Very interesting perspective, thanks for posting this. I also find it interesting that Gruden and Bellotti were on that list.
Ohio State's last coaching search
Bucknuts was definitely in meltdown mode once the search went into the second week.
Jan. 1: Ohio State loses to South Carolina 24-7 in the Outback Bowl.
Jan. 2: Head coach John Cooper fired after 13 seasons (111-43-4).
Jan. 4: Ohio State's advisory committee meets; A day after he wins the national championship Orange Bowl, Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops is rumored to be on OSU's wish list.
Jan. 5: Minnesota gives OSU permission to speak with head coach and OSU alumnus Glen Mason. Pittsburgh turns down permission to speak with former Cooper assistant Walt Harris, who says he's not interested.
Jan. 8: Longtime Buckeyes assistant Fred Pagac interviews for the job with AD Andy Geiger while in Atlanta for a coaches convention.
Jan. 9: Mason, Youngstown State head coach Jim Tressel and Stanford head coach Tyrone Willingam interview in Atlanta.
Jan. 10: Former Buckeyes player and Columbus radio host Chris Spielman interviews at Geiger's home.
Jan. 12: Harris takes himself out of consideration.
Jan. 13: Stoops, since rumored for the Cleveland Browns job, tells fans at an Oklahoma basketball game he is staying with the Sooners.
Jan. 14: Willingham, who does not reveal whether he was ever an official candidate, says he's staying at Stanford.
Jan. 15: Oregon head coach Mike Bellotti, previously only mentioned in rumors, tours the Ohio State campus with Geiger.
Jan. 16: Oakland Raiders head coach Jon Gruden withdraws his name from consideration for the Ohio State head coaching job. Bellotti withdraws as well.
Jan. 17: Tressel hired as head coach, and will be introduced Jan. 18.
Gruden is, was, and will always be on everyone's coaching candidate list. He's quite a legend as far as this goes.
And the rest is history?
Goes to go show our fans that just because things seem like they're falling apart from the outside doesn't mean they can't work out in our favor. Hope it's an indication of what's to come. It goes without saying (but I'm saying it anyway), Tressel ended up being a fantastic hire and, at the time, he was not a big name.
Tressel ended up being a fantastic hire and, at the time, he was not a big name.
Tressel wasn't exactly a nobody. He was very well know and well respected in the state of Ohio and was on a lot of team's lists for potential candidates should they need another head coach. Sure, he wasn't a national name heard in the offices of teams like USC or Texas, but the state of Ohio was gaga over him.
Couldn't they have hired one of them?!?
Mason would have been a great hire. Willingham...that would have been fun.
He was 2-1 against Michigan. I don't see it being all that fun going against him with the talent Jon Cooper left behind. If he's a nincompoop, I hate to think what we had at the same time.
The guy gets lambasted for taking two thankless jobs and making the team better. Any man who can make Charlie Weis 19-6 or get Steve Sarkisian a top-3 finish in the Pac 10 along with a Holiday Bowl win was doing a good job rebuilding those programs.
... what does it take to post on front-page entries? An iPhone or a Beveled Guilt contribution?
I don't have the former but did do the latter.
I suspect it's to Stay Classy MgoBlog, but just wondered.
MGoBlog iphone apps only on frontpage and diaries, and voting is still off-line.
... iPhone coming to Verizon soon. By then Brandon will have settled on Gerry Faust.
After reading this summary I think I need to relax and trust in DB to make the right call. No matter who the coach is, I hope we all support him 100%.
1. no relaxing
2. no trust in Brandon, given how he handled Rodriguez and presser (but could be gained with right hire)
3. Will certainly support whomever he hires
I support him like Rich was supported when he was hired and he is being held accountable for creating this situation.
I'm not sure I can stand another 10+ days of uncertainty only to end up with Brady Hoke
But I think the lesson from this and our last search is we don't really know how anything will shake out - both with who our coach will be, and how they'll do. But as silly as it sounds, it is important to make the new coach feel welcome. Even if it is Brady Hoke.
Did OSU fans at the time worry about losing national relevance, becoming a "regional program," and whether they'd ever beat Michigan again?
Also, one big thing that Tressel has done consistently in his time is win over the media. His first comments at OSU, when they couldn't have been happy to have hired him, made the locals start to like him. Even though his time their has been plagued by shadiness, he's still considered one of the cleanest coaches in college football. Contrast this with our last search, when we all felt lucky to get Rod, and someone whom I think really is one of the cleanest coaches in football, but who's considered "slimy" and was always thought to not "understand the rivalry."
As sad as it is, dealing with the media is just as important as what goes on at Schembechler Hall.
Cooper's last 4 recruiting classes yielded 27 NFL draft picks. Tressel also won a MNC with Cooper's players.
Carr's last 4 recruiting classes (so far) have yielded 7 draft picks.
Thesis: Tressel's ownership of Ohio blue chipp recruits benefiited from timing and his historical ties/knowledge of Ohio HS.
1. Carr was lax in recruiting in his final years
2. Tressel steps in to OSU, strong Ohio ties, combined with Lloyd's junk effort to recruit and creates a fortress around Ohio for OSU.
3. Hence, it will take at least c. 3-5 year for Mich to get back to the level of recruiting competitiveness in Ohio that got us a guy like Woodson.
While Michigan football hasn't been down often in its history, when we fall, we fall hard. Before we went 3-9, it seemed like every other program had had a losing season in the past twenty years except us. But theirs were just blips, whereas ours is an extended period of DOOM. As an MVictors addict, I read about how we followed up back-to-back national titles in the 1930s with the worst 3 year stretch in M history (worse than the RR era). The 1950s and 1960s were an extended period of mediocrity that are the "outlier" in Michigan's history. And they followed a couple of titles in the late 1940s.
I guess what I'm saying is, I hope that we're getting all kinds of winning karma by the pain of these last few seasons.
There was a retirement / sack Carr watch for a few years. As I recall, while Cooper had issues beating us, his overall record was very good. Anybody think it nay have been hard for Carr to recruit in those last years?
The state of Ohio is loaded with HS football talent that grew up dreaming of going to OSU. Not so much so in Michigan as there is not as much talent and we have another BCS school in the state (I'm not counting Cinci as they haven't hardly ever been relevant).
There also wasn't a concern about a total scheme change offensively which may render a lot of players as after thoughts or transfers. Finally, don't forget about academics.
I think Gruden would instantly send shock waves in the recruiting world. I keep hoping we'll see a nice fat rumor about him. He can't stay out of coaching forever, can he? He did, at one point, say UM was his dream job. He grew up in Dayton... I know, I'm probably dreaming.
He also was the backup QB at the University of Dayton for 3 years.
I would play for that SOB in a heartbeat. I would send my children to play for JG. What are the cons? Perhaps he longs for the same "professed" temptress named the NFL that afflicted JH. I can deal with that. Not a "Michigan Man"? I can deal with that also - neither was Bo. Let's go get him.
Can we afford 10 scholarship QBs.
who cares. michigan gave up some ground in ohio and Rodriguez and company more than made up for that by recruiting florida quite well. now thats gone and we have recruits dropping everywhere. great decision brandon, what are you going to do for an encore?
... but Ohio State's position when Cooper was let go was closer to Michgian's position when Carr left (bound to a decent bowl, only a couple years removed from a top-five ranking, etc.). They hadn't lived through the equivalent of the last three years, which made them doubt their program.
As for the Tressel hire, a lot of the fans thought he was too small-time, and too risky to wager that his I-AA success would translate to the next level. But those were the fans fixated on pipe-dreams like Stoops and Urban Meyer and Gruden, who were never realistic candidates. Tressel got rave reviews from the people who actually knew him, and from Ohio HS coaches.
Cooper finished #2 in the country two seasons before he got fired. Michigan hasn't finished in the top-5 since 1999 (8 seasons before Carr left and 11 from the present day).
Cooper had a ridiculously strong program that just for whatever reason could never win against even the most average Michigan teams.
Some of those teams were stacked. The OSU team that somehow lost to MSU was every bit as good as the one which lost to Biakabutuka and Woodson. Recruiting and talent were certainly not an issue for Cooper.
OSU never seemed to have the elite QB that Michigan had.
For the Buckeyes. But maybe you are right and Bowling Green was a much better place for him to go that year????
urban meyers schemes would never work in the big ten eleven twelve or thats what I keep hearing.
regarding the Sweatervest. Another thing that struck me when he was first hired is that he took the very thing that was lacking with Cooper (and ultimately got him fired)-inability to beat Michigan and, to some extent, downplaying the rivalry-and embraced it. He put the M/OSU rivalry to the forefrunt and basically made it a rallying point amongst members of the fanbase. To me this was huge in terms of the way the local/regional fans initially received him. Obviously he secured that long term by winning but having that initial support probably helped. Indeed had he not backed that up by winning we would not be talking about him now.
As much as I supported RR I noticed he liked to put our big rivalries in one category (ND, MSU, OSU) as though they were pretty much the same. While I don't see that as being ultimately bad, I think having an obvious appreciation for the specifics of each of those or at least acknowledging that publicly may have squashed some of the perception that he didn't understand Michigan or doesn't get the rivalry etc.
OSU only has one rivalry. If our new coach makes OSU the kind of priority that Tressel did, fans will still be pissed/disappointed if we drop games to State and ND. Tressel's genius was being clued into the OSU psyche, which especially after 2-10-1 was driven almost entirely by its pathological hatred of all things Michigan.
I think most Michigan fans have a wide variety of things they would like to see accomplished by the new coach and his future teams. OSU fans only wanted to beat us.
That's still all the Bucks want. Just Beat Michigan. Seriously, I know these people. They think they should be awarded a MNC in addition to a pair of gold pants every time they beat Michigan.
Good thing we still have the SEC, the best (and most corrupt) conference in football.
Ohio State only has one rival. The OSU program is historically defined by how it does against Michigan. I believe this is because of UM's sucess early in the last century and OSU's efforts to emulate it. Cooper never got it, he wore a blue suit with a yellow tie to his first press conference and later said that: "I guess Michigan is the big game around here." Tressel of course wore a gray suit with red tie and later made his half time speech about being proud of the team in x number of days in Ann Arbor. If you asked Tressel right now how many days to the Michigam game he could tell you. There is a count down clock in the lobby of the football center and another one in the weight room. Ohio State only has one rival.
- Yes, there were talking heads talking about OSU not being that big of a job
- LOL @ Walt Harris for thinking he was all that
- Supposedly, Gruden was very close to accepting the job
- Rumor has it that Bellotti was eliminated after he asked Andy Geiger if it was possible to move the OSU-UM game to earlier in the year
- Andy Geiger had a very structured process for the search. Each candidate was required to interview, which turned off a couple of the prospects. It also frustrated many fans, but the same process also yielded Thad Matta.
- Mason was begging for the job, and had a lot of supporters in the state. It also pissed off Minnesota to no end.
- As stated before, for those in the know, Tressel was held in very high esteem.
- Besides the Michigan/Bowl record, the other reason for firing Cooper was the terrible performance in the classroom by some football players, culminating in Reggie Germany pulling a fantastic 0.00 in his last quarter.
- Tressel did a decent job keeping the 2001 recruiting class together, but all in all, it was a mediocre class
- the 2002 class, on the other hand, included Troy Smith, Nick Mangold, AJ Hawk, Clarett, Santonio Holmes and others.
- Buckeye nation was pretty "meh" about the hire, but the halftime speech at the basketball game made him a lot of fans.
We already we're wondering if we'd ever beat Michigan again. Dammit Cooper!
The prospect of Ty Willingham at OSU gives me some hypothetical good feelings on this crappy day with a cold I contracted from some kid or octogenarian on the flight back from the Sunshine State.
Watching Fuckeye fan jump into the Scioto River en-masse would have allowed me to die happy, no matter what.
Who is the coach at Youngstown State and are they interested (if, and only if, they haven't adopted the sweatervest or stuffed animals)?
they are not as prominent as they once were.
I just hope that if we have to settle for Hoke that he proves me and just about everyone on this board wrong that he can be succesful in the spotlight. I just don't see it happening ...
Why was the team worse in his first 5 seasons than in the final 3 under Lynch?
Hoke had one good season out of the blue and bailed. He should not be a candidate for this job under any circumstances and his name would never be mentioned if he hadn't coached the d-line here 8 years ago. The list of much better coaches is enormous. Someone like Dirk Koetter, who would never get a sniff of this job, has ten times the resume of Brady Hoke.
Brandon should be fired immediately if he hires him.
I agree with this. As much as I would love to be proven wrong in a good way about someone, Hoke gives me the least amound of optimism of anyone. In addition to what you just indicated, based on what Brian cited in his comments about being closed-minded about spread offenses-"basketball on grass" if I recall- he would be the worst fit in terms of players currently on the roster. Based on one of DBs points for criteria he mentioned in the presser-having someone who can adapt to the talent on the team-I just can't see how Hoke is anything other than a decided non-option.
Hoke seems likely to dismantle the one part of the program that's working well.
Wow, what a turnaround! Let's give him a ten year deal!
SDSU is better because Lindley is a junior and Chuck Long recruited well before getting the axe after just three years. Hoke hasn't shown he can build a solid program or have elite level success, even against lesser competition. There are a host of coaches out there who have.
Settling for Hoke without exhausting close to 100 options first would be the ultimate in Michigan Man bullshit cronyism. If Rodriguez got fired because of the record, Hoke can't get hired because of his.
I have an issue with a guy that is under .500 with nearly 100 games under his belt. It took him five years to get to a respectable record at Ball State. I have to believe there is someone a lot better out there that wants the Michigan job.
I came up with about 50-60 names of current/recent college head coaches who have done more. It didn't include coordinators or NFL guys. The only way Hoke is a candidate is if Dave Brandon is a total boob and I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until proven wrong.
If Rodriguez got fired because of the record, Hoke can't get hired because of his.
Might have to change my Pic to Ren Hoek if he hired.
Excellent post providing much needed perspective.
Fifteen days from Cooper firing to Tressel hire.
Dave Brandon fired RR on January 5 making today just Day Three.
More important to get it right than to get it fast.
There isn't an "h" in "Yost."
There is if you have a lisp.
Is Lou Holtz.
There's no such thing as a blue dragon.
step away from the computer really?? I doubt that will happen until we have a head coach and his name is not Brady Hoke. Cause if that does happen it will cause another week or two of uncontrollable posts.
I'm just hoping that gruden doesn't withdraw his name from our search anytime soon
... Chucky has kids in school in FLA and is turning down good opportunities in his back yard.
This would be nice
Here's to that becoming your Avatar in a week.
RR was option 1, JH option 2. You can't have 8 options with signed contracts and just pick one to introduce at the news conference, keeping the blogpeople happy. DB isn't starting from scratch, but a coaching search is always going to be agonizing.
And a little embarrassing. More people seem to turn it down than consider it. OSU was adrift and embarrassed at the time, Tressel was the ultimate LOL hire. Nobody wanted that job
Thanks for the excellent post. I live down here in Ohio and remember the search well. People were going NUTS that Glenn Mason wasnt hired although Tressell was somewhat of a cult hero around here for his work at Youngstown State.
Exactly right when you say it's better to be right than fast. But being wrong and slow is the worst of all worlds and right now all we know for sure is that the replacement WONT be fast. Right is still up in the air.
I think DB would be silly not to search the ranks of lower tier division football. But at the same time I wouldn't be surprised at all if pulls the trigger on Miles or Hoke so Michigan has a coach.
Anyone have a list of FCS, D-II and D-III guys with Michigan ties?
I'm officially blowing my head off. And I say that affectionally as a former D-III football player.
If we hire someone like KC Keeler from the 1AA ranks?
... now I understand why Brian has Page One on lockdown.
Also think it is silly we wont consider a high profile coordinator to assume a HC role. It's OK for Florida to do it with Muschamp but not Michigan? Crazy.
1. Good time line reference. 2 Weeks.
2. Good reminder that many of the "usual suspects" were hauled out for that one - forgot that Gruden has been circulating around for a long time.
3. Shows that believe it or not but it is true, we might not be too demanding. Look at Cooper's record or even earlier Earle Bruce's record - we'd be so happy if RR was "just" giving us 8-3 type teams.
4. Doubt any so called "big names" will come here unless there some huge carrot - and it isn't money. If someone had aspirations to be AD or had some other personal or family reason that could occur, but none of the so called big names fit that except JH. Suggest the effort be aimed at an up and coming DC/OC from a successful program (basically NOT a big name).
Again, thanks for the perspective. Much better than the usual "let's get Michael Jordan for hte Pistona" or "let's trade for Derek Jeter" style fantasy posts.
I've been frustrated some by fans who think we have to have a coach with head coaching experience at a major school (or pseudo major like TCU/BSU). The list of hires made by big-time programs who were unproven as head coaches is significant:
- OSU - Tressel (Div 1-AA)
- Florida - Muschamp (no HC experience)
- Wisconsin - Beilema (no HC experience)
- Nebraska - Pelini (no HC experience)
- USC - Kiffen (no HC exper......wait, what? He was a head coach? Really??)
I'm hoping that Brandon is keeping an open mind about top assistants, small school coaches with success, etc. And more importantly, I'm hoping that fans and readers of this site keep an open mind with whoever is hired. We saw how the Freep killed Rodriguez's credibility as soon as he arrived - let's not do the same to the next guy.
As for Miles, I'm very conflicted. For all of his faults, he just wins. Maybe he'd be a guy that you could bring in with some up-and-coming coordinators who could be actually groomed to replace him - a huge failure of Lloyd Carr's era.
You can add Carr to that list above.
But I still think we're going to settle for Hoke when it's all said and done.
It is easier to recruit at OSU. They have more 4 and 5 star kids in their home state. Their academic standards are easier. Boosters buy their SWAG and loan cars to them to drive.
I don't think we have that kind of time.
Hire Hoke, rehire Calvin Magee and Fred Jackson, see if Hoke's Training guy can co-exist with Barwis......Done.
At 11AM? For your first post ever?
Naw, I'm just messin' with you. Welcome aboard. Hope you enjoy the madness!
Is that coaching searches are expected to be painful and slightly embarrassing. I don't really want to draw parallels between the two scenarios b/c with every similarity, there is an equally relevant difference. I'll just watch this beast of a coaching search play out...in a bomb shelter.
I have been away for about 12 hours and I was looking at the Michigan Jet on FlightAware...it is in Georgia this morning. I have a couple questions:
1. Is this the plane we assume or know DB is on?(it says it was in BR yesterday)
2. Why would he be in Georgia? Mark Richt?
Rumor has it Les Miles likes The Varsity.
I guess that means Miles isn't TOTALLY bats.
Wasn't the OSU coaching search around the time that they, as a whole, sold their souls to the devil?
At the latest.
Ask yourself how Woody Hayes stays employed after punching a camera man and the brother of a newspaper editor in the fifties.
I remember him attacking a camera man in the 1977 version of The Game, and obviously I remember the punch that got him fired, but I never knew about the earlier incidents until I looked up the link for this post.
ytOSU fans always talk about the 50s as the start of their era of dominance. I'm guessing Brutus was burned alive on a pyre as an offering to Satan no later than 1952.
Probably contributed more to society than you will ever. Give the guy a break.
He graduated his players. No NCAA violations. Typically encouraged them to go back to school, get graduate degrees and not play professional football, but rather contribute something to society.
Taught at tOSU (okay, insert jokes here).
Also reportedly had pretty good case of diabetes and most likely had some serious sugar imbalances when when he lost it with Charlie Bauman (not that it's excusable or that he shouldn't have been fired).
It was a different era when people weren't as concerned about image management and dismissing (re: ignoring problems) by throwing people under the boat.
Besides, without Woody Hayes, we never have one Glenn "Bo" Schembechler at UofM. So think about that.
I know this thread is supposed to provide a sense of calm over the masses. I can definitely appreciate that and applaud the mgoblogger for his perspective.
However, let's not get carried away with the "Well in that case, Hoke wouldn't be a totally terrible option."
Hoke has won nothing compared to Tressel (circa 2000).
Eight seasons as HC, three winning seasons (including one "set the world on fire" 7-6 season)
1-1 in Bowl Games
His one "great" team under-achieved and lost the MAC Championship game
Tressel (circa 2001)
Ten Div I-AA Playoff appearances, six Championship Game appearances, four National Titles
Fifteen seasons at YSU, only three losing seasons
I'm not saying Hoke would or wouldn't be a good coach at Michigan. Who can honestly predict that? However, I am saying that while this OSU timeline and apparent fan backlash may be slightly encouraging and calming for perspective purposes, it should not be a reason for the Michigan fan base to automatically go "All In For Hoke". Keep it in perspective people!
So is Hoke our Tressel? Success at a lower level(Hoke was actually at a higher level) and had ties to their respective state?
Tressel had a winning record as a college head coach. He won four 1-AA national titles. How is having a losing record in 8 years as a head coach considered "success" at any level?
I find it interesting that there are now THREE reported periods of NCAA violations in the history of Jim Tressel (one at Youngstown State that involved a four year period of cash payments and tell me if this doesn't sound familiar "free leases on cars"). It is a matter of time before this becomes something meaningful.
My prediction is that the tide of the rivalry will change and most likely when the NCAA sanctions OSU. It where there is smoke there is fire. This will happen and it will be sooner than most people think.
Yeah I really hope that's what turns this rivalry around. Then we could just have two crappy teams going at it while the SEC, Pac 10, and Big 12 laugh at the shell of a once relevant Big Ten. Or we could get it together and the NCAA can continue to ignore that.
ytOSU sanctions are just fine with me, thanks. Here's hoping they start 2011 3-2.
My prediction is that the tide of the rivalry will change and most likely when the NCAA sanctions OSU. It where there is smoke there is fire. This will happen and it will be sooner than most people think.
Well, sometimes where there's smoke there's a Free Press reporter rubbing two sticks together.....
Damn, tressel was hired on my birthday.