February 3rd, 2015 at 11:43 AM ^
February 3rd, 2015 at 4:09 PM ^
The coaches have a great selection from which to choose, but they'll have some disappointment to manage with guys who aren't getting snaps.
February 3rd, 2015 at 11:44 AM ^
Every kid over signed to OSU is another kid that will be sent to Youngstown St. and more importantly wont end up at Michigan.
It's a win-win-win for Urban.
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February 3rd, 2015 at 12:00 PM ^
That's, that's Ole Miss's music!
February 3rd, 2015 at 2:33 PM ^
February 3rd, 2015 at 11:46 AM ^
February 3rd, 2015 at 11:49 AM ^
Harbaugh will be doing Urban a favor by flipping Weber now. /s
February 3rd, 2015 at 1:37 PM ^
Webers heart is with Michigan , but his head is with Ohio State. He is torn. If he commits to OSU , why do I keep thinking he's going to end up like Bri'onte Dunn.
February 3rd, 2015 at 2:40 PM ^
Too bad we can't tweet this to Webber - see prior thread!
February 3rd, 2015 at 11:46 AM ^
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February 3rd, 2015 at 11:54 AM ^
My problem, which others may not agree with, is the shady nature I believe a lot of this is done with. I am not saying Urban is bad or worse then anyone else, but I don't like it if a coach is making all these promises to a kid and then two years in, if the kid isn't living up to his perceived potential coach tells the kid he won't have a scholarship next year.
I know we often refer to these college athletes as kids, but the ones committing to these schools are in fact kids. I think they should be able to see through the lies and know they may be cut, but a lot of them don't. If a coach tells a kid he can come in, compete and if he doesn't earn the job he won't have a scholarship and the kid still goes there, I am fine with that, that is being upfront. I just don't believe coaches are doing this.
The guaranteed 4 year scholarship would solve a lot of my concerns, and others may not agree with them, but that is why I view this oversigning as a problem.
February 3rd, 2015 at 11:58 AM ^
Even now you can't just pull a kid's scholarship. It's a contract. As long as the student athlete fulfills his obligations (minimum GPA, going to practice, no drugs, etc) he will have a scholarship.
Now coaches will usually push kids to transfer if they don't pan out...but no one can force them to.
February 3rd, 2015 at 12:28 PM ^
Most schools issue one year renewable scholarships that can be renewed as the coach wishes. If the student athlete isn't living up to expectations the coach just doesn't renew his scholarship for the next year.
February 3rd, 2015 at 12:34 PM ^
B1G requires 4 year scholarship.
February 3rd, 2015 at 12:36 PM ^
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February 3rd, 2015 at 2:52 PM ^
February 3rd, 2015 at 12:02 PM ^
Recruiting was one of the reasons that Meyer was despised by many SEC coaches. If anyone thinks that Meyer will be any different in the B1G than he was anywhere else, they thought wrong.
February 3rd, 2015 at 12:13 PM ^
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February 3rd, 2015 at 1:47 PM ^
February 3rd, 2015 at 4:12 PM ^
So why is he starting now?
February 3rd, 2015 at 11:48 AM ^
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February 3rd, 2015 at 12:47 PM ^
It already came out that redshirt juniors Chris Carter and Antonio Underwood aren't going to be back for a 4th year(and Brionte Dunn is rumored to be leaving). OSU was one of the first B1G schools to guarantee the 4 year scholarship (before it was mandatory). They've already given an available scholarship to a walkon (the one Sarac turned down because he didn't financially need it).
Sorry, I know none of that fits the narrative of this topic though.
Urban's paying players, his kids ain't come to play school, aided and abetted a murderer, etc.
February 3rd, 2015 at 2:17 PM ^
The article specifies that it takes into account that Chris Carter and Antonio Underwood won't be returning.
February 3rd, 2015 at 3:39 PM ^
But if OSU signs Isaiah Prince and KJ Hill tomorrow (and doesn't lose Gibson or Weber), they'll be at 91. Let's say Dunn transfers and the long snapper commit grayshirts (because there is already a LS on the roster, a SR. I'd imagine the commit knew this would likely happen). 89.
LB Devan Bogard has had 3 ACL tears, he's likely done. Dylan Thompson (rs FR) shattered his kneecap in August, Kyle Berger (rs FR) suffered his second ACL tear in August. Worst case that none of them are available next year puts the roster at 86.
Marshon Lattimore (rs FR) and James Clark (rs FR) are also coming back from ACL tears. Worst case there puts the roster under that 85 number with all of Spring and Fall practices upcoming. (which is where Lattimore, Thompson, and Berger all were injured).
Point is that it is probably a good idea to be 3 or so over because of injuries. It would almost be sillier to be right at the 85 figure and have a couple guys go down far enough after Signing Day that there are slots that can't be filled.
As I read it, it struck me as if not a clickbait-y article, certainly a bad title, and the author (who is pretty good imo) admits he's not concerned about the numbers in the comment section. Again, its easy to take digs at Urban, but he's really not doing anything wrong here. Jones at TN and Petrino at Louisville pulling committed recruits' schollies to give to other players? That shit's wrong.
Edit- damn, methinks I doth protest too much.
February 3rd, 2015 at 4:46 PM ^
You and buckeyejonross are arguing with reason ...
Don't you get that people around here just want to feel better.
It doesn't matter what has transpired the last four years as Brady Hoke and staff somehow managed to get to 85 after signing a few over each year. And even then by the time fall practice came around they had a few schollies to give to key walk-ons.
Clearly Michigan has done this ethically, and Ohio State is as slippery as Ole' Miss or Les Miles at LSU .... /s
February 3rd, 2015 at 6:47 PM ^
For the record, I don't think 89 at this point is a big deal, especially since it assumes all the reported verbal commitments are going to sign their LOI tomorrow and hopefully that won't happen.
February 3rd, 2015 at 11:51 AM ^
The NCAA doesn't care about this so why not do it? It's obviously not the moral thing to do, but there are no consequences right now for ruining kid's lives to make sure you have the best.
Butch Jones at Tennessee has taken nearly 60 commits in his first two classes at Tennessee - Kevin Sumlin the same - Alabama the same in Saban's first two years. You do the math if that makes sense with virtually zero attrition.
February 3rd, 2015 at 12:02 PM ^
"The NCAA doesn't care about this so why not do it? It's obviously not the moral thing to do,"
I think you answered your own question.
February 3rd, 2015 at 12:12 PM ^
Then your two options are:
1.) Be moral and lose - which we've been exceptional at lately.
2.) Do what the elites are doing and win with absolutely zero punishment.
I'm somewhat of a firm believer that is the direction we are headed. Be an elite program and bend the rules or be mediocre and "do things the right way." You decide.
February 3rd, 2015 at 2:18 PM ^
The goal is to win while doing things the right way. That's the Michigan way.
I refer you to Hackett's comments about this very thing during the coaching search.
February 3rd, 2015 at 2:25 PM ^
There is also the option of acting in a moral manner and winning. Michigan did that for years.
February 6th, 2015 at 4:45 PM ^
Michigan did do that for years in 1997 - 2001. That was great fourteen years ago before social media, cell phones, or the spread offense. That's not how things work anymore. Every program that has played in the national championship the last five years has had some sort "pay for play, oversigning, or dirty dog scandal" to sift through.
Alabama, Florida State, Oregon, Ohio State, LSU, Auburn, and Florida have all had NCAA issues and had slaps on the wrist. The game is simple: bend the rules or go 5-7 and replace your coach hoping to win every three years. I'm just speaking anecdotally here in stating I don't think you can be an elite program anymore without a little rule bending.
February 3rd, 2015 at 2:31 PM ^
I'd chose not cheating or bending the rules. I think it sets a poor example for impressionable young people. No different that screaming at and humiliating them to motivate them. These are the ways you mold young men into Ray Rice types. No amount of wins is worth that.
February 3rd, 2015 at 11:52 AM ^
Man, it took me until the defensive lineman to realize that Sr. was not part of a guy's name. I thought that a really large percentage of OSU players named their kids after themselves. I must still be asleep.
February 3rd, 2015 at 11:54 AM ^
That's only 4 over right now. And you know some players will transfer in the offseason, leave, get kicked off the team, etc. Not to mention I'm sure they will have some decommits tomorrow.
If it was like 100 it might be something to dig into.
February 3rd, 2015 at 12:04 PM ^
I'd consider any team not between 85 and 90 after signing day to not be doing their job. You're going to have unexpected early draft entries, behavioral dismissals, transfers, injuries, academic issues and what not between now and start of fall practice. Having a little cushion is OK. It's the teams that are still at 90 one week away from Fall practice that's a problem. A scholarship athlete figures out after spring ball that he's not going to play, he has the summer to transfer and he shows up for Fall classes / practice and gets a chance either immediately or in one year. With the way scouting has exploded in the NFL, just being from a 1-AA or D2 school is not the death sentence on pro possibilities it once was. I'm 100% against the SEC way of business which is to have over 100 kids on scholarship after signing day, using Spring practice as an extended try-out, then cutting kids a week before fall term starts (looking at you LSU and Alabama).
February 3rd, 2015 at 11:57 AM ^
The NCAA will likely grant them a waiver to have extra players.
February 3rd, 2015 at 12:24 PM ^
That's what you get when you have an ex-SEC coach who wins a National Championship, right?
February 3rd, 2015 at 12:31 PM ^
I thought the B1G allowed oversigning by a maximum of three players, and then only with justifcation.
The B1G can control this practice if it chooses to do so but it puts all B1G teams at a competitive disadvantage. I have never understood why the NCAA has failed to come up with guidelines, other than politics and pressure from those conferences that allow the practice.
February 3rd, 2015 at 2:28 PM ^
I think that limitation means you can sign no more than 28 in a given year.
February 3rd, 2015 at 11:57 AM ^
What's the maximum for a team? 85? This doesn't seem like too big a deal with attrition being what it is. We've already had two (three?) players leave for elsewhere.
February 3rd, 2015 at 12:37 PM ^
I think its a big deal because UMs attrition, for the most part (and I'm generalizing here) has occurred prior to NSD. Plenty of guys have had their time with the coaching staff and know where they sit with everything. I feel pretty confident saying that after tomorrow, UM won't be over the 85 limit. Right now, urban MF'er meyer is 4 over the limit and they are still in play for a number of other recruits.
Fuck him. Fuck osu.
Edit: And because the "roster management" is going to have to occur after NSD, you're forcing the hands of the kids that have to leave. You're not giving them an acceptable set of options by taking on more recruits than you have room for. Its BS.
February 3rd, 2015 at 12:00 PM ^
The schools and NCAA say they don't need to pay kids because they're promised an education. Well when a school cuts you for underperforming, do you really think that kid is going to stay at that school to finish his degree? No, he's almost certainly going to want to finish his football career elsewhere - likely at worse school academically.
The schools and the NCAA can claim they don't make anyone do that, but we all know that's how it works and the schools know that. Use em and lose em