Their defense was top 20 last year. It was their offense that sucked.
the defense is fine, it's the refs that have been screwing them!
No, the defense has been screwing themselves. The refs are just a numb hand to make it feel better.
outside your username. That was straight up funny.
Also, do you think Fickell is in danger of losing his job? You mention cleaning house farther down the thread and I can't help but think he'd be the first one to go.
You'd be correct. Urban has vowed to be "more involved in defense" this week, which spells bad news for all the coaches on that side of the ball
Yeah, I think Fickell is in the hot seat. Meyer said last night that Meyer needs to get "more involved" with the defense and "find out" what's going wrong. I can't imagine that bodes well for Fickell's continued employment. On the one hand, I feel bad for Fickell - he fell on a grenade for Ohio State last season and I would like to see him leave on his own terms, preferably to go be a head coach somewhere. On the other hand, 49 points to F***ING INDIANA?!?
that Indiana is actually one of the better teams in the B1G. I don't know how on Earth they've improved, but their performance the last two weeks indicates that they've managed it somehow.
Or maybe Ohio and MSU just aren't that good. Cal, UAB and Nebraska moved the ball regularly on Ohio as well, and Sparty is currently 4-3 with the toughest part of its schedule still to come.
Urban needs to hire that kid at mcd's that fickell got fired as his d coordinator. Lol
I am sure they have some LB depth problems. OSU has always depended on their LB's to be in the right position to make big plays. They need to get their LB's healthy before they play at Penn State and Wisky or they won't be able to even win their division this year.
Bigger steaming pile of shit...osu's defense or valverde's pitching?
Valverde's ERA in his last two outings is 47.25.
In its last two, tOSU gave up an average of 43.50 ppg.
To be fair, 7 of Indiana's points came on a pick-6. Regardless, 42 points to Indiana is still unacceptable. There need to be some serious improvements on that side of the ball soon or else Urban needs to clean house this winter.
Um, no. Did you watch the game? All 49 points came from the IU offense. The only INT thrown was in the endzone for a touchback. Although you could argue about the short field given to IU do to a punt block, OSU was the one that got a non-offensive TD with their punt block into the endzone.
Yeah, you're right. No idea what the hell I was thinking. I drank a bit last night.
Eh, don't worry about it. This fanbase went through quite a few of those after a few defensive performances a few years ago...
Can officially confirm, Valverde.
Clearly too many players are getting their priorities wrong and have been devoting their time and energies to skool and not football. They forget they "ain't there to play skool, but football." No doubt this will be a teaching point this week.
They just won a shoot out against Indiana with an offense that relies far too much on the performance of their extremely athletic dual threat QB saddled with a defense that struggles with the fundamentals. Next you'll be telling me that they hired a new hot shot head coach known for his high powered spread offensive schemes.
I'm not seeing the connection you're trying to make here...
I guess what I'm saying is that the spread will never work in the Big10.
Do you really think putting Oregon in the B1G would not work out for them? Saying the spread won't work is wishful thinking. One can have a good defense and a spread offense. In RR's last year at WV, they had a top-5 nationally D.
Except they're 7-0.
Except they won't play three 11 win teams nor three BCS teams. Who the hell can expose them except for perhaps UM and PSU?
OSU's defense has looked bad this year. But I never expected Indiana to score 49 points on them.
Indiana State's defense held the Hoosiers to 24 points. Northwestern's crappy defense held the Hoosiers to 29 points. But OSU gives up 49 to them. Impressive.
For all of last season, the Buckeye pass defense allowed teams to go 214 for 352 for 2,366 total yards, which amounts to an average of 182 yards per game, 6.7 yards per attempt and 11.0 yards per completion. This was 4th in the conference. Last year's rushing defense in Columbus allowed 479 carries for 1,840 yards, good for 3.8 yards per attempt and 5th in the Big Ten.
After six games (i.e., excluding today's performance for the moment), the passing defense has allowed teams to be 164 for 246 for 1,592 yards already, good for 265 yards per game on average and 11th in the Big Ten. The rushing defense has not lost a lot of ground really, for after six games, they have allowed 181 carries for 727 yards, which is 3.9 yards per carry and currently 6th in the conference.
Of course, once tonight's stats are officially added, some of this may change. Indiana managed to get 352 yards in the air and 129 on the ground, after all.
FWIW, Indiana won't go to a bowl or anything but they're a legit team this year. They've been a lot more competitive than one would expect, especially after losing their starting QB for the year.
But then, 49 points?
Competitive, yes. But this is a team who still barely beat Indiana State and lost at home to Ball State.
OSU giving up 49 points to them is a joke.
I don't think a team that doesn't go to a bowl can be "legit" in this day and age of 6-6 bowl teams who can play MAC teams, a service academy and Indiana State in the non-conference.
They will probably be favored in a single Big Ten game, over the steaming pile of crap that is Illinois. 1-7 in conference is not a legit team, even if they are a little feisty.
equates to them being the best Indiana football team in more than a decade
They are a disaster. They only practice tackling once or twice a week. That will not work in the Big Ten.
When I saw the Ohio score, I was thinking the same thing as the OP: sorta. Instead, though, I just decided to believe that Ohio does have the one "fatal flaw" that can keep them from going undefeated after all.
OSU's defense is clearly not as good this year. However, you have to wonder if Indiana is not a little better than we are used too. They did give MSU a run as well.
Yes, but MSU blows.
What is this Ohio defense you speak of? Seriously, I thought the D was going to hold it down during the offensive transition. Fickell should be more concerned with the fundamentals instead of mouthy pizza workers.
the most IU has scored against ohio?
Yes. In 1988, (John Cooper's first season) Indiana beat OSU 41-7. Before today, that was the most points they had ever scored on the bucks.
The previous year, IU beat OSU at the shoe 31-10.
IU scored 31 against OSU in 1989 as well in a 35-31 loss. Those were three highest scoring games for them.
After the IU loss Earl Bruce called it something like the "darkest day in Ohio State history". He was told he would be fired the Monday before the Michigan game after 3 straight losses to Iowa, Wisconsin and MSU. His players rallied around him and the snuck out of AA with a pretty improbable win.....although Michigan wasn't that great that year either.
The actual game that decided the Big Ten title that year was Indiana at MSU on Nov 14, State won going away 27-3. I remember because I was there and it was damn cold and I wasn't dressed properly.
State's D that year gave up something like 4 TD's in Big Ten play. The win over IU clinched the Rose Bowl trip, the following weeks win over hapless Wisconsin gave MSU its first outright Big Ten title in like 21 years or something. Which I believe is now their only outright title in over 45 years.
1987 game was also the last time and only time since the 1960's that Michigan lost to Indiana, 14-10 down in Bloomington. The game was played in a steady rain that turned to a driving rain and when the teams switched sides to start the 4th quarter the wind changed directions back into Michigan's face. I believe Frank Beckmen still believes it was some of the worst weather he's ever seen Michigan play in.
Hard to believe it was 25 years ago
Guess that pizza place should hire that kid back with a raise.
Start at linebacker which was the rumor yesterday?
Don't think he started. But played a lot and led them in tackles
Speaking of defense, or lack thereof, anyone else watching this Texas A&M v. LaTech game? There is still 1:46 left and it's 59-51, A&M with 1253 total yards of offense between the two teams. I see A&M is really bringing that Big12 defense to the SEC.
The lowest scoring game they've played all year was 44-38. It doesn't seem to matter who they play, both teams score. (Well, except they did hold Illinois to 24.)
A&M's played decent defense this year--19 per game in conference.
They were pretty bad, but they're playing with some new coordinators, and missing some players to injury too. I also wasn't surprised by Indiana actually fielding an offense. They got a bit of help from the Buckeyes, though.
They're scared over at Eleven Warriors. Go read their message board. After a debacle like that, Ohio fans are scared. You can't win without a defense. Their defense will not be able to stop Denard. Our offense will go wild.
On defense, I'm sure Mattison will be saving some fun stuff for Ohio's offense. I really don't think Braxton Miller will know what hit him. After the Michigan State game next week, Michigan will be able to practice like Bo had Michigan practice, spending time every single day in prep for Ohio, and holding back lots of fun surprises. When Mattison unleashes the dogs and the blitzkrieg hits, the carnage will be unreal.
Oh, and I also expect Michigan to cook up some fun stuff for Iowa. They aren't going to look past that game, not after last year. That also is a great team to have at home this year. All of a sudden, the way the schedule lays out looks pretty good.
I never thought I'd say this, but at this point, I think Michigan will win out, and end up 11 - 2 after winning the Big 10 Championship game. I can't and won't predict the Rose Bowl, but the only blemish I expect and regret is the loss in South Bend.
Braxton Miller will make it to The Game healthy. He's getting banged around a lot.
I think he's the only reason that OSU hasn't totally blown this year.
I'm sure that Mattison will definitely have something new for Miller, but Miller is really , really dangerous IMO. IDK about his decision making / reading coverages right now, but what worries me is his ability to throw deep accurately. He threw a few deep balls, very accurately today against IU.
Also Boren did play at LB but the announcer said it had something to do with a lot of injuries at LB. I'm assuming most of Ohio's LBs will be back by the end of the year.
While MSU is struggling, they're going to give us their best punch ( pun intended ).
And then Nebraska @ Nebraska, no gimme IMO, and don't look now but Northwestern is doing well.
I think this team can run the table, but I'm thinking they're going to stumble somewhere along the line.
Without Countess, our Secondary is Suspect. I don't know how seasoned Taylor will be by the end of November.
What's critical is how much pressure our DL (and LB corps) can get on Miller. If a blitzing Jake Ryan is able to break free, that can affect Miller's accuracy, and not give him the time to throw strikes downfield.
Taylor has looked fine so far. I wouldn't worry too much about the secondary.
You obviously haven't been watching the same games I have been. Raymon and the Secondary are doing just fine. The whole D is getting more confidence by the week.
Is he not tied for the team lead in interceptions? Does anyone have 2? It's Sunday and I'm too lazy to look.
Taylor and Thomas Gordon are tied for the lead with two apiece. Interceptions aren't necessarily the best way to evaluate a defensive back, though.
The secondary has looked good, but we've also played 3 horrible passing offenses, we're not going to play a team that can actually pass more than screens until Nebraska
I think you're underestimating Miller more than a little bit. He's got an uncanny ability to make people miss in close quarters, and he's big and strong enough to shrug off arm tackles. It's going to come down to tackling fundamentals and getting as many guys on him as possible. There aren't too many on our defense that Miller can't beat one-on-one, either with his juking ability or his size.
Ohio's D is terrible. If you convert a FB to LB and WITHIN A WEEK he's leading your team in tackles, your D is a tire fire.
Still, you can't take anything for granted. Ohio has athletes, and it's quite possible they will improve a lot by the time we play them. Wiscy seems to be doing exactly that, though more on O than D. Bielema deserves a lot of credit for firing his OLine coach and at least getting a shot at saving the season.
I'm actually more concerned about the Nebraska game than any other remaining on our schedule. If it were at home, I'd feel a lot more comfortable. But if Nebby wins at NU this weekend, and then we lose in Lincoln, they could walk away with the division. Even if we beat Ohio and both we and the Huskers finish with 1 conference loss, I assume they'd win the division on a head-to-head tiebreak.
Remember when Hoke told a reporter that running a spread offense is bad for your defense? I think he might be onto something. See: Oregon, WVU, OSU.
Seems the only exception to that rule might the Mattison led Florida D that dismantled OSU in the MNC and won 2 in 3 years.
defense the last couple of years, they have been in top 20-30 in scoring defense. They are currently 32nd in scoring defense, which is pretty good for a defense that is on the field as frequently as they are. I would suspect their point per possesion numbers are probally in top 15, which is probally a better metric than simply looking at PPG. There is no comparison between Oregon's D and WVU's D.
Playing good defense and running the spread are not mutually exclusive. Meyer's defenses at Florida were pretty good defenses (with the exception of that 2006 team that UM beat in the Cap One bowl). Regardless of what offense your running it still comes down to having good coaching and players executing, that doesn't change.
Cap One bowl was the 2007-2008 year.
Remember when Hoke told a reporter that running a spread offense is bad for your defense?
Actually, what Hoke said had to do with blocking - that using zone blocking exclusively on offense can leave your defense unprepared to face physical teams. He wasn't really speaking about offensive formations.
Anyone know where I can find a replay of this game? BTN2GO has it, but my provider doesn't support that.
I have yet to have the pleasure to watch the game but is Luke Fickle a GERG disciple. Nothing else makes sense.
The secondary plays instinctually and with inconsistent technique. They have made some great plays as a byproduct, but solid quarterbacks have been able to pick them apart. I don't know how well their "bad" defense plays into our hands, but I agree in that they have proven very beatable this year.
Our secondary has faced utter train wrecks for passing offense the last five games, so you have to keep that in mind (Sorry, ND fans, but Golson is not that good) OTOH we've done our part in making them utter train wrecks. Northwestern is going to test us. Not to where we're in great danger against them, but if their pass offense hums against us, Miller portends to be equally, if not more, scary.
That said... if Urban Meyer is reading this, GERG will probably take OSU-level money to leave behind his high school special teams pledges to coach defense for you guys once you drop Fickell. Just sayin'.
Now Meyer has all the excuses he needs to quietly dump Fickell, as I'm sure he wanted to do from the start.
IU had 54 pass attempts. Do you know how many sacks osu had? A big fat goose egg.
Does it have anything to do with the up-tempo nature of their offense. The OSU offense used to be more ball control and ground and pound man-ball type stuff and it relied on their defense to do the same. Is it possible that with the change in offense, just as with us, the no huddle spread forces the defense to be on the field much longer and much quicker than they had to be in the past? Just a theory...as their defense was pretty good last year.
I don't think so. OSU's time of possession last night was 37 minutes; if you look at season averages, OSU is averaging 30:09 minutes of possession per game this year compared to 30:40 per game last year, so there's no real change in how long the D is on the field.
I hope whoever they get to replace him struggles, too.
Oh, is that just too nakedly, abjectly honest? My bad.