The Big Ten determined that both Ohio and Penn State are eligible to be Leaders division champions, despite the fact that they would not appear in the Big Ten Championship game per Rittenberg.
Ohio & Penn State Eligible to Win Division Title
way to make total sense, B1G!
I need some sinsemilla after reading that
a+ you ****ing idiots. way to potentially reward a team under sanctions.
I think the Big 10 knows that having to look at a banner that says "Leaders Division Champion" would just be futher punishment.
Like that really matters though. Is OSU gonna put a banner up if they win it? No, it means nothing.
I don't know.. it's almost like winning the AL Central. There's something worth recognizing there.. although it's not nearly as impressive. (that's all I got.)
Not really though, winning the AL central is more like winning the B10 since it puts you in the playoffs automatically (fits better to basketball, but maybe with football too soon)
This makes absolutely no sense.
Go work, B1G.
So an official division runner-up could represent the conference at the Rose Bowl? wut.
Could they? If OSU can win their division, but then the runner up (Wisc?) of their division would play for the B1G title. In that case, if they win the game they'd still be B1G Champions... so i don't see anything wrong with that.
I mean, an official division runner-up can win the National Championship, so.... yea.
Clearly we must institute a four team conference playoff to ensure this doesn't happen again.
He appears to be letting out one impressive fart here.
Nice. Louie is the best show on tv.
Why does this make no sense to people?
OSU and PSU are banned from POSTSEASON play. There's nothing stopping the B1G from awarding them the title of REGULAR SEASON Leaders Divsion Champions.
It doesnt make sense because who plays in the (ALL CAPS) POST SEASON CHAMPIONSHIP GAME? (STILL CAPS) REGULAR SEASON DIVISON WINNERS!!!
So your going to feature a BIG championship game where you have awarded the title to a team thats ineligible so you get a 6-6 UCLA team playing against Oregon and getting smoked. Give the dang title to someone who's actually eligible to win in the first place and make it a non story at the end of the year.
wiggle room to dis Wisconsin for the B1G Championship Game if they don't win the Woody Division.
So a 6-6 UCLA team playing against Oregon and getting smoked is acceptable, only if UCLA is given the title????
This changes NOTHING. If Ohio or Penn State has the best record in the division, the second (or, theoretically, third if Oho & Penn State finish first and second) is going to the B1G Championship game. Who cares if the "division title" goes to the ineligible school in first place or the eligible school in second/third???
I just don't get your point about UCLA, at all. I don't even know if the Pac 12 gave the title to USC or UCLA, and it doesn't matter. UCLA was going to play in the title game regardless. And it's the same this year with Ohio & Penn State.
So, why, again, doesn't it make sense?
Incredible. Just, incredible.
Hardware Sushi's diary from about a year ago. If you made this comparison independantly I'm guessing you'll get at least a few laughs out of this (I cracked up at the time).
Just like B1G.
Lets confuse the issue. Common sense says that since they are banned from post season, they cannot play for the Big10 Championship...therefore they should not be eligible to win the division in which they play. THE END.
of a legendarily snark-worthy sort.
Doesn't the B1G provide the national media with enough good material already?
Under this ruling, Ohio or Penn State could be the Leaders Division champion and win the trophy. But someone else would play in the title game, and if that team beat the Legends Division champion, then the Big Ten champion would be someone other than a division champion. Champions galore!
If they finished in first place, they would have clearly won the division. Regardless of whether or not you give them the title, the runner-up (or third place finisher) would be playing in the title game. I'm sure UCLA isn't going around beating there chest saying they were a division winner last year with a 6-6 record.
Maybe they will give out participation ribbons. Like Tee Ball.
I don't understand how ruling bodies like the NCAA and B1G can make easy decisions seem so stupid. Break rules = punishment. Sure, there are lots of other considerations but bending to those just make you look stupid in the public eye and make people more likely to skirt rules than not. Just levy the punishment.
Ineligible (for anything) = potentially less revenue from ticket and merchandise sales. I mean c'mon, who wouldn't want a "B1G Leaders Division Champions*" jersey?
Jeeze now that they can actually win something OSU is going to be all over ESPN...
In addition, even though Penn State & Ohio aren't eligible to play in the championship game, if one of the two teams happen to win the leaders division, they will be allowed to play. However, if by chance one of those two teams win the championship game, the win won't be considered a win but will just be considered a big kick in the nuts to every other Big Ten team.
I wonder what one would call a division winner that cannot play in the conference title game? Are Ohio and Penn State content with possibly being called "Leaders Division Champion Without Portfolio" if it came to that? How about "Division Champion, In Solo Nomine" (pardon the rusty Latin)? How kind of the Big Ten to ensure some form of patronage to all in the division despite everything.
Under the old system, would a team under NCAA sanctions have been eligible to win the B1G title if they had the best record?
This won't matter after Wisconsin wins the division.
penn state will be "eligible" to go to a bowl game in four years.
doesn't mean they will.
This applies to Indiana every year.
I hope they enjoy it while they watch another team play in their spot.
They won't even come close to winning it this year anyways so who cares?
Why would a team from the MAC be eligible to win the Leaders Division? I realize they beat PSU last week, but let's not get completely carried away with how good they are.
We want to fire Delaney? I know we don't like the division names (and who knows how much of that is on him) but starting the BTN and snatching Nebraska were both big deals, right? Just like Dave Brandon, I feel like people get worked up over the stupid things while ignore the big things they've done in their positions.
I don't really mind this. I think it's ridiculous that Wisconsin gets a free ride to the championship. Maybe they should mix divisions around. Or even just waive the game because we don't have 12 eligible teams anyway.
Ehh fuck it, it's still stupid.
of Double Secret Probation, does it not ?
On a minor note it was also announced that
the Divisions will henceforth be known as
Pretentious & Pedantic.
Me thinks this is a "tremendous"ly bad use of the beauty that is the new B1G division set up.
Realignment COMING ANY TIME SOON there Jim?
PSU will not be an issue. This might apply to Ohio, regardless we can make fun of the "Wisconsin invitational" thus year.
Also on thus note new divisions with the 10 year PSU team.
East (cross over) West
We lose the Jug game but it hasn't bothered UM in the past when they were off the schedule.
Who would hang a "2012 Legends Division Champions" banner from any self-respecting rafters? Gross.
if Urban had a little temper tantrum on the phone with the B1G office. After all he does have quite the reputation for "whining" to get what he wants. Now he can say he won the biggest prize available in his first year. Delaney then added PSU because ... well there is NO chance they win anything for a while ....
This is on a coworkers cabinet in the office. This is why I as a person born and raised in Ohio, became a Michigan fan.
What a JOKE the people in those offices are.
I'm sorry, but I really don't understand what the problem here is. I've seen a lot of people use the argument that because of this, if Ohio or Penn State wins the division title but the second place team goes to Indy and wins the conference, it means a team will win the conference without winning the division...but that's true either way, obviously.
If Ohio is 7-1 and Wisconsin is 6-2, Wisconsin is the 2nd place team in the division. If they win the conference championship game, that means a 2nd place team won the conference championship game. Why is this acceptable if Wisconsin is given a phony division title, but not acceptable is Ohio is given the division title? The standings will remain the same - Ohio one, Wisconsin two. (At least until Ohio inevitably vacates all wins.)
I mean, who got the Pac 12 South Division Title last year? USC or UCLA? Does anybody care? I know I don't. It's not going to change the fact that the second best team in that division played in the conference championship game, even if UCLA was given a paper division title. Does the Pac 12 even award "Division Titles"? Why does the B1G award Division Titles?
Either way, to me it makes the most sense that the Division Title is given to the team that has the best record in the regular season. It's a regular season thing. The Conference Championship is a postseason game, so they're ineligible for that. When the Division Champion is ineligible, they send the second place team instead. Miami (YTM) was given a Big East Co-Championship despite being ineligible for postseason play(I looked up the first banned team winning a conference that I could think of off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others, and it's entirely possible that others were not given an official Conference Championship).
This is just my opinion, but if you have the best record, you're the Division Champion, even if you're ineligible to play in the postseason. That's not "rewarding" them for cheating any more than allowing them to win games when they score more points than their opponent, even though they're ineligible to play in the postseason.
But you seem to be missing two key issues.
1.) They are under sanctions. Why even bring any attention to it and make it appear that you are not 100% behind the punishment of those teams.
2.) What is the rationale for making this point? Being in Ohio, I have to listen to those around me stating that Ohio will run the table this year and finish 12-0. They honestly believe that there is a chance that they could get enough votes to split a title. We've all seen Delaney make exceptions for Ohio in the past when he allowed ineligible players to participate in a bowl game so that his beloved flagship, at the time, would not lose once again to an SEC program. It is almost as if he is stoking a fire early in order to feed the machine for some grand scheme in the end.
Wait, so you're telling me the big ten is making changed just for Ohio? This can't be........................