it takes, especially when you are stanford and have no fanbase.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:49 PM ^
Not to mention schools like Washington seem to be on the rise. If they had any sort of defense they could have challenged for the pac-12 noth title.
It will be interesting to see if Mike Leach can turn the WSU program around as well.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:02 PM ^
sitting at our computers trying to convince ourselves that STANFORD isn't a perfectly great choice for a kid, football and schoolwise, after the last five years? Honestly, that's taking homerism way too far, especially when--in all these cases--we can imagine just a handful of the variables that may sway a kid (campus, friends, area, programs at school, etc). Let it go.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:51 PM ^
I can't help but think back to my days in high school and hearing about kids that got into Stanford. I chose Michigan but was nevertheless impressed by those kids. Not only does Garnett get to go to Stanford but he's also going to be playing football there. Pretty damn impressive, if you ask me. No harm, no foul, young man.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:04 AM ^
I can't vote yet, but +1 to you. It's one thing to question a kid going to a crap school that has just an OK football program *cough* most of the Big12 that isn't Texas *cough* but Stanford? As long as we're still pretending college athletics isn't professional athletics, that is about as good of a non-Michigan choice as it gets.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:14 PM ^
Luck and Harbaugh, you think they're going to the Rose Bowl? I don't think so. And, I think the Pac-10 is getting tougher. I'd be surprised if they are any better than 8-4 or 9-3 the next couple of years.
Besides, you're comparing Stanford's best years to our worst in the last 50 years.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:15 PM ^
Pretty sure Andrew Luck is going pro and Harbaugh isn't coming back. In a few years, Stanford might be back at their usual level.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:10 PM ^
Come on that last paragraph is all bitterness. I agree with the first part of the post. He values education. When I saw the Stanford medicine shirt, i felt we were going to lose.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:15 PM ^
As I posted above, with Luck gone I think it's an entirely different team.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:17 PM ^
Hey, I am with you. Michigan should go to a better bowl, but I think they will do better than the MAACO bowl.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:19 PM ^
You're probably right - thats the 50% bitterness part :P
January 26th, 2012 at 7:14 PM ^
Do you know if he wants to be a medical practicing doctor or work in research? That could make a difference with the school he chooses.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:12 PM ^
If he wants to go to a research-oriented medical school he'll have to do quite a bit of it himself in undergrad. I put in 12-20 hours with my labs, depending on what experiments were being ran that week, and I didn't even write a thesis or author a paper!
I hate to say it, but if I had to bet on his chances of becoming a researching MD, or even getting into medical school at all, or even finishing with a *BioEngineering* degree, I'd wager strongly against any of these happening.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:24 PM ^
A 3.5 from Stanford will be looked on more favorably than a 3.5 from Michigan, if MCAT scores are equal.
Some personal experience with medical school admissions & associated thinking.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:08 PM ^
Disagree. Smart people know Michigan is a great school with a very tough science curriculum. Maybe out west you would be right to a degree but people in the Midwest and East Coast definitely value a Michigan education. There's too many variables for each individual to make a claim like this.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:55 PM ^
No one is knocking a Michigan education here, but claiming that a Stanford degree sets you apart more than a Michigan degree isn't exactly rocket science. Michigan is a great school with a lot of great programs. That said 90% of Michigan students wouldn't have been given the opportunity to go to school at Stanford.
I have a University of Michigan degree (2010) which I am very proud of. It has already taken me far in terms of career opportunities. But to disagree that a Stanford degree is most likely superior, is, well, ignorant to say the least.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:30 PM ^
the difference between Michigan and Stanford over time isn't that great. It's more up to the actual individual than the school at that point. Also, if dude wants to become a doctor, it's even less relevant.
Undergrad < Med school < residency < fellowship.
Moreover, Mattison > whoever Stanford's guy is.
January 26th, 2012 at 11:04 PM ^
Thank you jblaze ^. This is what i'm talking about.
You say you're proud of your degree but it sounds like you're still undervaluing it a bit. If people can get into medical school from Oakland (and plenty do) then the name of the school must not be as important as you say. And Michigan every year is among the top few schools in the country in terms of students accepted at medical schools. I'll say it again-you can't say whether a 3.5 at one school will get you into med school over a 3.5 at another school because that's just not a realistic comparison. There are numerous other factors involved. Once you get into the top 10-15 schools in the country the differences are basically nil, because the people making the decisions realize that the differences are pretty nitpicky at that point. If Garnett really wants to go to med school he'll be able to even if he leaves stanford and goes to Concordia to be nearer a heartbroken Erik Magnuson.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:49 PM ^
I have an undergrad degree from UM and a grad degree from Stanford. I bleed maize n blue and the only time I rooted for Stanford was when they were coached by the guy who was the QB of the Wolverines when I was there.
And I live on the East Coast, so I can address your statement.
Your statement is BS.
Stanford degress is nationally, universally known as about equal to Harvard -- everywhere. UM is very good, Stanford is creme de la creme. Sorry you dont want to hear it, but its true.
Plus, if you spent any time on Stanford's campus (my dad called it Club Med U when he saw it), you'd understand. Place is uniquely special. It no knock on UM -- again, I bleed maize n blue -- but, it is what it is. Accept it.
Oh, and our football team wont be seeing them in the Rose Bowl anytime soon... unless they be buying some tickets to watch us play there.
January 26th, 2012 at 11:56 PM ^
I'm guessing your degree at either school was not English.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:09 AM ^
This just in F*ck Stanford lol... My Michigan degree has always held weight in different area codes.
M is every bit the national university Stanford is.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:29 PM ^
I have a bit of a problem with this..
Medical Schools look at GPA and MCAT scores sure.. but they also place emphasis on the fact that private schools tend to inflate GPAs. A 3.5 at a private school is not as good as it sounds.
Secondly, the GPA depends on curriculum, and also the science GPA is a better indicator of acceptance.
Finally, if Josh is planning on actually going to medical school, California is consistently one of the hardest states to get in numbers wise, and out of state admissions are near impossible.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:45 PM ^
Speaking from experience, a 3.5 from Michigan, even with a good MCAT score, isn't going to open a lot of doors at allopathic schools around the country.
January 26th, 2012 at 10:58 PM ^
It did with a 32 MCAT 11 years ago. :)
January 26th, 2012 at 8:58 PM ^
Although there are many wonderful things about having a Michigan undergrad degree, Michigan is not a great place to be a pre-med simply because there are 800 kids applying to med school from u of m every year - too many. Very hard to differentiate yourself.
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<br>On the other hand varsity football players with good grades are extremely competitive med school applicants because they have already demonstrated their ability to handle a crushing workload and the discipline it takes to succeed in med school.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:07 PM ^
In all reaity, all of the medical schools I interviewed at intimated (or outright stated) that they don't factor in the undergraduate institution at all. They said they have no ranking algorithm for schools (regardless of the fact that they could just pick up a US News and World report) and I'm inclined to believe that. Is o-chem hard as hell at UM? Yup. Is it harder at Stanford? Who the hell knows. He could have easily gone to UM and had the exact same chance of getting into any medical school as long as his MCAT and GPA were where they need to be. The only problem I can think of is if California's education system is still all jacked, which may have made it virtually impossible for him to get into STANFORD for medical school from UM. I know loads of kids who came here for med school because they couldn't get California schools.
January 26th, 2012 at 11:03 PM ^
I think people are highly underestimating the allure of living in Cali... To a 17-18 year old kid- hell even to me- the thought of living it up in Cali is hard to pass over, especially with everything else Stanford has to offer.
Growing up, my heart was always with Michigan, but Stanford was sort of a "dream" school for good reasons I believe.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:06 PM ^
Ondre has reason to be upset. I'll just leave it at that.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:10 PM ^
Do you think Garnett was disingenuous with you? And do you think he might have felt you were stalking him?
January 26th, 2012 at 7:10 PM ^
Oh please don't leave it at that. I would like to know more
January 26th, 2012 at 7:10 PM ^
I'm guessing that you know something the rest of us don't, as usual.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:25 PM ^
Aqua-are you doing the followup interview? Also, are you going to tell us about his recruitment like you said earlier, or do you have to clear it with Josh?
January 26th, 2012 at 7:30 PM ^
He's agreed to do it and I am still interested, so yes.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:32 PM ^
makes me wonder if he will still be willing to do the interview now that he is commited to Stanford.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:41 PM ^
Can you ask him how much influence his parents had on his decision. I get the feeling that they wanted him to go to Stanford.
I can't remember hearing what his parents thoughts on Michigan. And we all know how important it can be to win over the parents.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:02 PM ^
i dont know about his mom but his dad publicly said that he loved michigan and wanted to come here himself when he was being recruited out of high school. he said he wouldnt stand in josh's way like his dad did to him
January 26th, 2012 at 8:02 PM ^
i dont know about his mom but his dad publicly said that he loved michigan and wanted to come here himself when he was being recruited out of high school. he said he wouldnt stand in josh's way like his dad did to him
January 26th, 2012 at 9:06 PM ^
Ask him what his deal is!