According to the michigan board on espn, oklahoma is pursuing jerry montgomery to fill their vacant defensive line coaching spot. Although going from Michigan to Oklahoma to take the same position seems like a step down, I could definitely see Montgomery taking an offer from Oklahoma considering Michigan basically has two other defensive line coaches with Hoke and Mattison. Going to Oklahoma would allow him to independently coach his own position group, and would likely come with a pay raise. If Dave Brandon is smart, he will counter an Oklahoma offer and lock up Montgomery, whom I believe is next in line for defensive coordinator when Mattison retires. Thoughts?
oklahoma pursuing jerry montgomery
Please don't go. Dave Brandon should pay him more to stay. This guy is a great, young coach and we need to have him.
I definitely want him to stay but most people on here bitch about ticket prices, the arms race and greed in college football. I'm for paying him. Just remember that it comes at a future cost. Keep up with the Jones.
The reason a lot of people "bitch" is because it seems that for every $100,000 DB pays a coach, he extracts $1 million from the fans and another $1 million from advertisers, usually to put their ads in obnoxious, non-traditional places. Sometimes, it seems like the guy's running a 95% profit margin on coaches. Maybe that's why people "bitch."
I think the money goes to other project besides coaches, and football is where that money comes from...example http://support.mgoblue.com/south-campus/explore/
There There are reasoIf you want to keep up with tOSU and have an elite athletic department...shut up and take the pinch to the purse. If not..."bitch away"
Sadly, I think some people on here will bitch up anything.
Posts like this are ridiculous. :)
You make it sound like Brandon is personally profiting from high ticket prices.
That is a word the Big ten needs to learn to become competitive. Fortunately, Brandon has heard of it before.
but Michigan hasn't needed to raise ticket prices to cover the costs of anything. I thought that much was obvious to all. It's certainly been discussed here ad infinitum.
Having been to Norman and lived in Oklahoma for a few months this should be a no brainer. Those who stay...
This dude coached in motherfucking Laramie, Wyoming.
I don't think he's afraid of Norman.
In motherfucking Laramie, WY. What is so bad about the "Gem City of the Plains"?
The cold keeps the riff-raff out.
I lived in Oklahoma for four years and TBH I love Ann Arbor, but if you find the right neighborhood in Norman there's not really an appreciable difference. The only thing I think would steer him to stay(all other things being equal) is he has kids and the schools in Oklahoma don't have the same reputation. You can counter the brutal Oklahoma summer with the miserable Michigan winter and the weather becomes a wash and both schools have incredible football tradition and good programs.
Basically my point boils down to this: if Oklahoma tries to pry him away.....PAY THE MAN.
Iowa connects. There are other things at work.
Those who stay WILL be champions
Comes in handy!
montgomery is probably not the next d coortinator, but i still hope they keep him around. both mallory and smith have been dcoordinators while montgomery has no experience. hopefully we dont have to think about d coordinators for a while though
and the job he has done in conjunction with Mattison, but I feel he is past his prime (age) to be tapped as the new DC if it is required within less than 3 years. I'm not endorsing Montgomery, but Smith just does not seem like a viable candidate.
EDIT: Bolden, Ross, Demens, Ryan . . . I know he's not the end all be all of our LB core, but jeez, something is going right there.
yea man i agree, definitely would rather him stay at lb coach, but just staying i highly doubt montgomery is the next d coordinator. luckily, and hopefully this is hypothetical for a while
Well, please don't let it happen... Just please don't happen, that's it.
These rumors are legitimate, at least according to OU people....he might've have even interviewed for the job, but I'm very skeptical about that. Michigan should be able to counter; I see this as asking for a pay raise (he is lowest paid on our staff).
but it certainly isn't a step up. I haven't read over any financials that I could find (maybe they are out there, but, alas, I am on my phone) so aside from that, I don't see any reason for him to make the jump.
Michigan has a long-standing tradition of hiring within. If JM wanted to move up to DC or further, it seems like a sure shot he could do so by remaining at Michigan.
Maybe my Maize and Blue glasses are glued on, so differing opinions are welcome.
Why would you not stay with the talent infusion coming? You could hav a rising stock being part of a great defense in the next couple years.
It's not really a step down, to be fair. And he'd probably get a significant pay raise. But it would definitely be no better than a lateral move. It would also be a risk without a significant upside, since he probably doesn't have as many recruiting ties in Big XII country. My guess is that Hoke matches whatever Stoops offers him and he stays in Ann Arbor.
Psst, go read the OT thread below abt LSU. Find the links abt this topic. JM was mentioned in an OU blog abt dline coaching replacements. Long list and he was nearly last almost a "oh by the way" remark.
Totally rumor and no credence. Congrats though, you will be laughed at yet again!
Gerg and his stuffed beaver would really motivate OU's line.
Well the beaver is the most diligent worker in the animal kingdom....
and tornado, etc.
Seriously, unless there is a significant pay raise, I don't see him taking the same position unless he feels he is not welcome here any more (roushar, anyone?) The truth is the opposite. He is surrounded by great Dline coaches and someday his time will come.
He was the main recruiter for all 3 current commits
I'm not sure how much we should worry. I get the professional aspect of it, wanting to have more autonomy in his position. However, financially, I don't think it'll be a problem to match whatever is offered or offer something that would get him to stay. Brandon knows the importance of good recruiting coaches and I'm pretty sure he said in the past that he is not afraid to pay assistant coaches (I can't find the quote at the moment). I'm not really worried about this to be honest.
to give this man a raise and keep him here. It will be indicative of how our program stacks up nationally (resource spending-wise) based on whether we get outbidded by OU for Jerry to go to the exact same position
He might get a small pay raise, but I'm sure we are recruiting at a much better level at the positions he coaches. If I'm him, I wouldn't leave for the same position. If our recruiting is any indication, our DL will be nasty very soon. He would have an opportunity to be a DC somewhere in the future, maybe even at Michigan.
I really want him to stay. If he leaves for Oklahoma, it means they offer more for the same spot and our brand will take a serious hit.
Among all of our coaches, he definitely is the one that best fits the "young rising star" mold. He has had success both coaching kids up and recruiting, and we should expect to see him get offers. I hope Brandon offers him a raise to keep him, because I think his recruiting ability is very important to the team.
It isn't a problem for DB to match any OU offer and I do think the upside for advancement is better at Michigan. We seem to be smarter than most BIG teams in hiring (Hoke, etc.): I hope we are smarter than UW in keeping valuable coaches/recruiters.
Will NEVER retire. Thank you. Go Blue!
Does Montgomery have any ties to Oklahoma (the school or the state)?
Whether or not he leaves, our D-Line will be just fine with Mattison at the helm. But I'm hoping he stays. Seems like a great recruiter. Brandon, better dip into those deep pockets of yours. This guy needs to stick around.
Michigan>Oklahoma nuff said
Jackie Shipp, OU's former defensive line coach who had been there since Stoops arrived in 1999, was paid 270k last year. Montgomery made 212k. Hopefully Brandon just writes him a check for the difference and sends him back out on the recruiting trail.
He's a bright young coach...unless his aspirations are to stay a DL coach, I don't see why he wouldn't go where he felt he had the best chance to advance his career.
The majority of this board made moves like this early in their career. I know I took less money for a title at a different school knowing that title would help me with the job afterwards (it did).
If this is a lateral move, sure, stay. But just because it's the same title doesn't make it a lateral move.
FYI, Hoke coaches the DTs and Montgomery coaches the DEs. I believe Mattison's focus is on SLB/WDE.
So really the SDE spot is the only position that Montgomery has on his "own"...and of course Hoke and Mattison are going to help their as well.
Maybe this is a chance to get the entire DL and more administrative duties that will help him become a Def. Coord. one day.
...I hope Montgomery does whats best for him. You're always going to lose bright young talent. That's usually a positive. So let's get off Brandon...he pays his assistants. Also we're talking about a DL coach at MICHIGAN, it's not going to be about money. They can find enough money to pay Montgomery in a desk drawer somewhere.
Even if it is a lateral move, there's benefits beyond what you listed. If he's trying to advance to a DC/HC job, it would be better for him to prove he can do a good job in situations.
I mean look at Mattison. He coached DL at 3 different smaller schools before before offered DC at Western, then he went back to coaching DL at "bigger" schools before being offered DC at Michigan
Brady Hoke's building a coaching tree is a great thing for us. It will help him recruit bright young assistants to work for us and maybe someday we hire guys back as coordinators or an eventual replacement for Hoke.
But in three years is your résumé gonna look better with an OU d line that gets shredded by the big12 offenses like wvu, Okst, Ttech, Baylor, etc or with a nice stout run stopping d line a um that gets to sink its teeth into straight ahead plodders like wisc, Iowa, MSU, and the like.
Montgomery's definitely a rising star. It helps to have a young guy like him to recruit. If you look at his bio, he went to high school in Nevada and college in Iowa, so dealing with Oklahoma weather and culture is probably not as big a stretch for him as moving to Michigan was. http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/jerry_montgomery_744092.html
As far as salary, the cost of living is lower in Oklahoma than Michigan, so if money is what would lure him, it would be tough for Michigan to keep pace, since as someone has already posted, OK was already paying most of its position coaches 20% more than Michigan pays to start with.
allows us to make room for Soup Campbell to come back. . . Hoke could coach the DL (which he loves to do anyway).
If your statement is true, where would Soup coach?
I get the impression hecklinski is a versatile coach.
Hecklinski was a RB coach prior, so you are right. Maybe coach slot receivers. I don't think he would move to the defensive side of the ball.
Hope he stays as he is apparently quite strong, but Hoke & Mattison can readily attract another rising star.
With their involvement on DL, they can also focus the hiring on a recruiting whiz instead of just a DL expert to quickly fill Jerry's recruiting responsibilities.
Michigan is a big business and makes more than enough money to pay the man or at least keep him and dont let him go unless you are positve you have somebody better to replace him.
Honestly the continuity of this coaching staff so far has been pretty impressive. For how well they have managed to turn things around (especially on defense) it shouldn't be a surprise that teams are starting to poach our assistants. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it kind of rare for a coaching staff to stay 100% intact for a full 3 years?
He's a great recruiter as well, so hopefully Brandon will lock him up
Hear former Oklahoma defensive line coach Jackie Shipp has a number of interviews. Could land an FBS spot within days… will update
2/21/13 11:47 AM
Hearing Michigan DL coach Jerry Montgomery is a guy Bob & Mike Stoops are strongly considering.... will update
2/21/13 12:31 PM
So there goes my "don't worry about it guys" statement from above. Love to hear what Hoke and Brandon are doing to keep him because I honestly believe he is one of the best coaches we have (with all due respect to the other coaches).
Maybe someone should sent him to Lloyd Carr and have him tell the story about his flirtation with an assistant job at South Bend and Bo's reaction.
With all due respect to Brady Hoke, by God he's earned it, the opportunity to latch on to that Bob Stoops coaching tree might be too attractive a move to pass up. Should be interesting to see how this shakes out.
OK has actually contacted Montgomery?
@footballscoop is wired in. If he says there's interest, there most certainly is.
Make no mistake, losing Montgomery would be a huge blow to our efforts on the recrutiing trail. He is quite possibly the single most effective recruiter on our coaching staff. We're about to find out just how important winning and remaining competitive with the rest of the top tier programs in college football is to Dave Brandon. Whatever salary that Montgomery is offered must be matched. We spend far too much on non revenue sports (indoor rowing facility) to not be willing to pay to keep our best football coaches.
I really don't get why the non-revenue sports need to suffer to make football better. The school can manage finances without our help.
A lot of money will be spent on the "non-revenue sports" in the next decade.
What I was trying to say is, if we let Montgomery leave because we refuse to pay him what OU is offering than the blame should fall on DB. In order to be an elite football program, we can't go back and pay the assistant coaches like we did during the Carr/RR era.
We need to worry about those victories on that football field. Coach Montgomery is a special link in our scheme so I'm with ya, pay the man. He does well at what he does. Obviously. Go Blue!
He be a fool to go there Oklahoma is done
If Oklahoma is done, Michigan has been a rotting corpse for decades now my friend. We'd love to have this guy though. Rumor is we'll throw 100k at him and give the entire DL.
Combine that with a %20 less cost of living over here and y'all Yanks better call up that old money.
Michigan's athletics budget SHITS on Oklahoma's.
Michigan also makes more money as an athletics department than OU does.
This is not even a discussion. Try again troll.
100k? That's cute. Jerry Montgomery made $205,000 last year, before bonuses.
UMsalary.info is the source.
Calm down Nancy. We've averaged over 10 wins a season for 13yrs now and we are a blue blood football program also.
They'll be no comparing of program dik sizes here. We're quite comfortable with ourselves down here. Now if what you say is true then you'll have no problem matching OUr offer right? So why so hostile. Is this what ppl call Michigan mad?
People speak English.
Jesus guys. His name is Landthieve. It's obviously a troll.
Sooners is the name given to settlers in the midwest of the United States who entered the Unassigned Lands in what is now the state of Oklahoma before President Grover Cleveland officially proclaimed them open to settlement on March 2, 1889 with the Indian Appropriations Act of 1889. The name derived from the "sooner clause" of the Act, which stated that anyone who entered and occupied the land prior to the opening time would be denied the right to claim land.
Educate yourselves ffs
Yeah....I mean we would be giving him a raise of 100k.
It's kinda funny some of you don't realize OU is as big as a program as Michigan. Also, here football is the priority sport. Soo....yeah. Like I said call up that old money.
May the least tightest purse strings win.