Good for him. Pot makes everything better, including tackling dummies and wind sprints. That kid will be just fine.
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
Good for him. Pot makes everything better, including tackling dummies and wind sprints. That kid will be just fine.
Considering he failed a known (not surprise) drug test at what is essentially a huge job interview... my guess is he falls down a lot of teams' draft boards and cost himself a decent chunk of change.
Sounds like a first round lock for the Raiders. (Sorry Raiders fans)
No, he hasn't been arrested for anything . . . yet.
The Bengals are more of a DUI kind of team...A Bengal was even once cited for operating a motor boat while intoxicated.
Had a package with two lbs. of pot FedExed to his house. Police found 6.2 lbs already there. Don't say the Bengals or at least one doesn't like to burn one every now and now. I guess with 8 lbs. he could be burning one non stop.
with a big headline like "COLLEGE STUDENT SMOKES POT" in big "Dewey Defeats Truman" letters and a grim mugshot or a black and white copy of a positive drug test.
"Bar Staff Sick Of Sleeping With Each Other"
Just too funny.
This was not a random drug test. Everyone knows they have to take it and he still failed anyways.
That's what I never understand. I have career aspirations that include drug testing; I want that career more than I want to smoke pot or snort coke, therefore I don't do those things.
It has nothing to do with my opinions about the politics behind drugs, or the morality of drug use or whatever, to me it's just a simple choice about value, and it's pretty sad when someone values that joint (seriously, quit for thirty days or the duration of your combine training and toke up later) more than they value their professional prospects.
I think the moral of the story, and I don't mean to be glib, is that some young people do dumb things and often don't see beyond a given weekend's parties. I highly recommend not breaking the law and not getting high before a job interview, but I sure did some dumb stuff when I was his age.
I'm within a year of Adams either way, and while I certainly don't pretend I always make the best choices (and will admit to some very dumb ones), this is just unbelievably dumb.
Honestly, I'd bet some of the harshest criticism he'll get are from teammates of his, or current NFL'ers who are only a year or two older than he is.
Hopefully, though, he'll grow out of such things. Not all 21 year olds (or whatever) are equally mature (of course).
I was about to agree with you, but I thought about it a bit more and changed my mind. Thinking about it from a " what is the most stupid thing I could see myself possibly doing" standpoint, there is a big difference between getting way too drunk the night before an exam, or something along those lines and smoking pot before the NFL combine, arguably the most important moment thus far in his life, knowing you will get drug tested.
Basically, I believe the overwhelming majority of sane young adults, although admittedly foolish at times, will never make a decision knowing that it will likely cost you hundreds of thousands (millions?) of dollars.
Failing a test in college when tests are random- not too big a deal- many players smoke and do fine.
Failing a test you know you must take- idiotic. Either he doesn't care or is too big an idiot- either way makes him look pretty bad- and won't help him with the draft.
The reason why he shouldn't be picked isn't cuz of pot, it's cuz he sucks at blocking.
Yeah, not sure that this is really all that negative of a thing in the main. Although I do wonder at the wisdom of people who know a drug test is coming, know it can negatively impact them(draft position in Adams' case) and still manage to test positive. Seems a bit silly, but nothing to be up in arms over.
This is one part "oh noes, he smoked pot..." and 37 parts "HA dude failed a drug test for which he had MONTHS of advanced notice."
Water is wet
College athletes smoke pot
Who really cares?. . . Answer: Not most of the NFL
But it should impact his Wunderlich score.
If they don't care why do they test for it during the combine. Maybe they're testing for stupidity level?
When I first saw the title I think it said tested for cocaine, my interest piqued and then reread it and saw that it was pot, and thought it is ridiculous that it will be an issue. That said, will this help Mike Martin in the draft?
It will not because Mike Martin is a nose tackle and Mike Adams is an offensive tackle.
How dumb do you have to be to fail a drug test you know is coming months in advance? Thank God for his stellar OSU education
I am morally opposed to drug use; my views are probably rather conservative by the standards of this board. That is (almost) immaterial here, though. From a football standpoint, the big issue here is that he was dumb enough to get caught at the NFL combine.
A man who is not capable of controlling himself with such a pivotal moment in his life pending is likely not able to control himself in other areas of his life. To a GM of a professional team the warning sirens are not the drug ingested but the lack of self-control. He is likelier to lose control of his anger with a significant other, or drive while intoxicated, or get into a bar fight the week before a big game, or drive through a fast-food restaurant late at night with no clothes on.
If I found out that Jerry Rice smoked pot, I would be disappointed in him personally, but it would be clear in retrospect that he did not allow his personal choices to interfere with his ability to play football. In contrast, Plexico Burress did make personal choices that affected his ability to perform. So did Ben Roethlisberger. Those are larger issues.
He doesn't realize that morals are at the least subjective, and at the most imaginary.
It appears that the person making absolute statements here is you, not me. But if you had read the entire post you would have realized that.
You may endorse ingestion of caffeine, alcohol, pot, crack, and heroin, but you would probably be disturbed if your doctor attempted to operate on you while drunk. Would that make someon a hypocrite if they believed that intoxication is okay? I don't think so, because there are times when such activity can harm other people, and (at least in theory) the pro-legalization crowd understands that at those times drunkenness or drug intoxication is not good.
Someone who states "I believe that morals are subjective" should be able to recognize the difference between saying "I believe that drug use is wrong and I think anyone who does it should be banned from the NFL" and saying "I believe drug use is wrong, but from a professional standpoint the major issue here is that someone is unable to control themselves when their lack of control could jeopardize their professional future."
In this case I have far more concern (on a football level) about Mike Adams than I do about, say, Percy Harvin, who did not test positive but admitted in questioning that he had smoked. Doesn't mean I endorse his activity, but from a football standpoint Harvin was simply being honest and not endangering the well-being of either himself or the team. Adams demonstrated a serious lack of regard for the gravity of his situation.
It was in joking fashion. Relax. Everything is imaginary.
I think he's saying it's ok to make poor choices as long as it doesn't make you bad at your job.
He is likelier to lose control of his anger with a significant other, or drive while intoxicated, or get into a bar fight the week before a big game, or drive through a fast-food restaurant late at night with no clothes on.
I don't think any of that is more likely by virtue of the fact that he tested positive for marijuana. I could find you some guys who never touched marijuana and who beat the crap out of their girlfriends/wives on a regular basis if you want to give me a few days. I can also find you some stoners who wouldn't hurt a fly...This is not to say that I advise anyone to break the law. I do not.
I think he was saying that the lack of self control to make a good decision when your career is on the line would lead to the other issues. Still a large leap. I think the more obvious indicator is the decision to spend his college career at The Ohio ;)
Apparently stating a moral position causes a red mist to form in people's eyes preventing them from reading the rest of the post.
As I stated in my post, while I personally don't agree with the choice to smoke, the issue isn't that a player is using.
The issue is that he is foolish enough to use when he will be caught by a known drug test prior to the biggest job application of his life. That, to me, suggests that it is not just someone who holds different moral positions, but is unable to control himself. That lack of self-control, not the choice to smoke pot, is what may manifest itself in further destructive behavior. However, it is not my view that is relevant--it is the view of GMs that matter, and they are the ones who consider things like self control.
I understand your position. I don't agree but I understand what you're trying to say. I think it may be less of a lack of self control than a lack of consequences from the other mistakes he made in his college career. One thing I've learned as a parent is your kids will do a lot of things that don't make sense if they think they can get away with it.
Thanks for the helpful words.
Honestly, I hope Mike Adams gets things together, but when talking about the draft, where every player is scrutinized from every possible angle, I think there's little question that this will hurt his standing in the eyes of the men making the personnel decisions.
Take Janoris Jenkins, ultra-talented former Florida cornerback, who has three children and allegedly continued his drug use after leaving Florida. Lots of buzz speculates that he will drop out of the first round for this reason, and it's not hard to see why; he hasn't yet learned to deal with his problems. Honestly, though, I would be thrilled if the Lions took him late in the 2nd round--because he has great talent and could be a good addition to the team. If he gets himself under control. However, he would be a mistake to draft early, not because of moral opposition to his choices but because he has yet to demonstrate that he has addressed his problems.
I understand your frustration with these situations. It's hard to not feel like if we had the opportunity these guys have, we wouldn't waste it like they so often do. I just remind myself that being a good athlete doesn't make a person superhuman. You still make the same mistakes as everybody else, it's just magnified 1000 times. I don't know if it helps or not, but there are probably people that look at all of us and think "If I had what he had, there's no way I would do X". This thread got really serious, I just wanted to make fun of Buckeye fans!
I understood what you were saying. You're just wrong. People are inconsistent when it comes to self control. My grandfather was a high-functioning alcoholic, but he never hurt anyone. Plenty of guys are in complete control when it comes to substances, but they abuse women. Some guys do everything right save for their gambling problem...Mike Adams tested positive for marijuana one time as far as we know. That was dumb, and it would worry me as a GM, but it would only worry me as to his possible future marijuana use. You can't learn anything else from the positive test. He's also 21 or 22 years old (or whatever). He's not the guy he's going to be when he's 30 (hopefully).
You sure do ramble incoherently.. You sure you weren't hanging out with Mike Adams earlier today?
I am deeply disappointed and horrified! This is not the family-friendly environment I want to share with my kids on Sunday nights! Where are the values, the traditions of football in this day and age!?
Supposedly, he has been upfront about things since the result was made public and they are saying that he might not fall terribly far in the draft as a result, though he will be labelled as a "moderate risk".
What I find intriguing is that he maintains that he was unaware of the positive result during interviews, which is a polite way to say, "I am just smart enough not to tell prospective employers that I have been high in the recent past." Ah, those family values...
Mike Adams is your classic case, I've coasted through to this point on talent alone, never really had to try or work hard and could still make a decent go of it. The NFL will be a rude awakening for him. He'll either snap out of it and have to work and live up to the high level of which he is fully capable or he'll flame out, take his money and go.
Lots of money? or a we smoke? HMMMM....Maybe this will help Molk get drafter higher.
What a moron, hell still make the NFL though.
WHEN your LIVIN' IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!!!!!!!
I heard you've been using your papers not for writing, but for rolling doobies! Classic.
is how both David Spade and Christina Applegate can't keep it together. You know something is funny when the paid actors in the scene can't keep a straight face.
"Hey! Everybody look, I'm doing something called 'breaking.'" - Tracy Jordan
Drug Tests do!!!
my sense of the board relating to the last several posts about substances is that the abuse of pot by players from rival teams is more likely to be a sign of deep character flaws reflecting poorly on athletic programs and universities than is the enjoyment of weed by the fine fellows we follow on our own teams. And I have no problem with that.
That is how every thread comes out. It is nothing new. There might be a little favortism on the board for the Michigan boys.
This is essentially the reaction to every post about a famous person doing something dumb that doesn't seriously harm anyone else.
If anyone asks, he should just tell them he's taking it for his Glaucoma.
I had the pleasure of playing on a city league touch football team with Nicky his last year when he was academically ineligible (architecture major????) He joined our team because he was "in training" for the combines.
His routine was to sit in the car with his trainer and smoke pot for half an hour before each game. He was a gifted athlete with great hands and amazing skill for someone his size. He was my height and a hundred pounds heavier... But moved quite well...
The similarity I see is a pattern of bad decisions, and a linkage of pot and questionable work ethic. Nicki ended up drafted by the Cowboys and was their starting fullback for half of his rookie year... then he was the guy with Mark Tuinei when he died (http://archives.starbulletin.com/1999/05/11/sports/index.html)
It is certainly a stretch to equate the two, but at some point making bad decisions is rooted in a lack of ability to make good decisions. For people on the ledge, drugs seem to gently push them off in far too many cases...