If only OSU's O plays like this during the regular season!
no wonder we hired Hunter Lochmann
If only OSU's O plays like this during the regular season!
Maybe it's because their defense was stout.
...and off to Jolly Pumpkin I go.
ohio state's defense is pretty good (more than pretty good actually but that's all i'm comfortable saying) but it's not like ohio state has been beating people with offense all these years. i'll bet the defense usually wins these things for them
The defense has won 3 or 4 straight. They do a cool thing though the winner's of the spring game get to wear scarlet the next spring game. Plus they do 1's vs 1's.
I bet the D is just good, but hopefully the offense just sucks.
To be fair to TP there are quite a few reasons he might have struggled:
(1) Maybe he just murdered someone
(2) Maybe he recently stole something, and was concentrating on whether to give it back
(3) Maybe he got irritated because his O-Line kept saying "quit playing like you did against Purdue"
(4) Maybe he's disappointed that Gardner burned his scholarship letter from OSU because he always wanted a little brother
(5) Maybe his buckeye tattoo became infected and his arm hasn't been working as well as it did before
(6) Maybe he finally heard what this guy had to say about him and hasn't been able to shake the feeling that he's been a disappointment to his fans
(7) Maybe he's been taking bizarre car rides with Vince Young
(8) Perhaps he got "Troy Smith-ed" and was forced to take a job to help pay Maurice Clarette's cell phone bills
in all honesty, I'm just speculating ... it was probably that he's just a better "athlete" than quarterback
I would have to say it's probably because he arm-punts everything.
While, murdering or stealing from another may bother you or I--keep in mind, according to TP "everybody" steals and "everybody" kills people. No biggie.
This doesn't surprise me in the least. OSU's defense has been its strong point the last few years, and it looks like practice is no exception.
Unlike many of the pundits, I don't see a single game as a sign that TP has turned the corner. I felt that OSU won the Rose Bowl primarily because its defense was able to hold a team used to putting 40+ up to only 17.
Ohio State is something like 20-4 with Pryor as a starter. He doesn't need you think he's turned the corner, he's only lost 4 games and will probably lose no more than 5-6 more for his career.
As much as we UM fans want to say Pryor has sucked/does suck, it's simply not true. The kid is a playmaker and by the time he's done at OSU he will likely have over 40 career wins. By comparison, Henne won 36 in his career at UM. Pryor's job at OSU isn't to impress you or me, it's to win football games, and he's pretty good at doing that.
As I don't exactly go out of my way to closely watch OSU games, but honestly, every time I've watched him play, they won in spite of him. His receivers made a RIDICULOUS catch, his defense came up big, whatever it was, it had little to do with Pryor other than an occasional easy pass of the "you wouldn't be on scholarship if you couldn't at least do that" variety.
Best example I can think of was Wisconsin. I watched that game last year because I thought it would be good and I thought Wisconsin would pull it out on their way to maybe winning the Big Ten. As it turns out, I was wrong, but if I recall correctly, only a single touchdown was scored on offense (Don't honestly recall exactly how); the other three were a defensive and two kick returns.
That is obviously one of the more extreme examples, but the point is that this kid is no Heisman-winning Troy Smith. He certainly isn't what the media is cracking him up to be. I think the biggest mistake Tressel has made in recent years was benching their 6th year QB in 2008, not only because its a jerk move but because the kid, who had just led them to a title game, was having ONE bad game that TP didn't proceed to bail them out of either (USC). It was the equivalent of benching Henne for the rest of 2007 because of the Oregon game. Also see Purdue for example of the time his team didn't bail him out.
He could very well go nuts this year and make us hate our lives, but a single game, Rose Bowl or not, doesn't make the case that he inevitably will.
That benching Boeckman was pretty shitty, Chad Henne he is not.
always has been, and always will be, one of the greatest QB's OSU ever had, and I hate that speedy little bastard with every ounce of my being. I really, really, really hope we beat OSU this year, if only because TP has NOT been good enough, not even close to good enough, to possibly leave OSU without losing to Michigan. I mean, think about what that game would've been like in 2006 if Pryor had been QB. He has lucked out, HUGE, by hitting OSU right when we're rebuilding so much.
I hate Troy Smith, but the dude was some kind of athlete.
Yeah that's really frustrating. The only OSU team since '02 that could have beaten our '06 team was OSU's '06 team.
5-15 for a pretty low 45 yards is pretty bad even for a 1s vs 1s game. For someone who was supposed to be the next VY, he is not really backing it up statistically. Good D or not! My observation.
the two fanbases, Michigan and OSU. We UofM fans see our offense make some big plays and it must be because our D sucks a**. Meanwhile, when OSU's offense can't do sh*t in their scrimmage it's because OSU's D is ZOMG SO AWESOME!
Now, it is entirely possible that our D sucks a** and OSU's D is ZOMG AWESOME! I just find it interesting that we seem so quick to find the negative in our own team and, yet, are quick to accentuate the positives of another team...even a hated rival.
I find it equally interesting that the majority of OSU fans seem to be the exact opposite on this score. They are sure that any offensive fireworks UofM experiences are a result of Michigan's poor D, while they gleefully talk about how ZOMG AWESOME! their D is when they dominate the OSU offense.
I wonder if this is always true or if it is in response to the respective states of the programs: UofM is down and we fans are more inclined to see the negative, while OSU is riding high and their fans primarily see the positive.
It's only true when their defense is consistently ZOMG AWESOME! and our defense has been consistently sucking ass. I think if our defense played fantastic last year and our offense was decent we'd be thinking the same thing.
It goes doubly true when you read wayyyyy too much into a spring practice. If spring games were completely accurate, why bother playing the games?
Remember, Coner is a spring game legend.
Isn't it usually the case that offenses need more timeto develop? At least the conventional wisdom is that because offense is based on timing, especially passing, it requires more time to develop that rapport. Besides which, at Spring Games most offenses don't do anything special, allowing defensive players to read and react.
But perhaps OSU fans' optimism is the result of their inferior analytical skills.
Hopefully our speed gives their world beating defense fits.
The Rose Bowl showed fairly definitively that what this defense lacks certainly isn't "speed".
Doesn't surprise me.
The article states that OSU's O-line is horrible. Didn't OSU get 3+ 5* OL a few years ago, as well as Benedict Boren? Does OSU have horrible luck or a horrible O-line coach?
One has a Rose Bowl ring and faces one of the Top 3 defenses, perhaps, in college football. One does not.
So how bad was Oregon's defense last season? They're about the only D that Pryor looked competent against over the second half of last year.
they gave up boatloads of points against stanford and oregon state over the final stretch of the season
large dump - I hope for their troubles they all got permanent jock scabs.
They can bang on each other to the cows come home - and give them a break.
Sketchy Offense that has to run vanilla play calls against one of the best defenses in the country is a good recipe for a 5-15 stat-line.
I think espn had the same headline about ND last week, well change out the names of course
"“I think offensively it started with we had some issues with the quarterback center exchange,” Tressel said."
Eat it! Eat it OSU! This year you suffer the wrath of the lousy center!
Pryor's stats in two games against Michigan...
14 for 30 for 187 yards, 3 TD, 2 INT. 53 of those yards came on one deep ball. 27 carries for 67 yards (for those of you attending college in East Lansing and Columbus, that's about 2.5 ypc.) Can't say he scares me much anymore.
Combined score: 63-17
wasn't HIS doing.
today's example of why schools should teach reading comprehension.
They do, or at least mine did. I comprehend the things I read just fine, and the SAT agrees.
All I'm saying is that bragging about Pryor's shitty stats against Michigan doesn't help anything. Dude, just look at the scoreboard. Another mgo-user said it best when he commented on Tressel's playcalling: "It's like being in a dick measuring contest with John Holmes. He's only going to pull out as much as he needs to beat you." Tressel didn't need to pull too much out against UM the last couple of years, so saying that Pryor sucks because of these stats is bad reasoning.
But what's worse reasoning is the idea that a crappy practice has dire implications for OSU this fall. You don't know what the coaches were having him work on, or any of the other reasons why he may have sucked in the scrimmage. The fact is that practice performance, especially in the spring, means nothing for in-game performance. Remember the "Weapon of Choice" video for Forcier last year? Yeah, how'd that impressive spring play translate in real games? That's okay though, there's always next year and I guess you guys have Denard to waste your optimism on this year. See you in Columbus, Wolverines!
Most of that combined score came in the 2008 game, in which we had all kinds of trouble stopping their running game (Wells and Herron both averaged well over 8 yards a carry and had long touchdown runs). Pryor had two touchdowns through the air, but was 5-13 and nearly had a pick six to Stevie Brown. In contrast, Boeckman completed all three of his passes for more than half as many yards as Pryor had and their final touchdown. On the ground, Pryor managed -7 yards (which includes sacks).
Pryor had much less luck last year, when the OSU offense only managed 14 points. Their first touchdown, you may remember, came on a turnover. Pryor managed 67 yards through the air on 9 of 17 with an interception. He was better on the ground, with 74 yards on 19 carries.
So while Ohio State has looked impressive in the last two years, Pryor really hasn't.