Ohio vs. Michigan State

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September 24th, 2012 at 6:20 PM
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Ohio vs. Michigan State

During our bye week/wife week, Ohio is playing against Michigan State. These are our two most important opponents and rivals. I still feel numb after the tire fire in South Bend, and haven't posted in days. What can you say?

However, life goes on, so here are three simple questions:

  1. Who do you want to win:  Ohio or Michigan State?
  2. Who do you think will actually win:  Ohio or Michigan State?
  3. Who winning benefits Michigan the most: Ohio or MSU?

It is harder for me to answer these questions than usual. I have a certain malaise such that I really don't care right now. More than that, there are many and varied reasons I dislike both of them, and don't care for either to win. The bye week is good for me personally, because I don't want to watch any college football this weekend.

The answer to the questions is the same for me:  I want Ohio to win, think they will win, and if they win, it benefits Michigan because Michigan State has a loss against them, affecting who wins our division. I don't think Maxwell will perform any better against Ohio's defense than he did against ND, and I think Braxton Miller may just be good enough to score against Michigan State's defense. I do believe the matchup between Michigan State's defense and Ohio's offense (especially Braxton) is the key to the game.

"It does not matter how many times you get knocked down, but how many times you get up." Vince Lombardi

 

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September 24th, 2012 at 6:22 PM | Always (Score:1 Normal)
KaMGoBlue
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want OSU to lose.

September 24th, 2012 at 6:34 PM | Unless you care about winning (Score:5 Normal)
robmorren2
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Unless you care about winning the Big Ten, in which case you'd want state to lose.

September 24th, 2012 at 7:15 PM | Exactly. (Score:5 Normal)
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Remember how dumb we all thought Dantonio was when he refused to route for Michigan at the end of the '10 season?  We beat OSU that day and MSU goes to the Rose Bowl (with a win of their own).  

Pulling for MSU this Saturday is the same thing.  OSU is absolutely irrelevant this year when it comes to our bowl/Big Ten title aspirations.  If they go 11-0 or 4-7 going into their game with us, who cares.  We aren't getting an at-large BCS game this year, so we don't need to care about style points.  So, the Rose Bowl is the only thing that matters and we have to get to the Big Ten Title game to get there.  The biggest competition in our way is MSU.  Every loss they get from now on makes our road to Pasadena that much easier.

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September 24th, 2012 at 7:22 PM | Well siad.  I thought it was (Score:5 Normal)
M-Dog
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Well siad.  I thought it was obvious, but I guess not.  We need MSU to lose.  

Don't think of it as Ohio State winning, think of it as MSU losing.

M'Dog

September 24th, 2012 at 9:48 PM | I heard of this (Score:2 Normal)
mgoballoon
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is like kissing your sister.  I think of this a jerking to my mother's naked pic.  Its a no win really. 

September 24th, 2012 at 10:00 PM | Well I dont (Score:0 Offtopic)
September 25th, 2012 at 7:51 AM | Wait... (Score:3 Normal)
ND Sux
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you have a naked pic of your mother? 

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September 24th, 2012 at 7:28 PM | I understand the sentiment (Score:2)
Club2230
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An objective analysis will lead to rooting for OSU, but being a fan is not about being objective.  If you really hate OSU the most then it is near impossible to root for them no matter the circumstance.  I happen to hate MSU the most, but I understand where you come from.

If we win out, it is all irrelevant anyway.

September 24th, 2012 at 6:24 PM | I want Ohio to win.  The more (Score:5 Normal)
coastal blue
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I want Ohio to win. 

The more MSU losses, the better our chances of making the B1G championship game. 

Hell, I wouldn't mind a trip to the mid-90s where we ruin an 11-0 Ohio's perfect season. 

September 24th, 2012 at 6:26 PM | I live about a mile away from (Score:4 Normal)
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I live about a mile away from The Toilet Se... er, Horseshoe.  And I can honestly say that a tsunami, missile strike or earthquake at the OSU/MSU game last year would've been an acceptable outcame.

If I still lived in Michigan, I might change my tune but this week I say: Go Sparty.  No wait, I can't say that.  I'm rooting for Ohio State to score less points.  I think Ohio State probably wins because their defense is talented if not great, but the whole conference is so very mediocre this year (including us, to be sure) that they will manage to look very unstellar in doing so.

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September 24th, 2012 at 6:30 PM | ohio's defense may be (Score:2 Normal)
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ohio's defense may be talented but it is faaaaaaaar off from great.

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September 24th, 2012 at 10:19 PM | In terms of yardage Ohio has (Score:1)
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In terms of yardage Ohio has the worst defense in the B1G, giving up 394.75 yards/game with 277.25 passing and 117.5 rushing.  They're 5th in scoring D giving up 17.3 points/game.  They've played four unranked teams with a combined record of 5-9 all at home.  Hard to say how this game will go though, seeing as Michigan State can't throw their way out of a wet paper bag.  Seems to be strength vs strength with Bell against Ohio's run defense.  I say edge Ohio.

September 24th, 2012 at 6:29 PM | 1. Msu 2. Msu 3. Msu (Score:2 Normal)
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1. Msu
2. Msu
3. Msu

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September 24th, 2012 at 9:22 PM | Funny, I'd go: 1) Ohio 2) (Score:2 Funny)
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Funny,

I'd go:

1) Ohio

2) Ohio

3) Ohio

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September 24th, 2012 at 6:30 PM | Most Important Rivals? (Score:4 Normal)
Everyone Murders
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I'm not so sure about your premise

 

These are our two most important opponents and rivals.

It's plain as day to me that OSU is our most important rival.  I don't think it's so clear that MSU is our number two rival - opinion on that point seems to be divided 50:50 as to whether that number two spot belongs to Notre Dame or MSU.   

As to your question, my suspicion is that OSU will beat MSU, although I'd prefer that OSU lose.

 

  • "Of course I care about that stuff.  To the point of irrationality.  It will always be Michigan first, cancer second."  Jim Mandich (RIP)
September 24th, 2012 at 6:31 PM | It's Notre Dame. No question about it. (Score:2 Overrated)
hart20
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It's Notre Dame. No question about it.

Yep, that's Simba made out of a pineapple.

September 24th, 2012 at 6:46 PM | no.  it's definitely a (Score:5 Normal)
orobs
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no.  it's definitely a question.  Many of us who grew up in Michigan and saw our high school friends goto state, and rub it in our faces for the last four years take the MSU rivalry far more personally than a non-conference game with a team more concerned about keeping an annual stanford and navy game going rather than playing us

September 24th, 2012 at 7:17 PM | For me, it's the opposite. Growing (Score:2 Normal)
hart20
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up in South Bend, most of my friends go to Notre Dame or are Notre Dame fans. I hate Notre Dame and everything about their football team. Not to mention, every time we win and they lose, we increase our lead in the all time winning percentage column.

Yep, that's Simba made out of a pineapple.

September 24th, 2012 at 7:48 PM | You are entitled to your (Score:5 Normal)
orobs
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You are entitled to your opinion.  But I think it's pretty debatable overall who our #2 rival is.  But when the Notre Dame game goes back on hiatus, they will take a clear cut backseat to MSU

September 24th, 2012 at 9:52 PM | ohio is our only rival (Score:0 Offtopic)
September 24th, 2012 at 7:31 PM | Every year (Score:4 Normal)
CleverMichiganR...
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I am reminded that paying out-of-state tuition is a much better deal once you factor in that half your high school friends won't be going to State. Growing up, I wasn't aware that MSU was near even Notre Dame in rivalry status. My grandparents view any game in the regular season besides OSU and ND to be just another one of the "little 10."

The world looks better through maize mirror tint. 

Still waiting on backup.

September 24th, 2012 at 8:01 PM | Not a question. (Score:4 Normal)
Bosch
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Your mind is convincing you that MSU is a primary rival because you hate having Michigan lose to MSU.  However, this is not because you think it's some great accomplishment that michigan beat them, but rather because you don't want to get grief from MSU fans. 

That is not any different from any other second rate Big 10 team that we play every year.

Beating Notre Dame is satisfying.  Beating MSU is relieving.

All right Lemmings. Bring the heat.

September 24th, 2012 at 10:27 PM | "Beating Notre Dame is (Score:2)
k1400
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"Beating Notre Dame is satisfying.  Beating MSU is relieving."

Well said.  

Aside from the week we play MSU, I don't care what they're doing.  

I will fight 'til I am dead, a winged helmet on my head.

September 24th, 2012 at 9:30 PM | I grew up in Michigan... (Score:2 Normal)
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and I don't give two shits about Sparty

September 24th, 2012 at 7:01 PM | Nope... It's definitely State (Score:5 Normal)
Schembo
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Nope... It's definitely State for me. The ND game is fun, but the State game is personal.

September 24th, 2012 at 7:28 PM | Personal...definitely. (Score:3 Normal)
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On top of that, State affects our Rose Bowl hopes and it is a big game across a lot of sports. The hate flows from football to basketball to hockey to everything else (moreso than Ohio does, a lot of people would say) pretty easily.

Michigan/ND hockey has been a decent series lately, but does a basketball game "move the needle" more than any other Big East team? How about M/ND in anything else? Seeing State every year in every sport is a big deal, IMO.

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September 24th, 2012 at 6:37 PM | Ambivalent (Score:0 Flamebait)
September 24th, 2012 at 7:34 PM | ND is a bigger rivalry off the field in a way (Score:1 Overrated)
Club2230
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Michigan leads the series against MSU 67-32-5.  For you math majors we have played 104 games.

Michigan leads the series against ND 23-16-1.  Again for the math majors it is 40 games.

I know there is a lot more that goes into a rivalry than just quantity of games played, but I don't think it is so clear who our number two rival is.  

September 24th, 2012 at 10:08 PM | Don't be silly, it's (Score:1)
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Don't be silly, it's Minnesota.

i should probably stop posting on mgoblog when I'm drunk.

September 24th, 2012 at 6:31 PM | I want MSU to win, because that means that they'll be (Score:2 Normal)
hart20
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higher rated when we beat them, and then, by the time we beat Ohio, Ohio will still be fairly highly rated. 

Yep, that's Simba made out of a pineapple.

September 24th, 2012 at 7:34 PM | worried about our bcs (Score:3 Normal)
ccdevi
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worried about our bcs standing?

September 24th, 2012 at 6:31 PM | Sink hole opens up (Score:5 Normal)
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under stadium swallowing everyone.

September 24th, 2012 at 6:31 PM | The preferred outcome is the (Score:4 Normal)
M Fanfare
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The preferred outcome is the aforementioned natural disaster/man-made disaster that obliterates Spartan Stadium and a wide perimeter around it.

Failing that, it is better for Michigan if MSU loses. Since I refuse to root for Ohio to win, I will therefore root for MSU to lose.

Hail to the college whose colors we wear,

Hurrah for the Yellow and Blue!

September 24th, 2012 at 6:32 PM | Unfourtunatly... (Score:1)
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I would want ohio to win for one ohio has no chance of going to the Big Championship and it would give Michigan State a loss in the conference.

   I'm not cheering for niether team....just want to see one as in Michigan State lose more then ohio.

  If it benifits Michigan in any given way I am all for it.

 

 

 GO BLUE

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September 24th, 2012 at 6:33 PM | Right now, I dislike MSU (Score:3 Normal)
Wendyk5
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Right now, I dislike MSU more, so I hope they lose. I think the game comes down to Braxton Miller vs. LeVeon Bell, and I think Braxton wins this one.

There's a time and a place for spontaneity. 

September 24th, 2012 at 6:38 PM | Ohio in a rout (Score:4 Funny)
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Final score: 2-0.

I like OSU's defense to get the safety against an inexperienced MSU QB.

"If life is the road, then Ohio is simply a place to stop for gas." -- Scott Burgess, Detroit News, 9/16/2010
September 24th, 2012 at 9:12 PM | But (Score:4 Informative)
Cope
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not a defensive game. Just a non-offensive game.

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September 24th, 2012 at 6:40 PM | I'm going to hope for both (Score:1)
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I'm going to hope for both teams losing. Maybe a 0-0 game going into overtime that comes down to who sucks worse at FG kicking.

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September 24th, 2012 at 6:42 PM | Next weekend: I'm looking (Score:2)
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Next weekend: I'm looking forward to some killer sales at Filene's Basement and TJ Max's, and then maybe just browsing a bit at Macy's, where you can always find good buys on shoes. Not really. :(

September 24th, 2012 at 6:42 PM | Ohio (Score:2 Normal)
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I hope MSU loses by a score of 2-0, with the only points involving an MSU player running backwards 50+ yards (Kent State style) into his own end zone and being tackled for the game-winning safety. 

 

 

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September 24th, 2012 at 6:43 PM | I want OSU to beat MSU (Score:2 Normal)
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I want OSU to beat MSU badly...

MSU losses have direct implications on our season, and spoiling a good OSU season is better than beating a 6-6 OSU team...

September 24th, 2012 at 6:47 PM | 1) MSU is our main (Score:1 Flamebait)
orobs
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1) MSU is our main competition towards a big ten championship game.  We want them to lose any conference game.

 

2) Ohio State is ineligble for a bowl game.  All they are playing for is a decent season and a chance to beat us.  So this game is pretty unimportant for them, and even less important for us.

September 24th, 2012 at 7:03 PM | 2 answers (Score:4 Normal)
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Division divided Big Ten: Ohio

Non-Divisional League: MSU

 

I love Michigan more than I hate Ohio.

Bring back Keith Jackson

September 24th, 2012 at 7:16 PM | "I love Michigan more than I (Score:5 Normal)
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"I love Michigan more than I hate Ohio."

Yep, it really is as simple as this.  Every time someone in our division loses to OSU, that moves us one step closer to getting to the B10 title game ourselves.  Consequently, every true Michigan fan should be hoping that MSU loses this one.

For those who may have trouble with this, check out the video of our b-ball team going nuts watching OSU beat Sparty last year to hand us a share of the B10 title.

Now with 100% less South Bend, 100% more Washington DC.

September 24th, 2012 at 7:06 PM | I hope they both lose. Not (Score:2 Normal)
Allin4Blue
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I hope they both lose. Not sure how that's possible, but one can wish

September 24th, 2012 at 7:11 PM | The Meteor (Score:3 Normal)
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In this game I always hope a meteor hits the field. Hasn't happened yet but you never know.

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September 24th, 2012 at 8:43 PM | msu (Score:2 Normal)
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recruits on meteors so they tend to be nice to them.

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September 24th, 2012 at 7:17 PM | 3-2 (Score:1)
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I'd like to see the baseball style score of 3-2 with Ohio beating Sparty that way.  For Michigan's rose bowl hopes this year I want Sparty to lose as often as possible in their next 8 games, and since OSU can't go to the title game, they can go 11-1 for all I care as long as that 1 is to us.

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September 24th, 2012 at 7:18 PM | Divisions... (Score:1 Normal)
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In Leaders v. Legends, barring some weird circumstances, we always want Leaders teams to win. Ohio over MSU, NU, UNL, Minnesota and Iowa every single year.

That said, I do think Ohio takes this game fairly easily. Their defense has looked bad, but not as bad as State's offense.

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September 24th, 2012 at 7:18 PM | MSU is in our division . . . (Score:1 Normal)
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MSU is in our division . . . ergo we have to root for them to lose whenever they play a cross-division game.  It feels dirty rooting for the Bucks, but we have to do it.

 

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