But I seriously doubt this happens.
okay, I'll take the negbang: Rodriguez to Tennessee?
If Rodriguez were "run out of town," I would be devastated. My fandom would take a huge hit. And part of me would revel in a UT-UM bowl matchup where Rodriguez just runs it up on some "Michigan Man" that the Carr Cabal has been clamoring for.
Indeed, after all the nonsense of the past couple of years, I have to admit that part of me would enjoy seeing RichRod run up the score on some shlubby "Michigan Man." Brady Hoke (bless his little Lloyd Lite heart) would work in that role.
Aside: I don't think it's just the Carr people. I believe the Les Miles Fan Club and the murkier elements (Stapleton et al., for what those rumors are worth) should be in the discussion.
And I thought this was a serious thread....
I'll admit it. I would poop in my pants a little. Perhaps followed up by a healthy man cry.
mean "nose sweat"????
would UM hire if this happens?
No, Jim Mora.
If this happens, Michigan will probably pull in Ferentz as HC.
However, I don't see it happening. Tennessee can't out-bid Michigan... unlike Tennessee, Michigan is a dream job. It's one of the few schools that any coach would look at and go "Yeah, I'd love to retire there." Notre Dame, USC, Texas, Ohio State are the others I can think of.
Tennesee is a Top Tier program almost on the level of a Michigan or OSU, IMEO.
Tennessee is a very good coaching position but its still a rung below Michigan for several reasons. Tradition, academics, not competing in a crowded SEC.
There's no doubt that most coaches out there would regard Michigan as a "dream job." But you're fooling yourself if you don't think there aren't also large numbers of coaches who would run over their own wife, children, and grandparents for a chance to coach at UT. Frankly, given the different academic standards between Ann Arbor and Knoxville that HCs have to deal with, I think there are plenty of coaches who would regard UT as a better spot than Michigan.
Can we banish this myth that we have lofty entrance standards for athletes once and for all? The only real difference between us and 95% of schools (UT included) is that it's hard for us to take JUCOs. That's it.
I don't know the specifics of any of these cases, but off the top of my head the ones in recent memory I can think of are Taylor Hill, Marcus Witherspoon who ended up at Rutgers(?), Witty, Cissoko(?), and even Slocum who may have ended up being around in 2008. I don't know if these guys could have made it in TN either, but those are a few I can think of.
Take a drive down I-75 and once you go far enough you'll find quite a few people who don't think Michigan is exactly a dream job.
You mean, once you cross the Ohio border?
No, further south. See: Glenn Edward Schembechler.
and if it did happen ferentz is not coming. he didn't want to come last time and there's no reason for him to come now. his players and school love him and he loves it there (i have that from friends who are former players).
les, nick, and bob would not becoming either and while some, in the middle of a dark dreary night of a dark and dreary coach search, thought that schiano would be an answer go d help us if they would try and pull him in.
i think brandon and martin would suck it up and go for harbaugh. i know there's plenty to not like about that, but he'd probably be the best hire available and despite what he has said he still bleeds blue. and , after all, he';s the Michigan Man (well, take away those derogatory remarks that brandon and martin would have to suck up) the others have always wanted.
I agree that Harbaugh would probably be our top candidate. After that, I would like someone like Randy Edsall or Gary Patterson who likes to focus on defense.
Harbaugh is not going to coach michigan, ever.
I hope he doesn't, as that would mean RR is successful and is here for a long time. Otherwise, I think he would be one of the first called. I don't think he was too out of line by stating the obvious...Most athletes are pushed through easier programs so they can focus on athletics. This has a lot to do with the athletes themselves, as some of them are looking for an easy way through. He was simply stating that at a great university such as UM, academics should be a priority. Yes, he runs his mouth a little too much, but he is passionate about UM and that would be great for our declining image if we were to need a coach.
Does RR think it's a dream job?
Considering the Freep jihad and "factions", I'd say that Rodriguez would call Michigan anything but a "dream job" at this point.
Tennessee would be a step down, status-wise, but it'd probably be a breath of fresh air to Rodriguez who'd be welcomed with open arms (unlike some places I know).
I really hope it's just a b.s. rumor and Rodriguez guts out an 8 win season to go to a bowl and plow a Pac-10 school in the new year...
..for the right coach. That's why, before Kiffin, they only had two coaches in around thirty years. As for the money, their stadium is one of the five which have over 100,000 seats. In addition, UT is almost the only game in town in southern Tennessee. They don't really identify much with the Memphis teams.
That being said, I can't imagine RR going there. Also, the bullshit "reporting" by mlive and the freep might actually play in UM's favor in that RR may have to work his way back to being an attractive coach in the eyes of the football world, especially administrators who make hiring decisions.
That, of course, should happen this year, but it won't happen in the next two weeks. The "bring Fulmer back" rumor makes more sense to me than anything else at this point. They "loves them some loyalty" at UT, and I would expect them to go to coaches with a previous connection to UT at this point.
This rumor helps any school Michigan is currently competing against in recruiting right now, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if the origin of this rumor was there. Regardless, there are more than a couple UM fans who actually are fervently wishing that it comes true. I'm not one of them, but what fans want or don't want is irrelevant. These days, it's naive to believe that something is literally impossible when it comes to coaching moves. Unfortunately, Magnus is right: it's not too hard to come up with some reasons why RR might find UT attractive.
Lane Kiffin went to USC why? Because in the long term money, recruiting power & several other things were a hell of a lot more attractive than staying at Tennessee. Even if LK is readily excepting the fact that USC will go on probation its still a better job than Tennessee. Because in the short term it will take awhile to build the Tenn team into something, longer than USC's probation will be that for sure. And even if he would have turned it into a good team again the SEC is a harder conference to win in. So RR is going to have legit reasons to go to Tennessee after its taken him 2 years to start building here at a better school? That just doesn't make sense at all. Even if this rumor were true and someone made that call I guarantee RR would never think twice about it. He turned down bama right????
Though Michigan may be regarded as a better school for football (and that would be debatable) I think Magnus is mainly saying that this job has been nothing but a headache for Rodriguez and very little of that has been his fault. The reasoning for a jump to UT would probably be to alleviate most of those headaches and still have a marquee college football coaching position. Make no mistake the head coach position at UT is no joke in the college football world. If UT can welcome a guy like Kiffin with open arms I doubt they would have a smear campaign even close to what has happened to Rodriguez here were he to take the job. That alone may be awfully attractive right now.
I don't think he will go because the cost of leaving outweighs the benefits, but he definitely would have some legitimate reasons to leave.
You make some good points. The only thing I can think is that it would be a headache to start over. He's two years into the process at Michigan. There have obviously been some challenges here, but I think all things considered he's had fair treatment (Freep Jihad excluded). Would it really be worth it to live through the growing pains and all the questions that come with them again?
Edit: I should specify fair treatment from the university.
UT is in worse standing with the NCAA than UM, though I don't think anyone is taking the NCAA seriously until they actually, you know, punish someone.
Also, if RichRod needs to start over with QB recruiting, that'll be another two years of head ache for him.
True, he hasn't made a smooth transition at UM. However, going forward, I think staying at UM would be much smoother than switching again. And that doesn't even take into account the fact that UM can probably beat UT in resources ($$$) etc.
This is very intriguing topic and something to really look and wonder about.
If TENN offered to buy him out and pay back the loans etc. wouldn't RR at least have to give the job a real hard look? When you look at the way RR has been treated and the pressure he is under as HC here at Michigan heading into the 2010 season, I think any rational business person would be willing to listen to what the folks in Knoxville have to say.
Just my $0.02.
I'd let go and become apathetic. Oh, and I wouldn't watch college football for a few years.
The only way I could work up the heart to care is if they hired 1 of 2 people. Ditka or God. Well... since Ditka is God, I guess there's only 1 choice then.
If RR leaves then bring on Harbaugh/Miles/Ferentz. I am a fan of the coach of Michigan comma period
EDIT: Love me some RR though.
I am all for the guy on the sideline wearing maize and blue, done.
For those wondering where this is coming from, Ninja Football claims to know someone inside TN's sports information department. I'm glad this rumor has gotten its own thread so it can hopefully be killed dead.
If nothing else, it's an interesting hypothetical. I wonder if the sky would fall to the extent we think it might. Since we essentially have two AD's right now I can't imagine they would both be out sailing at the same time so Miles would be available. Harbaugh would jump at the opportunity as well. Sure we'd lose players and lots of recruits, but I would think Tate would stick around as would many of our best offensive players. The defense would be in shambles, but what else is new? Interesting thought experiment if nothing else...
Hands off you filthy scoundrels!
It is unclear to me why we are having this discussion.
Methinks the years of pain and woe are starting to take a toll on our collective psyche.
-An observation worth what you paid for it-
something totally baseless is perfect for the Freep to go off on.
I believe the Freep would manufacture the rumor without the help of this site.
I think maybe the forum has fallen for a prank
Just my two cents.
Agreed though I wouldn't call it a total prank. It is consistent with the "declining newsprint industry" theory. Most newspapers are nearing the final phase of extinction - if there is a chance in hell someone will buy a newspaper to read something you can be damn sure that newspaper is going to print it.
I haven't. It's stupid.
A: This is the ONLY place I've read it.
B: Right now, the last thing Tennessee would do is hire a flash in the pan.
C: No way in heck Tennessee is going to pony up money for a hot guy right now.
D: Would a truly elite program even want RR right now, until he shows he can be a big winner again?
A truly elite program just hired Lane Kiffin despite a distinct lack of accomplishments in his career ever, so point D actually sounds like a yes.
Mark May said on his radio station that he had heard Rich to Tennessee. I didn't listen to the actual audio and I can't give a link cause I'm at work but google will work for those who want to hear it themselves.
This would be interesting and I guess at this point nothing is a total shock. Reasons why he wouldn't go:
- USC is a step up from TN. No one can seriously say that about MI-TN.
- RR in the past has shown no indication of being an impulsive jumper - he turned down Alabama while at WV and only left after what was apparently a major internal squabble.
You can't totally rule this out as coaches leave programs all the time for various reason.
The fatal flaw in the story was at the end. It was a nice story until they said Rita misses the warm weather. Yeah Morgantown is a freakin beach in the winter. Fail.
Rita might have been thinking the overall weather,if you care.
AA average days below 0 is three times that of Morgantown.
AA average snowfall is 43.3...Morgantowns is 28
If this helps?
Just because AA has more days below 0 and more snow doesn't mean Morgantown has warm weather.
Detroit average yearly temperature - 48 degrees
Morgantown average yearly temperature - 52 degrees
Yeah, I thought the spread worked in Michigan weather because the weather in Morgantown is bad too....that's all we've been hearing for two years.
Sports Columnist John Adams in today's Knoxville Sentinel on possible replacement HC:
The names that come to mind for me are the same ones that popped up when I thought Urban Meyer might be resigning as Florida's coach. I like Rich Rodriguez at Michigan, Bobby Petrino at Arkansas and maybe even Dan Mullen at Mississippi State.
Forget what Rodriguez has done at Michigan, where he clearly doesn't fit in.
Remember what he did at West Virginia.
You can't totally rule it out, but I like most of you (i think) believe that RRod is on the cusp of turning a major CF program back into a powerhouse. I think RR is competitive enough that he won't leave Michigan willingly unless he is forced out. He wants to win, he wants to have a national powerhouse (which i'm sure is one of the reasons he left WVU, just like Kelly leaving for ND), he wants to prove himself.
Even with the external pressure on him, I believe he wishes to continue building *this* program.
I seen that TN is looking at Will muschamp as they're first choice.
just seen that he's not interested.
not sure why i'm getting negged for this but whatever. Here is link to TN interested in Muschamp http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/8181/muschamp-at-the-top-of-vols-list
But like I said, I seen that he wasn't interested also.
RR going TN would be terrible 3 weeks before signing day. I don't think it would turn out very good for this recruiting class. Lets hope that this doesn't happen.
it's probably because you said "seen" and not "saw." otherwise you're fine.
they're/their -- but I didn't neg anybody.
EDIT. Oops; didn't see comment below.
I saw that TN is looking at Will muschamp as their first choice.
That is why you're getting negged. The average MGoUser is a grammar stickler.
can't establish the accuracy of this, however I've heard that RR has been less than pleased with the infighting, agendas, and sniping that have occurred. Then again, who wouldn't be.
But yeah, I would't be surprised in the least if he left.
From WLA Uniscorn thread:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. They're buying it....
And MJV just texted me to ask if it was real. Awesome.
Ninja Football | 01.13.10 - 12:02:32 a.m. EST | #
Definitely - MJV doesn't know how to use those newfangled texting devices
Tennessee is after the HC at Air Force or Jon Gruden. It will be one or the other.
Mike Leach hasn't been brought up at all.
would be that it would undoubtedly be portrayed in the local media that the Freep is totally vindicated in its jihad, that RR left because he knew the hammer was coming down on his malfeasance, and worst of all, Rosenberg was "right" about RR. The thought of the smug, self-satisfied smile on that insufferable little prick's face is too much to bear.
flight tracker has Rr's agent in and around the Knoxville area reacently.
Ok, if that's true... can you check Harbough's flights in and out of Detroit Airport? Just sayin.
Rich Rod hasn't exactly had a smooth ride so far at UM. Hey left Morgantown and was berated by the WV fan for being a traitor. Arrives in MI and has to deal with the old school UM fans who favor things not changing and seem to only remember 1997. Then gets stuck playing two under-prepared qbs (one could argue one of the two would never be prepared) and having a poor record in his first season. Then the practice time fallout, another disappointing season, and I'm sure there's more I've missed.
I'm no expert, but just watching Rod on the sidelines for those last few games we lost, I could tell he just looked drained. I'm not saying I wouldn't be stunned if he leaves, but if he does, he can count on the following:
1. UT fans will go crazy for him, especially having left UM to come there.
2. Because of their distaste for Kiffin, Rich Rod have deity status for a while.
3. UM fans will be sad (at least those who still supported him), but will not react like those at WV when he left, or the UT fans reacting to Kiffin.
Basically, it would shock me, but I can see Rod considering it.
I think the board's reaction is telling of a couple things (whether the rumor has legs or not)...
1) Deep down, we fear that RR is not a true fit at UM, as evidenced by the fact that you can agree that RR is a "better" fit at Tennessee, and thus, the idea of him leaving for the Vols makes a lot of sense
2) Deep down, we fear that RR is capable of leaving at the drop of a hat for better pastures, even more so considering the rough and brutal time he's had in Ann Arbor.
3) We all know that independent of RR's interest in leaving in general, or leaving for Tennessee specifically... Tennessee has most definately reached out to him because it would be a perfect fit on their end.
4) And, lastly, the inherent concern/panic that I felt (and maybe this board too) because of this baseless rumor really really really highlights how frail our program is.
The post above may not be what we want to hear, but I think it may be the most insightful board post I have read in months.
As an aside: the fact that someone gave it a -1 shows just how stupidly some people use the feature. Someone offers an informed, logical, well-considered take on a relevant topic and it gets voted down because...it didn't make you feel good?
Sadly, I agree with all of the observations in the post above. My hope is that Tennessee falls through, RR finds success in 2010 with returning QBs, that winning makes Ann Arbor friendlier than the deep south, and that they stay forever and have a Zingerman's sandwich named for Rita. But I am worried.
These points are spot on. Despite my strong desire for RR to succeed here, I have had points 1 and 2 in the back of my mind from day 1. Although I welcomed the full-scale change in Ann Arbor as a means of moving us forward, I was not a fan of the way it happened.
As the Kiffin-to-USC story unfolded, and many on this and other boards jeered, laughed, bashed, etc... all I could think about was that we have a coach right here in our back yard who could very easily do the same thing.
7 years of fandom down the drain. Might as well join the fuckin Peace Corps.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
He's from Tennessee...
Why not bring in Tressel? Im sure it would get rid of some of our problems since he has our numbers ever since he stepped in
A.)Tennessee is high in all-time wins, size of stadium, etc., all the vectors involved in being a marquee program, albeit in a scholastically sort of meh conference (Special Education Conference);
but, B.) About 60%-90% of the shit that RR has had to eat for the last two years has been because OMG HE LEFT HIS SCHOOL AND HIS PLAYERS OUT TO DRY IN ORDER TO IMPROVE HIS OWN PROSPECTS WHAT A MERCENARY SCUM and so on. Even before this year's merry-go-round got started it is obvious that he was being afflicted by a double standard applied by a MSM that respects no standards other than sheer obnoxiousness. Question: Were he to go to UT, would he suffer a Round 2 of the above noise in continued defiance of any logic or justice, or would it quietly go away now that he is only exhibit #106 of coaches-who-ditch-their-programs-on-the-turn-of-a-dime-when-opportunity-knocks? Do you think that "factionalism" at UM had anything to do with making this false double standard for RR so prominant in the national perception? Would caution bred from shitstorm #1 be a deterrent to ever changing schools again for RR?
My own opinion is that RR has quietly stepped in and been more the Michigan Man than any detractors could ever have wished for, and that this includes never leaving the Blue short of dismissal (if I'm wrong I'm wrong). He might just entertain a conversation, say, at UT, just to give the torch-and-pitchfork crowd a reminder of who they're fucking with. I suspect that leaving WV tore him up more than we suspect, and that there was stuff going on behind the scenes, and that he truly came to UM to stay. Maybe he extracts a two- or-three-year guarantee out of this mess.
Anybody heard anything or have any thoughts on the matter?
Yes. It's total bullshit.
I don't think a rumor buried on a blog is going to end up on ESPN. Maybe GBMW.
Just, no. I firmly believe that he's our guy; I believe that he is a fit for Michigan just as Michigan is a fit for him.
I see the AD giving him the time he needs, and I believe that deep down he knows he's got a good thing going here, and is right on the cusp of pulling it off.
That's just how I feel though.
This post deserves a pinkslip.
Well, first of all, I'm not the only person to bring this up. It has been brought up in other forums, newspapers, etc.
Secondly, I didn't say I believed it. I asked if it had any validity.
Third, it was being discussed elsewhere. I figured this post would focus the discussion rather than have bits and pieces all over the place.
I apologize for starting a discussion on a discussion board. Mea culpa.
You seem to be getting progressively more bitter by the day. This was a bad thread, man, and I really hope Ninja is wrong.
I'm not sure who you were talking to. First you say it was a bad thread (which sounds like it's geared toward me) and then you say you hope Ninja was wrong (which sounds like you're lending some credibility to his original statement).
So if the rumor was/is believable, then why is the fact that I started a thread about it a bad thing?
The bad thread comment was aimed at you, since you started this thread based off a rumor that Ninja posted. It could have been his buddy messing with him, it could be the WLA just seeing how far the board would run with it, I don't know. I just think it would have been much better to not create this meme to begin with. Granted, you didn't start the meme, but this here thread perpetuates it pretty severely.
The comment about you becoming more bitter is just a general observation, not necessarily regarding this thread. I don't know man, maybe I'm making too much out of it...
So...somebody else started a rumor (that admittedly might not be valid), I asked if anyone had any thoughts on the matter, and then I gave the reasons for starting the thread...
...and I'm more bitter than I used to be? I just don't really follow your logic.
I don't care about any negbanging. It doesn't bother me if people don't like the thread. But I don't understand the "bitter" comment.
What, you're not worried you may drop below 10000 points...? ;-)
The bitterness doesn't have anything to do with starting the thread per se, it's more in regards to your tone in responses recently. This just made me finally want to say something about it.
someday people will realize the "wla" is not some monolithic evil empire that approves or concocts every thing that someone who happens to post at our site does. you'd think the relative absence of the mean commie douches would have quelled the ridiculous animosity around these parts, but here it is again. save your anger for GBMW and their irrational fear of "Star War" offenses or something.
Tear down this wall?
How awesome would it be to have a laser FROM SPACE striking down opposing quarterbacks?
Even better: Giant space polar bears that shoot lasers from space.