I don't know about you, but I read more into "I love the coaches" more than just about Neuheisel.
Olaniyan to UCLA. Can you say "Chuck Bullough?"
thought he was interested in academics? Duke, Michigan.......UCLA?
UCLA is a good school -- better than Michigan in some things.
ucla is next to impossible to get into outside of the state and even if you're a california resident it is extremely hard to get into. Like the others have already mentioned but i'll say it again, UCLA is an incredible school. So yeah, it's right there with Duke and Michigan.
Lol.. This is the sort of comment that makes outsiders say that we're a bunch of arrogant pricks. Yes, UCLA is as good as Michigan. It is actually better than Michigan if you want to major in anything outside of engi/business or anthropology.
is UCLA not a good school?
Not trying to say UCLA is some community college, just saying I wouldn't put it up there with the likes of Michigan and Duke when I first think of academics, and when I think of academics out west I think of Stanford.
I would put UCLA's academics right up there with Michigan. Also don't forget about UC, Berkeley. Stanford and Berkeley are both great schools.
USNWR ranked #24 for undergrad. Stanford is #4 and Berkeley is #21. UM #27, also behind #25 UVA.
If you want something less hacky than USNWR...
World University Rankings
However you slice it, UCLA is an excellent school.
Get that weak shit outta here.
Michigan is the best at everything! Bo said so!
The only reason anyone puts any stock into those world university rankings is because they put us so high, they're no more credible than the USNWR. Trying to rank universities is a fool's errand, meaningful only to those who need to lord their degree over someone else.
I think you made quite a statement right there. They are no more credible than USNWR rankings. Who's to say that USNWR is fair and even in their rankings. There have been some knocks against them for the way they rank colleges as being questionable in the past few years. I'm not going to provide links because 1) I don't have any off hand and 2)I have to get to the hospital and don't have time.
But I do recall a few discussions (most likely on here) that have questioned them.
Yes, people on here love to question them because once upon a time they had us as a top 10 university but now we consistently fall.
Why does it matter what school is best according to some arbitrary criteria? College is what you make it, Michigan alums drive trucks and Saginaw Valley State grads work in boardrooms.
Agree that it's mostly a fool's errand.
To me, program-based rankings make more sense that school-wide rankings, because they tend to be more apples-to-apples and focused on scholarship and intellectual capital.
Professional program rankings (like Businessweek and WSJ rankings of MBA programs) take those items and add output metrics, like employer satisfaction with those they hire from each school.
USNWR is known for input-based metrics, like avg SAT, incoming GPA and yield, which always puts smaller, choosier schools in front of more inclusive, larger public schools like Berkeley, UCLA, UVA and UM, with little regard for the academic quality of the school or its intellectual capital. Not to say Wash U in St Louis isn't a good school, but USNWR is about the only place you'll see it ranked higher than Berkeley.
USNWR is pretty widely regarded by academics as a list of the choosiest schools that get the students with the best HS academic credentials, rather than the schools that provide the best education, get published more often, and advance human knowledge. Thus, in my eyes at least, it's pretty damn hacky.
I have degrees from Michigan and Wash U. My sister has one from Berkeley and my ex has one from UCLA. So, as an expert, I'd say that the pecking order is Michigan, WashU, Berkeley, UCLA. Seriously, when you get to this level there are many more similarities than differences. There is no right answer because it's personal preference at this point.
So you came on here, clearly you don't jackshit about academic prestige or else you would have known that UCLA is routinely ranked ahead of Michigan, made a stupid comment, were told off... and then you decided to reiterate your idiotic stance?
In one post on this thread, you say that ranking universities is meaningless because it's a "fool's errand."
In another post, you say that somebody doesn't know jack shit about academic prestige because UCLA is ranked ahead of Michigan.
Those two things seem contradictory.
Are they really contradictory statements? I said the poster should have known what he was talking about, not that I found the concept of academic ratings and prestige at all valid.
Education is what you make of it. You could go to OSU and get a good education, as long as you ignore all the prostitutes and gun runners.
Prostitutes and gun runners? So, stay away from most of the girls on any campus AND stay out of church?
Nobody's a lock until signing day. I'm sure RR and crew are squeezing the hell out of the snakeoil machine and it will go into overdrive on Monday.