According to cleveland.com, Ohio's class is at their limit unless Urban does his best Saban impression in spring practice. Now, this can only help us with Reeves, but again, Meyer is from the SEC, so don't expect too much from him.
Ohio's Class is full
Meyer has a phone call scheduled with Saban for later this afternoon
The NCAA mandated 3 per year
reads (copy available here):
3. Limit total grants-in-aid in the sport of football to 82 for each of the 2012-13,
2013-14 and 2014-15 academic years. [NOTE: The institution had proposed a
reduction in the number of initial scholarships awarded in the sport of football by
a total of five spread over the 2012-13, 2013-14, and 2014-15 academic years.]
It's a hard and fast 82 each of the 3 years, not loading up with 85 the first year and then dropping to 81 and 80 the next two years.
They will find room for Reeves and Dodson.
this suddenly got incredibly interesting w/ an ohio paper calling them out. nice find OP.
i wonder if dodson, reeves, et. al realize this.
espnus talking heads last night were saying he'd probably end up there so if he can't that's goooooodd
The Scout predictions have Neal going to Arizona FWIW. And comparing the signing day predictions among ESPN,Rivals, and Scout, ESPN is laughably awful.
RODRIGUEZ UPDATE RODRIGUEZ UPDATE DIE DIE DIE!!!
There's at least one non-qualifier in his list (Roger Lewis), plus some other expected attrition (transfers, 5th year seniors, Berry, medicals, etc.).
I student taught Roger Lewis several years ago. And...yeeeeahhhhh.
Did not really oversign when he was at Florida, to the best of my knowledge. Also supposedly Richt is clean. Miles and Saban are the masters of the oversigning.
The only article on oversigning.com with an Urban Meyer tag is this one. Keep in mind one of the two cut was cut because he hit a girl, so that's a legit cut (although suspect since firing an AK-47 in downtown Gainesville just gets you in mild trouble if you're a stud).
Houston Nutt should definitely be added to your list
Petrino and Chizik do it too and both love it. They do it to park kids at JUCO.
Wasn't Nutt's biggest class at Ole Miss something like 35 signees? Crazy stuff.
and yet Ole Miss sucks
The Ole Miss situation is/was a little different than the Bama and LSU stuff people complain about. The Tide and Tigers are signing guys knowing full well that to make room for them under the 85 scholarship limit, someone currently on the team will likely have to be forced to transfer or accept the BS medical waiver.
The Rebs were signing huge classes knowing full well that half the guys in the class probably couldn't read and wouldn't be able to qualify anyway. They essentially had to sign 35 if they had any hopes of actually enrolling 25 (or fewer) guys when fall camp rolled around. Without oversigning they would have been way under the 85 scholarship limit.
I think the main reason why Meyer didn't oversign while he was at Florida is because his boss was strongly against oversigning. Both presidents at Georgia and Florida have publicly spoken out against the practice of oversigning.
It will be interesting to see what Urban does at ohio. Without pressure from his boss I get the feeling that we will see the Urban use some of the SEC tactics.
That's a good point, I guess I always thought that Urbs was against oversigning, but now that I think of it, I've never heard him speak out against it. It was always the AD. It also occurred to me that culturally, OSU seems to have a lot more in common with the SEC than the B1G, except geography I suppose. And by culturally, I mean shitty academics and a win-at-all-costs mentality
Hate on OSU all you want, but saying they have "shitty academics" that alines them more with the SEC than the Big Ten is ignorant, and undermines anything else you have to say. They are exactly middle of the road in the Big Ten in academic rankings.
The academic top half of the B1G uses "aligns," while the bottom half favors "alines."
Gambrell beat his pregnant girlfriend (allegedly).
Clarke got an OVI the night after Urban laid down ground rules like "No OVIs while you're at Ohio State." He'd already been on thin ice for the airsoft incident last fall.
I read one of there current commits is taking an offical to ohio (NTO) yeahh.. I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say it has something to do with meyer wanting his guys over the guys fickell recruited.. pure speculation though
Roger Lewis is the man you are talking about, and he will not be able to qualify academically for the Big Ten. OSU told him to go to prep school (Fork Union) for a year, with a guaranteed spot in the 2013 class. He will likely choose Ohio U. - where he will still be able to enroll even if he does not qualify for NCAA because of the laxer rules in the MAC. I can't really blame him.
He's going to start pulling scholarships, or making players lives so miserable, that they leave on their own accord.
Did anyone notice that it said Armani Reeves was visiting Ohio this weekend? That ain't good.
I read that as Stefon Diggs is visiting this weekend.
Not Reeves. It's Diggs:
Massachusetts cornerback Armani Reeves and Florida receiver Stefon Diggs, who is visiting Ohio State this weekend, are among the potential additions.
that it says FL receiver since he is from MD.
This is only necessary because Oxfordians are known for putting orange juice (i.e. marmalade) on their toast. Here the meaning is communicated either way.
You don't actually need the second comma. The meaning is the same in both sentences. You do not need the final comma in a list. Consider "I had eggs, toast, orange juice, and pineapple." You can also put "I had eggs, toast, orange juice and pineapple." Both are correct and mean the same thing.
Does anyone know Diggs' leanings? I see he's visited Auburn, Cal, Fla, and OSU.
I know OSU having the last visit could be big, but I don't think they were on his radar until Urban came to town.
Reeves is NOT. Diggs is visiting this weekend.
It is Diggs that is scheduled to visit. Not Reeves.
I'm all but certain that Berry will be gone soon, and they will most likely have a bit more attrition to free up the last few schollies. I wouldn't look too deeply into this article, Ohio is gonna make room for, "Urban's guys".
That would not be good...
It is okay. Pee Wee already knows how to force fumbles from him.
Florida was 10th in the SEC in the number of recruits they signed while Meyer was there.
You say Ohio's class is full. I say it's 0% empty.
My Ohio buddies say Urbie has the team doing workouts at 5am with trashcans set up azll over the place and he runs them until they puke. Hes trying to get kids to leave that he doesnt want.
maybe one of their VHT guys pulls a justin turner
There's no doubt he is doing this to get people to quit that aren't fully committed. But it's not like he's only forcing below average players to go through these workouts. His goal here isn't to weed out unwanted players -- it's to weed out players that aren't 110% committed to the the new system - whether they be studs or scrubs.
I'm pretty sure that has nothing to do with Diggs visiting this weekend. This of course is after years of Ohio fans complainging about Meyer's dirty recruiting after he took them to the wood shed in 2006.
I love the second part of this comment. How fun would it be to compare Ohio State's fans' views of Meyer before and after the hire?
early enrollees as 2011 commits? I thought that the article mentioned this without doing the math.
They're up against the 82 and not the yearly 25 so it doesn't matter. If you knew that and were just wondering, sorry and I don't know.
I didn't get that answer when I read the article. Thanks.
Charlie Weis was full from the pancake social with Brian Orakpo but that didnt stop him from wiping out the chinese buffet around the corner.
some of the guys on the current roster were transferring or thinking of it. My first thought was "that's normal," my second thought was "here comes the SEC style manipulation of the roster." Don't be surprised if more spaces become available if they need them. And don't be surprised if some of the generic 3 stars Fickell seemed to be recruiting decommit if they need them to.
The sketchiest thing I've heard so far is that one of the current scholarship players is Adam Griffin, considering his father, two time Heisman trophy winner Archie, is a faculty member who presumably makes enough money to afford what I would also presume would be legally discounted tutition, that they might take his scholarship away.
Hey guys, visiting OSU fan here. I read this blog every so often because my officemate is a big UM fan and he's always sending me links to this blog. As far as college sports blogs go, this is pretty high up there in quality.
Which is why I had to intervene here, so to speak, and call you guys out on this thread. I understand having a natural dislike of a rival's coach, but you guys have such blind hatred for Urban and he hasn't even had his first Spring game yet! Very likely a testament of his dominance in his two months in the recruiting battleground nationwide.
Most of you are convinced Urban is shoving kids away or doing something shady, but none of you have anything but 100% speculation that is contradicted by facts. We've had two kids get kicked off the team because they had multiple run-ins with the law (like your boy Stonum). We had two kids transfer for their own personal reasons (Cash and Durham), and those were anything but "good" transfers (if there's such a thing) for us, Cash in particular was someone who was likely to get a look this year on the field at DB.
Ohio State does NOT have a culture of over-signing. Tressel's record is clean. Nor does Urban Meyer have a record of over-signing, as some of the less homer-ish fans here have already pointed out. You guys always act like you are being reasonable and logical, but then you say argue that Meyer having tough conditioning sessions is some sneaky way to get unwanted kids to leave. Huh?
You guys are better than this. Stop worrying about what we do unless there's something to worry about, and we'll see you in November.
See, I can definitely agree with you about some of the speculation about Meyer and whatnot, but it's a big story if your school is at their scholarship limit and is still pursuing uncommitted athletes (some of which are going to come down to M/Ohio). Judging by the thought you put into your post, I'm sure you can see that we're interested in how this might be possible.
On a side note, you should have read the threads last spring when it became clear Hoke and Co. were going for a full twenty-eight member class, there was much worse being posted than the stuff being said now.
I appreciate the sentiment. But it seems like the general consensus (maybe not full) in this thread has been - Urban Meyer is not like many of the SEC coaches, don't you think?
At least that is my reading.
I think the NCAA would have something to say about that.
But judging by your level headed criticism, and use of paragraphs, I refuse to believe you're an Ohio fan.
Also, EE's count in last year's class. We will be at our max of 82 scholarship players even if they signing class is 25+ (which again if it goes over 25 it's because of the 6 EEs). But next year's class will be more like 15-17 signees, but I expect them to be 15-17 of the best recruits in the country.
Nobody's saying anything about class size, this is about the scholarship limit. Backdating doesn't do anything for the 82 limit, which still has to be reached by attrition if anyone else signs.
I think some people were confused. I know Urban and the staff know that what's going on with the 82 limit. They will be close though, that is for sure, but that is his intent. He wants to get as many of his players in here to get the team to what he wants, running his system, ASAP. Everyone already counts Berry as gone, and I've heard rumors of several other players hunting for transfers (non-spread players worried about PT, trouble makers that Urban won't put up with, friends/loyalists to the Tressel regime that is gone, etc.).
I understand the interest here and on OSU blogs, because like I said before, they are going to push it, but they have reasons and won't be doing it at the expense of anyone who wants to play and can play a la Saban's forced medical waivers, etc.
Yea, I don't think they're going to do anything shady at this point, but they definitely are pushing it, this close to signing day and everything (which could open the possibility of not so nice things happening).
On your first paragraph, we obviously know what that's like, it's just that this is all still going on. We were concerned about our class size back in the summer or so, but that's been pretty clear now for a few months. Urban is going to have a lot less time to react if things don't go as planned.
I believe FLA leads.
TO all visiting ohio fans... any state that produces a band called "the dead schembechlers" can fuck themselves right off the planet.. neg me whatever, not exactly above reproach i know but at this point im sick of being nice. Stick to that shitbag bucknuts blog... when we want your opinion, we'll give it you
Coming from the guy who earlier today had a pretty damn homophobic signature line, you're right that you're not above reproach. This post seems more fitting for M-Live or ESPN's comment sections, why not tell them that over there?
Ill be as polite as the day is long to people pal, but i can not stand hearing from people who can celebrate a state where that exists (the dead schembechlers).. really? Im passionate about my hero's.. no apologies here
People doing that =/= all people from Ohio, or even all Ohio fans. Just pointing that out, pal. This board would suffer if there were no perspectives from MSU/ND/Ohio, and none of them on this thread have given you or I any reason to think otherwise.
if you check "bo biafra" twitter.. it still says, official twitter of the lead singer of the "dead schembechlers" as of yesterday.. i know this because pat forde of yahoo retweeted him. I follow pat forde only reason it caught my eye. I was well aware of the name change, hence my outrage when i still saw that. Im not so blind that I think that other view points aren't of value, but i do not believe this board would "suffer a great deal" without them. We all know people who are fans of other schools bless their little hearts and can get enough feedback, insight whatever from them outside of this board. Apologies if my comments were construed as ignorant, but if you knew me, you would understand my sarcasm.
For the record i could care less about being on anyones good side. Just clearing the air.
Right after Bo died the band changed their name to "Bastard Sons of Woody." I believe they actually issued a public statement immediately after Bo's passing that was nothing but class and said they would have to change their name to not be disrespectful. It's okay to be passionate about your heroes but get your facts straight. It's not like they formed after he died and pissed on his grave.
formed in 1990 when Bo was still very healthy and alive. When the coach died they already had a performance scheduled that night and announced a few hours before they were immedidately dropping the band's name. They also dedicated that night's performance to "the most valiant foe that OSU has ever faced" and donated all the profits to a charity of the Schembechler family's choosing (~$6,000 to The Bo Schembechler: The Heart of a Champion Fund).
Quick, before it's too late to ever get on justingoblue's good side: ask how to embed a video!!!
I had a good laugh at this post.
Nothing to see here, people. I hate Ohio St. as much as the next guy - actually, I live in Columbus so I may hate them 0.1% more - but I very much doubt there's anything illegal here. Urban Meyer's not an idiot and isn't going to do something egregiously untoward right off the bat. He's not going out of his way to accomodate Fickell/Tressel players who he doesn't have use for, but it's a stretch to say he's going full-on Saban. (If Hoke had been in a position to show the Cissokos and Feagins the door, I for one wouldn't have batted an eye.)
That said, if I hadn't been following recruiting with some interest and I'd seen the cleveland.com headline, my eyebrows would certainly be raised - the headline was certainly phrased in a way that would invite skeptical inquiry. I didn't think there was any particular animus between Doug Lesmeris (sp?) - the beat writer of that article - and OSU like there is with a certain Mr. Hooley. Buckeye fans here - am I correct on that?
Doug is a very good beat writer - and he certainly doesn't report with scarlet and grey blinders on. He was tough, but fair, throughout the entire scandal the past year. No animosity between Doug and OSU that I know of.
That's the impression that I had. We'll trade you him for Drew Sharp and even throw in Mitch Albom as a bonus. :P
I read his stuff all the time, and while he may not wear blinders, his coverage almost always slants in ohio's favor, IMO.
They just got 5 car leases gassed up and ready to go.