Good luck with that, Urban.
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
Good luck with that, Urban.
to be fair, he's starting with braxton miller, not nick sheridan
You got fucked, buddy! Maybe Dunn can play LB?
I don't care...he is a buckeye
Dunno on that score. Triple option works best with a good inside threat. I think Dunn provides that in spades.
THe problem is, Dunn wanted to be a feature back. The "inside threat" in the Triple option is essentially a fullback, getting far fewer carries than Braxton and whoever their tailback will be.
If I were Urban, I would be insanely worried about Braxton Miller trying to do too much by keeping the ball and getting banged up. Their QB depth chart doesnt exactly scream "athleticism"... except Cardale Jones.. a true frosh. And Guiton.
One of those Jake Ryan vs. Scheelhase option pitch plays and your only viable running threat Q is concussed.
I'm not too familiar with Dunn's style, but Blount was a big bruising type of back who did very well at Oregon. I think it's a myth that you can't have a big back.
HOWEVA, I seem to recall that Dunn wanted to play in a pro style O, because that would get him better prepared for the NFL. Sorry bro.
Cardale Jones isn't really a threat to run.
Your statement seems strange because you say OSU lacks QB athleticism after Braxton Miller, Kenny Guiton, and Cardale Jones. You basically just named OSU's depth chart at QB. Those are the only 3 guys that can even dream of getting playing time next season.
I legitimately don't understand the point he/she was trying to make. The original statements says that OSU's depth at QB "doesn't scream 'athleticism'" except for Braxton, Kenny, and Cardale... That's the first 3 QBs on OSU's depth chart out of 4!
Dunn has had the best spring of any freshman. They allowed students in the other day for like inside access, and Dunn had a touchdown run of 70+ yards, among other good runs. So obviously, Meyer is finding a way to use him.
Dave Brandon's already spoken out against weed.
He did pretty well in a spread. I don't see why Dunn can't do the same.
is a good point, but I think most people on this board (myself somewhat included) would rather hold a grudge about Brionte picking them over us, so we will continue to say "He Fed up"
But, it still seems like the exception instead of the rule.
What is this "rule" you speak of?
If Minor wouldn't have been so injured all the time, he would have done real well, and he didn't even have a very good O-line.
Some people on here are being very hypocritical in some ways. There are a lot of subtle, snarky "good luck trying to run the spread in the B1G" as if RR's offense didn't work. People are looking for things to say "Dunn F'ed up" and so on and so forth. I don't know, I think OSU will be pretty good. They'll have some growing pains, but nothing similar to what Michigan had (they actually have some depth and a good returning QB).
is a sad testament. This board's like Bucknuts, but for Michigan fans.
Also see Jonathan Stewart. Oregon coaches have regularly recruited big backs to play in their system.
2011 they brought in Tra Carson to play as big back....who then proceeded to transfer back to Texas after being homesick.
2010 they brought in Dontae Williams to be a big back...who also then transfered back to Texas after being homesick.
While neither of these players was Blount size, very few RB's are. I think because LMJ's and Barners great success in Oregon's offense, people tend to think that Oregon only recruits these types of players, but in reality, they've recruited all types of RB's.
were much better players, IMO, than Dunn. Also Dunn seems to be slower and not as strong as either of the two.
Also, I don't think we should have any illusions about OSU's offense under Meyer. It should be very good in the near future. That doesn't mean that OSU get the best of Michigan, but OSU talent + Meyer's offensive knowledge should equal many points.
Meyer's offense is going to be very good, especially with Braxton Miller running it. Good thing we're bringing in good Front 7 players to slow it down a bit, eh? I'm nreally interested to watch this play out.
You're only saying that because he didn't come to Michigan.
You know how many yards Blount rushed for under Chip Kelly? 82 yards total.
You know how many games Blount played under Chip Kelly? Three. He had a total of 22 carries. Not a very useful data point.
When Blount rushed for 1,000 yards in 2008. Chip will use big backs and I assume Meyer will too.
This doesn't really make sense. Oregon is not a triple-option team. Also, their QB is much more of a passer than a runner - it's the tailback who carries the load in the running game in their offense. This would seem to go against everything Meyer has done up to now.
Sounds like he means a tempo like Oregon... like super-fast no huddle. I think trying to add that tempo and the triple option all at once will be interesting to watch. Too bad we don't play them earlier in the season...
Their QBs have been effective passer primarily because the offense gets people very open. The thing that they do that Rodriguez never got around to taking advantage of is dictate pace.
It's true that they get more production out of their RB (for several reasons), but their QBs are still run-first players. They just don't NEED to be used that way as often as guys like Denard because of how well-developed the system (and talent) around them is...it also keeps them a little healthier and fresher.
Their QBs are not run-first players. Last year Darron Thomas carried the ball a total of 56 times (which includes sacks/scrambles) and attempted 339 passes. Only once all year did he carry the ball 10 times in a game. Here are his stats:
Chip Kelly likes to have a QB with some mobility, but he has never used the QB as a focal point in the running game the way we have with Denard, and Meyer always has with his QBs.
Despite how they are used, their abilities as runners are better than as passers. Dixon, Masoli, and Thomas have not been particularly accurate or impressive passers. They're effective because they have people wide open. Oregon's system doesn't need a super accurate passer, they do need guys who provide a constraint as a run-threat. The same thing Michigan needed from RB before Toussaint emerged.
The primary reason why he doesn't carry the ball a ton is: have you seen their RBs?? Oregon's offense is focused on talented RBs running the ball. The QB acts as a constraint. Given how much focus goes to stopping the RB run, the pass game is the primary constraint - but QB run has to be a threat too. Also, Thomas (and Dixon too) is a guy with slight build who can get banged up easily. Masoli was a bit different because he was a good interior runner. Dixon and James were both better going outside, so their skills were somewhat redundant. You'd rather give the ball to James, so Dixon got it less.
Dixon's a better runner than a passer but got used more as a passer, because that's what is best for an offense with James and Barner at RB.
What is your basis for the claim that Thomas's primary skill is running? His skin color?
We're talking about a guy who carried the ball (including sacks and scrambles) four times a game last year. In 10 of his 13 games last season, he had fewer than 20 net rushing yards. The idea that defenses were focused on stopping him as a runner is farfetched, to say the least. Oregon's offense was more like Oklahoma State's than Urban Meyer's.
BTW, Dennis Dixon never played for Chip Kelly.
That is my basis.
I said defenses were focused on stopping the run game - not the QB run. Specifically, James and the outside run.
Kelly was Dixon's OC. You stand corrected.
You must not have watched much of Oregon if Thomas reminds you of Denard.
You're changing your argument. You stated above that Thomas was a better runner than passer. I motion that a guy who passes 339 times and runs (including sacks/scrambles) 56 times is not a run-first player, and no coach would utilize a run-first QB that way.
Kelly and Dixon were together for one year (2007). Kelly did not recruit him, nor did he then run the offensive system he does now. It was the Belotti offense.
I didn't say Kelly recruited Dixon, nor did I say Thomas reminded me of Denard. I pointed out Denard had good passing stats in Rodriguez's spread. The similarity is that they all played in systems that produced opportunities for low-skill passers to produce impressive stats.
Before Kelly, Dixon threw 12 TDs and 14 INTs. With Kelly, he threw 20 TDs and 4 INTs. His avg went up from 6.7 to 8.4. That should give you a ballpark estimate of the degree to which Kelly's system can inflate passing statistics.
Thomas is a better runner than a passer. Thomas is used more often as a passer. These are not mutually exclusive.
The moment Kelly stepped on campus the Oregon offense changed. It had already begun to change with Belotti adjusting his system to Dennis Dixon; they ran the pistol as their primary offense the year before Kelly came in. Once Kelly was in place the familiar inside/outside zone read structure was in place. Further, Dixon transformed from an enigmatic not-entirely-reliable running QB to a guy who would've won the Heisman if he hadn't blown his knee out.
Thomas is not a spectacular runner, but he is good enough to draw a defender on the zone read option, and that is the key issue. As long as he occupies a defender, the speed running backs get lots of space to run and the defense gets burned.
Exactly. Thomas doesn't have to be Denard. He just has to be not-John Navarre. As long as he can run somewhat well, he's a constraint on the D and they have to defend him as a runner.
He sprays the ball around a little bit, but these are his stats from last year:
was 149.6 his sophomore year. I don't think he is considered a great passer.
If you gave Rodriguez Oregon's players and put them around Denard, Denard would have run less than he did at in 2010.
Furthermore, despite his strong stats, NFL scouts continue to very much doubt Thomas' passing skills.
I'll give you that, but a TD/Int ratio of 33/7 is pretty darn good when you're playing in a BCS conference...Also, he's nothing special as a runner.
He's not a special player period, but he's an above-average runner and a below-average passer, IMO.
I'm not disputing his productivity, I'm arguing it's a result of the system, not his skills. His backup was a freshman who did just as well, if not better, statistically.
You're stretching credibility here. Denard had a TD:INT ratio of 18:11 as a sophomore. They are not comparable players. They have different skill sets.
My point was not Darron=Denard, it was that good passing stats don't necessarily mean good passing skills.
It's fine that you don't want to believe me about Thomas, but you might read some other objective analysis rather than blindly pointing to stats.
As the article says, Thomas is a good 'game-manager'. He makes smart decisions. It helps that he's been in the same system for 4 years, under the same coach. Thomas had 2 years on the bench to watch and learn. Comparing him to a very raw sophomore Denard or a junior Denard facing a coaching change, isn't especially insightful.
I live in Oregon. I'm not a fan, but I watch a lot of Ducks football. Thomas is not a good passer, he's just in a really good system that lets him make easy throws. He has some passing skills, but they are unexceptional. He IS a legitimate run threat, above-average certainly, but not nearly on the same level as Denard or even Dixon, and certainly doesn't compare to De'Anthony Thomas and LeMichael James caliber runners.
its hard to push tempo without mature bodies or experience
Tempo was the piece that was still in development for the offense...that and having a returning starter at QB. The offense was still ramping up, but the other side of the ball wasn't showing the same trajectory.
Don't be "that" guy.
So Meyer isn't going to run the program with the same intensity that made Florida successful, and now is going to run a new system? I'm ok with this.
Hopefully they aren't successful. If Brian starts talking about Ohio like he talks about Oregon I'm going to be sick.
Even if Brian starts talking about Ohio State like he talks about Northwestern, I'll be sick.
not being truthful?! Nooooo. Don't believe it.
Maybe I'm the only one (neg away if I am), but Oregon's offense is very, very scary and I would rather OSU not run it (or at least not run it well). Oregon's offense is much more intimidating than Meyer's at Florida under Tebow was, IMO. Yikes.
We just need to give my good friend and yours Les Miles a call to learn how to
beat destroy that Oregon offense.
LSU (and Cal the year before) had success against Oregon by disrupting - or, in the case of LSU, manhandling - the Ducks' offensive line.
Auburn also slowed it down by having Nick Fairley kill everything that even resembled an inside run. Having a disruptive D-line is good no matter what, but the benefits are increased when it seems like that is the one thing that can slow the Oregon offense down.
The good news here is that it will likely take several years to get the system down and Ohio State fans don't strike me as a patient bunch.
Since OSU has a postseason ban this year, Urban has a full season to concentrate on installing his system with no real pressure to win (other than the Michigan game, of course). I think he'll be able to do it in 2 years, and make a serious run for a B1G title in '14, maybe even MNC if the cards fall right.
Also, from reading Tom Herman's comments, I think he's referring to speed more than playcalling. They'll be getting up to the line and snapping, but I'd expect it will be the same spread as at Florida, with a few new tricks here and there.
Is that how Ohio fans feel? No sarcasm intended - I'm just curious what the sentiment is out there with the sanctions applied and then having Meyer come in as a savior. I have a sneaking suspicion that we might hear some grumbling from the Ohio fanbase if the team doesn't win several more than it loses . . .
They have Michigan and Nebraska at home, and their toughest non-conference game is against Cal.
Most fans have written off this year since there's no bowl game. As long as Urban doesn't lose to UCF or UAB, I think he'll be OK. OSU's offense needs about a season long tune-up; the Bucks have no real O-line talent thanks to the Bolrus, and the receivers are still suspect. If OSU wins 7-8 games this year, one of them being Michigan, and the offense shows steady improvement throughout the season, Urban will be fine.
This is assuming that the defense continues to produce and Urban doesn't do anything stupid like start [unathletic white walk-on] in front of Braxton. If Urban comes in and the defense goes to hell, it could get really ugly fast.
His offense could lead to a lot of time on the field for the defense. I don't see their defense taking a complete crap, but my quick prediction would be that they aren't going to look elite by any stretch of the imagination.
Most Michigan fans didn't expect a good season in 2008, either. When it happens, it's not quite so rational. And Buckeyes aren't know for being rational, anyway.
While a 1st year may be pressure-free, a bad season undermines goodwill and fan patience for future disappointments.
The worst thing about the post-season ban, long-term, is missing out on several weeks of practice.
True about the bowl practices, which will hurt a bit, but I think that's offset by freeing Urban up to focus on recruiting for '14.
It's not just Michigan fans who can spin almost anything into a positive.
The importance of that Dec-Jan timeframe for recruiting seems to be diminishing a bit with all the early commitments. I don't think this is just my Michigan-biased perspective, but it could be. I'll stand corrected if Meyer flips a handful of high profile recruits.
I think our '13 class will be long since filled; we already have 10 commits for 15-17 scholarships. I wouldn't be surprised if we fill the class by August. No bowl gives Urb a chance to start recruiting for the next class (2014) and get a leg up on the competition.
And you can't do a lot of recruiting during the bowl practice period because of good deal of it is a dead (or at least quiet) period.
December 12: Quiet Period (for junior college prospects enrolling mid-year only) December 13-16: Dead Period (for junior college prospects enrolling mid-year only; staff may have contact with recruits who have been admitted for mid-year enrollment) December 17-18: Quiet Period (for junior college prospects enrolling mid-year only) December 19: Quiet Period December 20-January 3: Dead Period (staff may have contact with recruits who have been admitted for mid-year enrollment) January 9: Quiet Period January 10-13: Dead Period (staff may have contact with recruits who have been admitted for mid-year enrollment)
So, unless you're saying Urban is contacting players illegally, which, well, you know....
Modeling an offense off Oregon doesn't make them scary. Would you be intimidated if Indiana suddenly said they are going to emulate Oregon? If he instills the offense and then successfully recruits over the next four years to execute it like Oregon, it will be scary.
Indiana =/= tSIO.
Ohio has the caliber of player, the quarterback and the coach to make them scary.
TSIO won't be able to magically become Oregon on offense overnight anyway. In order to run that no-huddle system, they'll either need different offensive linemen or put their existing ones on the stairmaster for the next 6 months to get them into better shape. And I don't believe they have that kind of speed yet at the RB or receiver positions. This makes Dunn's decision all the more questionable. Besides, our ace-in-the-hole is still Mattison. He'll come up with a D to stop whatever Meyer comes up with.
Scary yes, but I'd be more scared if he said we're going to emulate Alabama's style of recruiting a pro team every year (isn't that Hoke's new strategy?). Oregon has yet to win a national championship, which to me says their system, while very frightening, is not the best system. You also have to take into account that it's going to be harder to run that offense in the Midwest than it would be in Florida or on the west coast because it's going to be cold as balls in November. This both slows down the speed guys (cold muscles) and hurts the stamina of the whole team (cold lungs). The offense will never be as potent as Oregon's, even if he matches it perfectly. Oh yeah, also the defenses in the Big Ten are a hell of a lot better than they are in the Pac, namely one Greg Mattison led Michigan defense. I definitely think Urban will have success, but it seems to me from all the comments he's made since going to Ohio, that he's got the blinders on when it comes to recognizing a different recruiting landscape, different types of opponents, and different pathway to the championship.
The "Oregon style" obviously refers to the speed of the offense, not the structure of it. It sounds like it's going to be a reasonably familiar Urban offense (there were certainly triple-option looks at Florida, even if they were uncommon) run at a break-neck pace. And I hate to say this, but Dunn will probably be just fine in it; while Oregon currently features a host of speed guys, Chip Kelly's offense really started differentiating itself with LaGarrette Blount, who was and is a massive bruiser.
Expect to see Dunn get a lot of dive looks with Miller being the speed guy around the corner.
And, unlike RR's first year, expect the OSU offense to do well. He may not have every component, but he has a quarterback who is blazing fast. Don't think it makes a difference? Watch some Denard highlights.
to crown them, then crown their ass.
You know what stops the spread/triple option really well? A bad ass linebacker corp. I'd say from what I've seen Mattison will have the guys ready to counter that. And if that doesn't work, Bolden will just distract them with his flow.
Yeah and URB has an Ok D unlike RR. I fully expect our D to be handing out snot bubbles that game.
Good thing he's got a year to work on it before they can play for anything.
In high school, we ran the triple option. It's extremely easy to defend. It's always fun being able to blast the pitch-man right when the ball's getting pitched his way. He never sees you coming.
The top four rushing teams from last year are all triple option teams (and number four Navy averaged 20YPG more than five Oregon). GT and AFA also scored more than Michigan did last year, with Navy back 3PPG and Army scoring 25PPG.
Given the talent level at the service academies, that seems pretty effective.
You can't just compare yards per game. Why? Because Navy only passes the ball only a couple of times per game!!! Of course they're going to have more yards on the ground compared to a balanced offensive attack.
Yards per carry would be a slighty more interesting statistic - then compare that against the average ranking of the opponent's defense, and you'll really have something there. But just saying "they had more rushing yards" when not factoring in all the variables, doesn't really hold a lot of weight, IMO.
The original claim was "extremely easy to defend". Teams that easy to defend don't rack up more rushing yards than anyone else in the nation or score more than an offense with Denard at QB.
I never made the claim that Navy, Army, AFA or GT had superior offenses to anyone in the country, only that they were effective offenses that are far from "extremely easy" to go up against.
I'd also add that it's easier to put up big numbers passing than rushing, so pass heavy teams will dominate the total yards comparision, even if everything else is totally equal.
1. All based on the teams you play. Troy, Western Kentucky and Delaware - pretty easy to pad the stats there. If we really wanted to do a deep dive (that is, if we really cared) - we could look at each individual game over the last couple of years, compare this to the ranking of the defense played on that day, and compare that to see if the stats were really out of whack by just pummeling a school named after an ancient city in modern day Turkey.
2. "Extremely" is indeed a relative term and no point in arguing about semantics. But I will say a talented defense with solid LB corp can pick apart a one-dimensional running team. Hence, you don't see any top teams in the country that are one-dimensional. You didn't make that argument, but just a generic statement there.
3. Agree. Again, all the more reason to compare yards per carry.
I don't think we're in disagreement about points two and three, although I will say that a talented defense with a solid LB corps will do well against the run in general, obviously including a triple option team.
As to point one, I'd argue that a team like Army or Navy has more or less equal talent to the bottomish teams on their schedule each year, so you could use the argument that, with roughly equal talent to other teams Troy played, they performed at a higher level. Again, I don't have the numbers to back this up (as it goes back to your statement that we don't really care) but I do suspect it's the case.
That obviously isn't the case for GT, although they finished fourth in ACC-only scoring (28.0PPG [UNC was third at 28.1]) which seems to indicate pretty solid performance against teams with roughly comperable talent.
I have no more disagreements with your statements.
Go blue! And since we're talking about the armed services schools - I hope we crush Air Force week 2 this year.
won't we when Air Force comes into town this year?
Tell that to some of the teams that have faced Georgia Tech the last few years.
If Norm Parker and a bunch of 3* Iowa players can figure it out, I assume Mattison and Michigan can do so.
Skip to ~2:00 for first of Iowa's defense.
About two thirds of my high school league ran a form of option ball. Our linebackers and safeties were experts at shutting it down. Then we played the one team in the league that ran a deep strike passing offense and they aired it out for 300+ yards on our sorry rear ends.
There is nothing superior about option ball, it is all what you prep for in practice. As long as Michigan keeps some speed in the LB level we'll be fine. You start running into trouble when you start using SDE sized guys at LB that can shut down the power run, but not the outside plays.
Maybe it's easy to defend in the UP (which is where I'm presuming you're from based on your username) where it's a lot of 5'10", 170 lb white kids running it. It's a whole other animal when it's D-1 college players
I'm from the UP, and you may overestimate the size of the players. My HS team had 5'10", 170 lb linemen. Although that was a few years ago. They probably grow 'em slightly bigger nowadays.
I've never seen them in action live, but I hear Menomonie runs a pretty sweet single wing-type offense.
Nothing in that article suggest that OSU's offense will be "modeled" on Oregon's. In fact the only thing about Oregon's offense that seems relevent is the uptempo no-huddle nature of it. They might as well have said it's modeled on Okie State's offense.
...that it will be modeled after Oregon? Look at the references by Buckeyes to Oregon as an example. You think it is just tempo? How about Miller talking about running the triple option and all you can run with it. Is that like Okie State? Do you think they are going to run a no-huddle offense that does a lot of things out of the triple option and still be mainly "pro style"?
Maybe they won't adopt the Oregon playbook verabtim, but this seems pretty similar to me.
The only thing the article says about Oregon is that Meyer wants to run his offense faster - like Oregon. It doesn't say that Meyer is changing his offense to be like Oregon's, as the headline stupidly suggests. Miller says that's he's going to run the triple option because that's Meyer's offense. It's the same offense he used at Florida. It's not Oregon's offense.
I didn't say that it would be like Okie State. I said that in as much OSU's offense will be "modelled" on Oregon's in the form of up-tempo, they might as well have said that it's "modelled" on Okie State's also very up-tempo offense.
if he said they were modeling their offense after the Texas State Armadillos first 6 or so games.
BAKULA AIR MAIL TO FEATHERSTONE - DROPPED AGAIN!
according to Jason LaCanfora. Probably worth someone starting a thread. Shocking, I know.
We don't need another Lynn Boden bust.
Well.....which is it? Is Urban Myer a liar in which case he is obviously NOT running anything approximating the Oregon offense because....well....a liar wouldnt be upfront and truthful now would he?
Or is Urban being honest here in his upcoming offense in which case can we PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE kill the whole "Urban Liar" meme once and for all?
And, for what it's worth, Dunn is NOT regreting his selection or wanting to "kill himself" because of the offense OSU is planning on running. Believe it or not some kids (especially those born here in Ohio) actually look forward to going to Ohio State and dont seem the least bit concerned over anything Meyer is doing right now. They like him.
Please stop using "Urban Liar" - I'd like to think that we are a more sophisticated bunch than our fellow citizens to the South and I'd like to think we express ourselves as such here. So please knock it off.
Stupid, juvenile nicknames
Most relevant to Michigan fans is the infamous "scUM," but this idiocy affects many fan bases. Any "State" school is liable to find a dollar sign replacing the S in their abbreviation. In a rush to damn the NCAA people will completely disregard the fact that "NCAA" doesn't have any S's in it and go ahead and make the same swap anyway. Penn State gets called "State Penn" whenever a player gets drunk and frisky. Morons spell out "University of Spoiled Children" over and over again to display their disdain for USC.
"scUM and the University of Spoiled Children are playing in the Ro$e Bowl because the NC$$ needs the money."
This person is a moron who is under the erroneous impression that he is being funny, like that one uncle who tells the same joke every Thanksgiving for 30 years. This affliction is always, always a sign that you can safely ignore anything the person says, as they are either twelve or have Down's Syndrome.
Insert bullet travelling at extremely high velocity into skull.
Most common with universities best described as "technically not high school" or fanbases in areas where there is no pro alternative. Obviously, then, this is an absolute plague amongst OSU fans, and is rampant at MSU as well.
"tOSU" is permissible to use in a slightly disdainful fashion since OSU fans tend to use it themselves.
Unfortunately, this also applies to our fanbase (though, from what I see, not to the same extent).
But thankfully it doesn't apply as much to MGoBlog, which is why I spend my time here instead of MLive, Bucknuts or RCMB. People busting out gems like Urban Liar, Brady cHoke, SCum or whatever get negged 'round these parts.
I'm pretty sure Oregon has a good offense.
So, weed-powered then?
This doesn't make me feel good to type. But Florida, under Meyer, was a spread team with a consistently good defense.
Meyer didn't run a no huddle spread. I think it is the up tempo speed (and lack of rest for the defense) that gives most of these prolific offensive teams a defensive problem.
You can run no huddle, up-tempo out of practically any offense. All it takes is the ability to call plays at the line and the conditioning to do it. You see this all the time in the NFL, when teams use it as a spark or to get in rhythm.
Fine, if spread and no-huddle is the metric, look to Oklahoma. FEI has them in the top 20 each of the last five years. Total defensive stats they rank lower, but they see a lot more plays (and a lot more explosive offenses). On a per-play basis, they've been consistently good on defense while running a no-huddle spread.
What style offense you run doesn't effect your defense. If you you have the guys to consistently force a 3 and out, it doesn't matter if your offense scores in 2 minutes or 6 minutes. You seem to be focused on teams that have succesfully run spread, up-tempo systems while ignoring the fact that the same teams have operated at a talent defficiency compared to some of the other big time teams. It's easier to mask deficiencies on offense than it is on defense.
In that case I am going to start a footoball team right now!
We will be the best of the 2007 Patriots + Oregon's offense. And on defense we will be the 1985 bears with a pinch of the Steel Curtain.
Wow this coaching stuff is easier than I thought!
Just ask this guy:
Living in Ohio, I don't have the sense that it is a breeding ground for the type of player that seems to be featured in the Oregon style of offense. So if Meyer is looking elsewhere for these guys, it should make even more Ohio prospects available to Hoke. I have always had the sense that the kids from Michigan and Ohio appreciate the rivalry more than others, and that you need a solid core of those kids to raise your game for that matchup. Not that kids from Florida or California don't appreciate it, but a core of local guys brings an intensity that has grown over maybe 10 years instead of three or four. It'll be interesting to see what a radical change in offense and related recruiting changes does for the rivalry.
This is actually one of the things that annoy me most about reporting. EVERY SPREAD OFFENSE DOES NOT = OREGON'S OFFENSE.
When people look at spread offenses they always use Oregon as the example, but to be honest, they are not the best example. Nobody else runs that tempo effectively in the country and other spread offenses typically don't even come close. IN fact, Tom Herman (Osu's Off Coord) doesn't really use that system and attempting to ram it in probably isn't going to work that well, seeing as Iowa st's offense was horrid compared to Oregon's.
People need to stop freaking out about this. Michigan ran the spread offense the last few years too and ours looked nothing like Oregon's offense. I anticipate theirs will look a lot closer to our old offense than it will to Oregon's. Plus, Oregon's offense takes a long time to get going well, so if they want to use that, fine with me, they're very far from being able to run that well
He’s been running this type of playbook for a long time. Longer than Oregon has. He’s really one of the greatest innovators of the Spread Option. Here’s a link to a PowerPoint presentation that includes a bunch of plays from Meyer’s playbook at Utah. Obviously won’t be exactly the same, but gives you an idea. No idea if this will work:
Yes. There's zero in the article that says Meyer is planning to do anything different beside run his offense faster, which is where the Oregon comparison comes into play.
I hate when articles are misleading. Here is the real summary.
1. OSU will run Urban Meyers offense not Oregon's.
2. OSU will try to operate Urban's offense at Oregon's tempo which is no huddle hurry up.
yes... always helpful to have a 300 pound DT who runs a 4.5-4.6... whatever he ran. freak.
I really don't care what offense they run. What matters is us fielding an elite defense consistently. Any offense can be stopped when faced with a good D.
I can't wait to hear all the lame excuses from Buckeye fans who droned on for the last four years about how the spread can't work in the B1G.
Worse yet - what if it works!
Have fun doing that in 35 degree weather.
What do you mean?
He means you have to have balls to run this type of offense (don't ask why, just accept that as fact). And we all know what happens when it gets cold.
Ohio, Michigan State and hundreds of commenters on this very blog were at all adamant about that fact and then pointed at Michigan 2008-2010 and Rich Rod to proclaim "See! Toldjaso!", "We should be running the NE Patriots offense instead yadayada...".
Now Urban Meyer is coming in trying scare people with "Oregon" talk and how "committed" he is, and suddenly we're all supposed to be nervous. Wasn't it the best Big Ten scoring and rushing defense that rattled Oregon in the Rose Bowl a few years back?
He's a good coach and a great recruiter and will do well at Ohio IMO. Tom Herman did a nice job at Iowa State and will probably make Ohio's offense more exciting than anyone remembers.
Ultra fast no huddle?
But Oregon's success was finesse (largely because of their QBs and skilled players) and ultra high speed no huddle. They'd show a stopwatch on the screen to show how ridiclous it was - like in 5 seconds they ran the next play. Michigan and Northwestern never did that before, so we'll see.
Flexbone/Wishbone attack over 2 years. The loss was by 2 points, 25-27 in 2010.
There's a youtube video about Hoke's preparation for Air Force's option attack where he got pretty animated about how important it was to stop that lead back (fullback) because that's were the nightmare really starts. Shut that down consistently and the other pieces become manageable. Not sure I agree with that, but as a past UM DL coach, he probably still has night terrors of Donovan McNabb in 1998.
but bring another (downhill) wrinkle to the spread. And I don't see why anyone thinks that the fact that a couple of spread coaches have not had good Ds means the two things are mutually exclusive.
I'll just hope that they struggle to put it together this year. By 13-14 we're unstoppable!
It's hardly new for Ohio either after using dual-threat QBs for so long. This seems like much ado about nothing.
Too bad Justin Boren doesn't have another year of eligibility left...
you're going to install a new, flashy, high-octane style offense with personel that don't exactly fit it, in a traditionally defensive-minded league. If you go 3-9 this year (which I doubt but here's hoping), there just might be something to this Rich Rodriguez comparison that people are talking about.
Bring it on bitches. M defensively will be the one team in the B10 that will most emulate a SEC style defense, and we know how Oregon is against those.