In the last two weeks, they have given up 87 points, and a hair under 1000 yards. Is this defense regressing under Urban?
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Their defense was top 20 last year. It was their offense that sucked.
the defense is fine, it's the refs that have been screwing them!
No, the defense has been screwing themselves. The refs are just a numb hand to make it feel better.
outside your username. That was straight up funny.
Also, do you think Fickell is in danger of losing his job? You mention cleaning house farther down the thread and I can't help but think he'd be the first one to go.
You'd be correct. Urban has vowed to be "more involved in defense" this week, which spells bad news for all the coaches on that side of the ball
Yeah, I think Fickell is in the hot seat. Meyer said last night that Meyer needs to get "more involved" with the defense and "find out" what's going wrong. I can't imagine that bodes well for Fickell's continued employment. On the one hand, I feel bad for Fickell - he fell on a grenade for Ohio State last season and I would like to see him leave on his own terms, preferably to go be a head coach somewhere. On the other hand, 49 points to F***ING INDIANA?!?
that Indiana is actually one of the better teams in the B1G. I don't know how on Earth they've improved, but their performance the last two weeks indicates that they've managed it somehow.
Or maybe Ohio and MSU just aren't that good. Cal, UAB and Nebraska moved the ball regularly on Ohio as well, and Sparty is currently 4-3 with the toughest part of its schedule still to come.
Urban needs to hire that kid at mcd's that fickell got fired as his d coordinator. Lol
I am sure they have some LB depth problems. OSU has always depended on their LB's to be in the right position to make big plays. They need to get their LB's healthy before they play at Penn State and Wisky or they won't be able to even win their division this year.
Bigger steaming pile of shit...osu's defense or valverde's pitching?
Valverde's ERA in his last two outings is 47.25.
In its last two, tOSU gave up an average of 43.50 ppg.
To be fair, 7 of Indiana's points came on a pick-6. Regardless, 42 points to Indiana is still unacceptable. There need to be some serious improvements on that side of the ball soon or else Urban needs to clean house this winter.
Um, no. Did you watch the game? All 49 points came from the IU offense. The only INT thrown was in the endzone for a touchback. Although you could argue about the short field given to IU do to a punt block, OSU was the one that got a non-offensive TD with their punt block into the endzone.
Yeah, you're right. No idea what the hell I was thinking. I drank a bit last night.
Eh, don't worry about it. This fanbase went through quite a few of those after a few defensive performances a few years ago...
Can officially confirm, Valverde.
Clearly too many players are getting their priorities wrong and have been devoting their time and energies to skool and not football. They forget they "ain't there to play skool, but football." No doubt this will be a teaching point this week.
They just won a shoot out against Indiana with an offense that relies far too much on the performance of their extremely athletic dual threat QB saddled with a defense that struggles with the fundamentals. Next you'll be telling me that they hired a new hot shot head coach known for his high powered spread offensive schemes.
I'm not seeing the connection you're trying to make here...
I guess what I'm saying is that the spread will never work in the Big10.
Do you really think putting Oregon in the B1G would not work out for them? Saying the spread won't work is wishful thinking. One can have a good defense and a spread offense. In RR's last year at WV, they had a top-5 nationally D.
Except they're 7-0.
Except they won't play three 11 win teams nor three BCS teams. Who the hell can expose them except for perhaps UM and PSU?
OSU's defense has looked bad this year. But I never expected Indiana to score 49 points on them.
Indiana State's defense held the Hoosiers to 24 points. Northwestern's crappy defense held the Hoosiers to 29 points. But OSU gives up 49 to them. Impressive.
For all of last season, the Buckeye pass defense allowed teams to go 214 for 352 for 2,366 total yards, which amounts to an average of 182 yards per game, 6.7 yards per attempt and 11.0 yards per completion. This was 4th in the conference. Last year's rushing defense in Columbus allowed 479 carries for 1,840 yards, good for 3.8 yards per attempt and 5th in the Big Ten.
After six games (i.e., excluding today's performance for the moment), the passing defense has allowed teams to be 164 for 246 for 1,592 yards already, good for 265 yards per game on average and 11th in the Big Ten. The rushing defense has not lost a lot of ground really, for after six games, they have allowed 181 carries for 727 yards, which is 3.9 yards per carry and currently 6th in the conference.
Of course, once tonight's stats are officially added, some of this may change. Indiana managed to get 352 yards in the air and 129 on the ground, after all.
FWIW, Indiana won't go to a bowl or anything but they're a legit team this year. They've been a lot more competitive than one would expect, especially after losing their starting QB for the year.
But then, 49 points?
Competitive, yes. But this is a team who still barely beat Indiana State and lost at home to Ball State.
OSU giving up 49 points to them is a joke.
I don't think a team that doesn't go to a bowl can be "legit" in this day and age of 6-6 bowl teams who can play MAC teams, a service academy and Indiana State in the non-conference.
They will probably be favored in a single Big Ten game, over the steaming pile of crap that is Illinois. 1-7 in conference is not a legit team, even if they are a little feisty.
equates to them being the best Indiana football team in more than a decade
They are a disaster. They only practice tackling once or twice a week. That will not work in the Big Ten.
When I saw the Ohio score, I was thinking the same thing as the OP: sorta. Instead, though, I just decided to believe that Ohio does have the one "fatal flaw" that can keep them from going undefeated after all.
OSU's defense is clearly not as good this year. However, you have to wonder if Indiana is not a little better than we are used too. They did give MSU a run as well.
Yes, but MSU blows.
What is this Ohio defense you speak of? Seriously, I thought the D was going to hold it down during the offensive transition. Fickell should be more concerned with the fundamentals instead of mouthy pizza workers.
the most IU has scored against ohio?
Yes. In 1988, (John Cooper's first season) Indiana beat OSU 41-7. Before today, that was the most points they had ever scored on the bucks.
The previous year, IU beat OSU at the shoe 31-10.
IU scored 31 against OSU in 1989 as well in a 35-31 loss. Those were three highest scoring games for them.
After the IU loss Earl Bruce called it something like the "darkest day in Ohio State history". He was told he would be fired the Monday before the Michigan game after 3 straight losses to Iowa, Wisconsin and MSU. His players rallied around him and the snuck out of AA with a pretty improbable win.....although Michigan wasn't that great that year either.
The actual game that decided the Big Ten title that year was Indiana at MSU on Nov 14, State won going away 27-3. I remember because I was there and it was damn cold and I wasn't dressed properly.
State's D that year gave up something like 4 TD's in Big Ten play. The win over IU clinched the Rose Bowl trip, the following weeks win over hapless Wisconsin gave MSU its first outright Big Ten title in like 21 years or something. Which I believe is now their only outright title in over 45 years.
1987 game was also the last time and only time since the 1960's that Michigan lost to Indiana, 14-10 down in Bloomington. The game was played in a steady rain that turned to a driving rain and when the teams switched sides to start the 4th quarter the wind changed directions back into Michigan's face. I believe Frank Beckmen still believes it was some of the worst weather he's ever seen Michigan play in.
Hard to believe it was 25 years ago
Guess that pizza place should hire that kid back with a raise.
Start at linebacker which was the rumor yesterday?
Don't think he started. But played a lot and led them in tackles
Speaking of defense, or lack thereof, anyone else watching this Texas A&M v. LaTech game? There is still 1:46 left and it's 59-51, A&M with 1253 total yards of offense between the two teams. I see A&M is really bringing that Big12 defense to the SEC.
The lowest scoring game they've played all year was 44-38. It doesn't seem to matter who they play, both teams score. (Well, except they did hold Illinois to 24.)
A&M's played decent defense this year--19 per game in conference.
They were pretty bad, but they're playing with some new coordinators, and missing some players to injury too. I also wasn't surprised by Indiana actually fielding an offense. They got a bit of help from the Buckeyes, though.
They're scared over at Eleven Warriors. Go read their message board. After a debacle like that, Ohio fans are scared. You can't win without a defense. Their defense will not be able to stop Denard. Our offense will go wild.
On defense, I'm sure Mattison will be saving some fun stuff for Ohio's offense. I really don't think Braxton Miller will know what hit him. After the Michigan State game next week, Michigan will be able to practice like Bo had Michigan practice, spending time every single day in prep for Ohio, and holding back lots of fun surprises. When Mattison unleashes the dogs and the blitzkrieg hits, the carnage will be unreal.
Oh, and I also expect Michigan to cook up some fun stuff for Iowa. They aren't going to look past that game, not after last year. That also is a great team to have at home this year. All of a sudden, the way the schedule lays out looks pretty good.
I never thought I'd say this, but at this point, I think Michigan will win out, and end up 11 - 2 after winning the Big 10 Championship game. I can't and won't predict the Rose Bowl, but the only blemish I expect and regret is the loss in South Bend.