Pricing the common trucker right out of the stadium. ::sheds tear::
to play football, not to play trumpet
Pricing the common trucker right out of the stadium. ::sheds tear::
And don't forget the common truckers husbands!
BAM! Suckit Ohio.
They'll no longer be able to afford coolers and will begin pooping right in the streets.
This may be the 100th time I have seen this referenced on Mgoblog. Does anyone have an article or something to explain to the nieve (me) exactly where this came from? Thank you
O man...I thought it was an isolated incident or something. Not a general problem where you had an athletic department official quoted on it...
I feel dirty now...I think I'm gonna take a shower
Thanks for the response. Hilarious (&disgusting)
I have to think that the corresponding tattoo value of those tickets also skyrockets. Time to get that "REAL National Champs 2013" tramp stamp!
You spelled it wrong, REEL Nation Champs 2013
Because once DB hears that there's more money he could make...
Tattoos and loaner cars aren't going to pay for themselves.
im fine with this. Would be nice then if they wouldn't force ticket packs on people. And lower the cost of the games against non bcs conference opponents
Yes, if this were to break up ticket packs I'd be totally cool with it - makes it easier for the fan with cash who just wants to go to the big game and the more casual fan that just eats to see any game or wants to take their kid.
As the OP mentioned, they are obviously aware of the prices on the secondary market and what customers are willing to pay for premium games. Doesn't make it any easier to swallow.
Currently Michigan season ticket holders have their prices set per game so they don't bear the added cost of the premium game. Hopefully should more hikes be on the way, that continues to be the case.
How would this affect student ticket prices?
Student tickets are the same price for every game, just the price to validate them increases for premium games, like MSU this year cost an extra $20 to validate compared to the rest of the home games. So I'm guessing that the validation fee for OSU will just be higher, and each ticket will cost more for students.
Not at all if the person using them has a student ID. If someone bought them off stubhub, they'd have to pay the difference between the student and premium prices. Faculty/Staff tickets will be 80% of the public premium price with an ID.
schadenfreude when the nut fans are watching ohio lose at home to Michigan at $175 a pop.
Well, since that hasn't happened in this century it's not much to worry about really.
I'd bet that Ohio would never have contemplated increasing prices had they not gone 12-0. The pressure to win becomes stronger because losing teams do not fill stadiums. There will, however, become a break point where ticket prices won't be supported.
Fully agree as to the creampuff games. You can't give tickets away for the Delaware States we play on occasion.
scheduling future pre-season opponents (2012 was pretty bad). if they bring in oregon and texas and florida, i can rationalize bigger tickets. i am sure michigan will follow further, but will expect us to pay more for the "event-i-ness" of the game, a la Air Force or some contrived pre-game event.
again, this is not a sudden death-knell but a signal of further future erosion. the conferece dilutes itself for more tv gain, then the universities turn around and ask for more money for an equal or lesser product so that they can throw more money into the hole of college athletics arms races.
It is the way of the world. I don't like it, but I don't exactly blame DB or Ohio for doing what they can to maximize profit. It is simple economics to charge as much as the market will bear, and I'm out of touch with how much it costs. Nonetheless, the likelihood of my going to "premium" games in the future (ND, Nebraska, and Ohio next year, Michigan State and Penn State the year after) continues to go down.
I mostly enjoy being a fan, but at the end of the day, I can't justify costs of $200 - $300 per person (tickets, travel, food, etc.) to simply go to a game for an afternoon or evening. Take my son or wife along? There's a lot of things they would rather do with $500 than go to a football game, especially when it can be DVR'ed, start watching about an hour after it starts, and spend maybe 2 1/2 hours watching in large screen HD in the comfort of home or a friends house, with free water, inexpensive snacks, beer, etc.
I don't mind it being "all about the profit," either. What I do mind is the pretense of "amateur" athletes and that athletics are supposed to "enhance student life."
Also, why is a non-profit organization maximizing profits?
they need the extra money to help fund their other 30+ varsity sports.
a ticket increase easier to pay. We have had the opportunity to meet a few non revenue student athletes over past year. They show us a great time tailgating in there yard. So having to pay a couple extra bucks to improve their college athletic experience is ok with me.
Cause it can. Hopefully this will weed out all the classless fans that attend games there so I don't have to see people who wear Braxton Miller Cleveland browns jerseys. Or guys who look like pirates.
Jesus, this is going to reach a tipping point sometime soon. People will stop buying if they keep jacking up the prices.
Sadly, I don't think they will. I think the average joes will be priced out and the attendance for the cupcake games will fall drastically, but the draw of big games will get people to buy all the ticket packages regardless of price.
But the problem with this is you eventually squeeze many of the real fans out of the stadium or arena--as we see happening in a lot of pro sports. Colleges should be guided by more than economics, however. The college football (or basketball) game is a way to keep people connected with the school across generations. The cost of attending ought to be reasonable enough that recent grads with families to raise and loans to pay off can easily afford to attend. And if you want to evaluate it strictly economically, those are your future (if not present) donors and you want to keep them close to you.
The whole topic of economics is difficult. Who, after all, comprises a "real fan?" I'm "connected" to several teams (Michigan, Chicago Bears, White Sox, Bulls, local High School, kid's teams.) The reality, however, is that I won't go to Bears games, will occasionally go to cheaper Michigan games, will get a discounted ticket to the Sox, and will definitely go to high school and kids games. I'm simply not going to spend hundreds and hundreds to go to a game. The cost is just too steep. I fully agree that the regular Joe just can't afford to go anymore. Few people in my social strata go to Bears games, unless they score free tickets from well-connected types who can't make a game.
I do get a bit annoyed at all those posters who assume that only coattail, "Walmart Wolverines" are the ones being priced out of the picture.
There are several pieces to this, but the relevant ones for me:
My wife and I have income between $60,000 - 70,000. We are able to pay our bills, afford a mortgage, take vacations, etc. However, it simply isn't a high enough priority for us to pay a ton to go to games. If Michigan was a high enough priority, sure, I could go to games. But because of vacations, kids in sports, offerings, charitable contributions, going out with my wife on occasion, etc., etc., etc., we don't have enough disposable income to go, or to go often.
I don't resent those who have greater income. It doesn't bother me that some have different priorities for how they spend their money, and choose to go to more games (or more expensive games.)
If anything, I'm just saddened, and nostalgic for a time that has passed by. In the 70's and 80's, when I was in school and Bo was the coach, virtually anyone who wanted to go to a game, could go. Cider was cheap, water was plentiful, and $20 was a lot to pay for a ticket. From my perspective, it now has reached a point where to go to games, you either are wealthy, or put a high enough priority on being there that you make significant sacrifices elsewhere in your budget. In that sense, I'm no longer part of the Michigan community. I have ceded my place to others who either can afford more or care more.
The best way to tell a real fan is if the person digs into his own pocket to pay for a ticket, and sometimes goes to see the less desirable games, either because he loves the game or he loves the team. Too often today, people are at sporting events to network and they talk through the entire game, ignoring anything happening on the field other than the home runs and TDs. I do not consider those people to be real fans.
but I've never seen the networking crowd inside Michigan Stadium. Maybe tailgating but essentially that is what tailgating is.
"I do get a bit annoyed at all those posters who assume that only coattail, "Walmart Wolverines" are the ones being priced out of the picture."
Many different types of fans are getting price out but in my opinion the non alums are mostly responsible for the increasing demand. Very few schools in the Big Ten have a non alum fan base like Michigan. Look at the attendance in Michigan Stadium. 100,000+ would be very difficult with only alums in the stands. Ticket increases really suck but I would rather that problem then struggling to get people to come to games like in East Lansing.
OSU probably figured out it makes more sense for them to bank the money instead of some scalper.
Realistically, it shouldn't change the secondary market pricing too much. Just means people who want to sell tickets above face value will be getting killed on margins.
OSU is probably only one of a handful of schools who could get away with this because they seem to be good about every year. If a team runs into a dry patch though, this will come back to bite them in the arse.
A few questions:
1. What's going to happen to season ticket prices? Will their price be raised the full amount? In the past, the benefit of buying one meant that you got a "deal" on the big games. If a season ticket is just the sum of all the games, then what's the point? Only the best seats in a stadium will be attractive now.
2. (half-joking) Will MAC snack tickets be cheaper now? It's fair to point to secondary markets and raise prices for big games, but what about the $30 EMU tix I see on stubhub? That will determine whether this is really about responding to the market (1% likelyhood) or just another money grab to us adicts (99%).
Disclosure: I'm an out of state alum now, but I don't think I'd buy season football tix even if I could at this point. I'd probably scalp a few early season games and then just couchgate for the rest.
1. Saves $$ intended for tickets
2. Puts new fangled 4k TV on layaway
3. Muddys up yard to resemble Pioneer after a rainstorm to get authentic tailgate experience
5. Same experience, less money, no 16 hours spent on the road (mostly in Ohio)..... in short Profit.
Had no idea cars and tats could cost so much.
According to the article UM already does this.
"Michigan, for example, charged $70 for most games in 2011 but $85 for the Notre Dame, Nebraska and Ohio State games. In 2012, Michigan State cost $95, and all others were $75. "
I'd guess if OSU doesn't see their ticket sales dip to much, DB will start increasing the cost of the 'premium' games on the schedule.
this IS definitely Michigan related.
does this then he is such an asshole. we are just profit to him, he cares nothing about the loyal fans
With this news, the right one can't be far behind.
and now they raise prices?
They dropped in 2011, but they were back to normal in 2012.
Honestly, this is a good idea! It is stupid to sell a ticket for $70 that you know will go for $250 on StubHub.
Additionally, as mentioned above, you need to protect your season ticket holders. I think premium costs are good, so as long as season tickets holders don't get charged the premium. Or if you charge them a premium for Notre Dame / Ohio, you better knock off money to watch Eastern Michigan or another MAC school.
Only bad thing is you will have to buy season tickets or 3 or 4 game ticket packs to get the premium games as well. I will get pissed if I have to pay $150 for osu and stuck with $80 for eastern michigan and central nevada...you get the idea..
Prices of non premium games you can find on line for half of face value aren't going down with ad ticket prices.....so it still may come out better to get the tickets on line.
All we hear about is how Big Ten athletic departments are swimming in money because of the BTN. It would be nice if they used some of that revenue to ease ticket prices, but predictably it is the fan that gets screwed once again. The money all goes to a handful of administrators and coaches and ever more elaborate facilities that in turn are used to justify raising ticket prices even more.
"Easing ticket prices" just increases profit margins for scalpers. Ohio State is simply making the cost/benefit analysis a little tougher on scalpers. Season ticket holders are collateral damage but as long as there is a season ticket waiting list it doesn't matter.
This pricing is coming to Michigan. As someone who frequently deals with the secondary market but prefers dealing with the university I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing. The good news is that four tickets to a premium game now costs as much as a really nice HDTV. Where would you rather watch the game? That question isn't as easy to answer as it once was, is it?
Mock if you will but the facts are that a ticket to a Buckeye's game is hard to come by and there is a robust secondary market out there for them far greater than in Michigan. Their stadium is not that much smaller than ours but for some reason tickets go at a premium to face value and nobody is giving any away like you'll see before some of our games.
Living in central OH during the 90's, it was amazing then, too, how vibrant the secondary market was. IIRC, recent alums at that time were allotted ticket opportunities for exactly ONE game per season, not of their choosing. Yikes! Full season ticket packages were doled out only to the big dollar donors of the day. Don't knowif that's changed since or not.
in the Big House to spoil the virtue of college football (which is somehow okay at Crisler and Yost). Seriously how much revenue could be generated with tastefully executed ad revenue?
Brandon probably would raise ticket prices the same amount though because until people say "no thanks" we will get increases to stay "competitive".
"Seriously how much revenue could be generated with tastefully executed ad revenue?"
You mean like a giant red Arby's logo all over the Big Chill signs/merchandise? I don't necessarily disagree with your point, I just have zero faith that's how it would be executed, and so I'll take the no advertising rule for as long as I can.
It's not like Gordon Gee's million dollar salary needed more scrutiny, is it?
Asking their fans to choose between trailer mortgage payments and tickets is too much. I bet Ramzy "he who can type" among them will have something to say about his until he cows to the meme that such costs must be accepted.
that's been laying the golden eggs all these decades, and they're squeezing harder and harder in an effort to get it to lay bigger eggs. Eventually that goose is going to expire from a crushed trachea and interrupted blood flow to the brain.
Is it a leftover anti-Art Modell graphic?
paying a bunch for good games and cutting back on the delaware state games. Whenever I need to get rid of a ticket to one of those people are in shock at the face value ticket prices....
I don't think this matters too much at all, and is just a silly shell game of moving the dollars around, from the perspective of the school. OSU (and UM) attendance is dominated by season ticket holders. As a season ticket holder, I look at how much TOTAL I pay for the season ticket, and decide for myself if it is worth it to pay that much. The "face value" written on the ticket is not what I paid for it: I get a discount to that price, but then pay my PSD on top of it. The Face Value only serves me one purpose - as a starting point if I want to try and sell it to someone else. I assume OSU season ticket holders are similar.
If you buy individual game tickets to the premium games from the ticket office, this could affect you, but how many people are able to do that? You at least have to buy one of the mini-pack things, and you can then look at it the same way as a season ticket holder, looking at the total cost.
If you are NOT buying tickets from the ticket offices, you are just subject to the secondary market demand. And I don't think this changes that at all.
This WILL be a big impact to UM fans that buy the away tickets through the ticket office. Currently, for big games, those face value tickets are relatively cheap compared to the secondary market - but you get crappy seats in the visitor section. With this change it might be worh it to pay full secondary market prices and get a better seat.
People over profit!
Actually, if the plan all along is to increase 'premium' game tickets significantly and then also reduce the crappy non-conference games, that's a bearable tradeoff.
More games on t.v. = http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/21...
I know what it's like paying a fortune for a 'premium' game. 'Under the Lights' on the secondary market was refuckingdiculous. I still paid for the tickets. Fans will still pay to watch their teams. They may see a slight decrease in attendance for 'premium' games, but it won't be enough that they lose money over the long run.
But I also see more fans giving up the game day experience to sit in their own home to watch the games.
Just wait until UTL v2.0 for cost.
They should! This year the games COUNT!
Im cool with low 100's it weeds out the half ass fans. But im not ok with 200 a pc face value. Thats just going to drive stubhub prices and then this becomes one large merry go round. After moving 7 hrs away as opposed to 1.5 i am selective about games taken in anyway. Bama was fun but i only went because it was well... Bama. After that it was only the staee game. My point is that if i only go to the premium games, it will soon be as expensive as an entire season.
Ugh. Vulture culture.
The price of the tickets for the opposing teams fans. Then we wouldn't have to see any red in the stands at the last game in November.
other teams would do it to us. Away games are expensive enough. Plus those fans are spending there money up here. Which is a good thing.
Maybe they'll figure out that quality opponents bring in more revenue, and well stop getting crapy home schedules like last season.
(If they fix nothing else in the division reshuffle, they somehow need to fix our home and away strength of schedule rotation.)