It sucks if it's true, but the only people who care outside of Michigan and Ohio are schools that got punished more severely, and their voices won't be taken seriously. I hope the rumors are false.
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
It sucks if it's true, but the only people who care outside of Michigan and Ohio are schools that got punished more severely, and their voices won't be taken seriously. I hope the rumors are false.
Early on in the process the PAC12 made some noise about watching this closely and that they wouldn't tolerate a double standard. We'll have to see what they do.
Likely not much though because I doubt they want the NCAA to dig any deeper at Oregon. We could very well have a deal along the lines of no bitching over the tOSU sanctions in exchange for that whole "Chip Kelly pays people thousands of dollars" thing not getting looked at.
You know that half of your posts start with "seriously" and end with calling someone out?
"but the only people who care outside of Michigan and Ohio are schools that got punished more severely"
You repeat yourself. What absolutely stuns me about this whole situation is that Michigan is going to be punished more severely by the NCAA for something that even the NCAA said was hugely overblown (practice time, obviously), than OSU for illegal benefits. If I had any respect left for the NCAA, I would have lost it by now.
Exactly. Ohio fans keep claiming how severe their self imposed sanctions were but now they ended up with a better coach...
Better coach? I know Meyer got two titles at Florida, but I would rather have him at OSU vs Tressel any day. JT owned Ohio recruiting. Meyer will do well, but not as good as Tressel.
How the hell would we know how well Meyer will do?
...it just might, unortunately. All the NCAA is doing is encouraging teams to not self-report major violations while inundating the system with minor infractions. Not bothering to investigate on their own, because the NCAA does not have the man-power or will or resources? to do it themselves. Michigan did things the right way with the MBB program as well was with stretchgate; however, we obviously did way more than we had to.
not just for the sake of them not profiting from so much cheating, but also the message it'll send to all the other schools in the NCAA one way or the other. If Ohio breaks as many rules as it did and basically moons and flips off the NCAA in the process and nothing comes of it then pretty soon every school will be pulling a page from the Ohio/UNC book. Ohio will bounce back from sanctions in time, but nothing good can come from glossing over their overwhelming, and deliberate graft.
Its messed up to think they could come out of this whole thing even better than they did before it started. They got a more successful coach than they had before. Someone needs to do something about the NCAA, theyre the real problem with college football.. Its all about money, somehow they're benefiting from Ohio
...then I sincerely hope USC and a few other schools raise ten levels of hell. When it comes to the NCAA:
I'd think that USC will lose it if tOSU doesn't get hit hard. Being out in LA, I can say that they were pissed when the OSU/Miami stories became public, especially with Miami. If tOSU gets off easy, I'd expect USC to be pretty vocal about it. And they should be.
People forget that the bowl ban and scholly ban to USC potentially costs the PAC 12 millions in revenue. USC had the Rose Bowl locked down every other year for the better part of the decade. It's not simply Ohio not being "punished" in a manner similar to USC but, rather, the economic implications to the conference as a whole.
The fact that USC is the darling of a giant media market while Columbus is Columbus will only magnify the USC perception of getting screwed over. That is good.
The NCAA really had no choice with usc. The facts were laid out in transcript and the facts clear. The NCAA had to do. ... . somthing. They did. Here, the only way anything is going to happen if there is a suit, deps are taken, and facts are clear. Right now, they are not, nor is there any reason to believe they will be. It looks like we know what happened, on many occaisions, but the only people who have admitted anything are former players now in the pros, and not under oath. If the oppotuity to depose Pryor comes up soon, I suppose there is a chance,BUT, at this point, he's in the NFL, and absent an agent suing him for money he will not be compelled to testiry. Ohio sure as hell isn't going to sue Pryor to recoup the schoilie is it? I suppose the espn suit could unearth something, but even then, unless its crazy ridcuculous admissions, it's not likely to lead to much without testimony.
Tressel emails? Christopher Cicero testimony--under oath? Hmmmm . . .
Still, I'm not confident the NCAA will do anything.
anything new in this thread. Move along.....
Pope Urban III is infallible.
I heard they were going to let Ohio have two coaching staffs indefinitely. They said it really helps in recruiting.
I'd give the +1.
My incompetence made me sad.
Click the "moderate" button. It is set to "normal" by default, which is a +1 (there are other options, too, some +1 and some -1). I refuse to see the word "sad" next to a picture of Denard.
Only appears after 100 mgoblog points.
jumped in to your conversation here but about the plus 1, but where is the moderate button? Your help is much appreciated, but if you feel the need to flamebait me, at least explain to me how thats done as well. GO BLUE!
As big blue said, it looks like it only appears once you hit 100 points and are a "trusted user." On a somewhat related note, I know its a lost cause at this point, but man do I miss the upvote/downvote system of the old board.
The upvote/downvote system made so much more sense.
Yes and no.
I think people are minusing posts and threads that they don't agree with which IMO is incredibly immature. Whatever happened to the phrase "I disagree with your point of view but I will fight to protect it" or something like that.
Don't get me wrong there are times where posts are rude and obstructive which, case by case, should be minused all the points.
The main difference is that in this system the Mods have the power to really down vote somebody. We regular users can still hide comments which has a similar effect.
All in all, I like this system due to the recent practice I described above. I do miss the pos bang though.
The old system was better. Pure democracy of the neg and the potential trip to Bolivian.
the last line of the W is clearly extending through the space between the index and middle fingers
A few explanations are in order.
To sum up: avoid talking and asking about points, put up informative posts, give good analysis, be civil, and even potentially break something new that the Michigan fanbase wants to hear about, and your point total will gradually increase.
I was under the impression that the 2nd rule of points was also: don't talk about points. Maybe that was another movie, though.
If a man were truly negged.
It can only be to Bolivian.
"I guess I'm gonna fade into Bolivian." - Mike Tyson
Can you buy points?
I'll be surprised if Ohio is not allowed extra scholarships to make up for the pain and suffering during this frivalous investigation into their more thazn pious institution of higher learning and integrity.
With Smith on the basketball committee, how could we ever think the NCAA would even slap them on the wrist. They wll protect their own and probably give them the Sugar Bowl money back plus interest.
Seriously though, if Tressel doesn't get a show-Cause for lying to the NCAA (their Cardinal sin) and covering it up, won't Bruce Pearl and others go bananas?
Add Dez Bryant to that list. How many millions did the nCaa cost him with draft position when he had to sit out his whole season for him lying about a free lunch?
when you are in prison you have all the time in the world to read books such as "The Art of War."
it is cool that he is bettering himself, but if he never shot himself would he be a bookworm today?
Where's the next pic where the button loses?
Dang, these buttons are good.
The NCAA is a hypocritical wreck if Ohio doesn't get punished. Wait.....they already are (i.e. Michigan practice bullshit).
if those fucking fucks on the banks of the oldngrungy get away with a slap on the wrist then the NCAA has no balls, morals, ethics, back bone, etc.. they will no longer be a functioning governing body to over see collegiate athletics. it is a fucking embarrassment. fuck em. God i hate that fucking school, they are a bunch of fuckwads (including their fans). i hope this opens a can of worms for the NCAA and i hope USC goes after their asses with a vengance.
FUCK OHIO STATE
because money talks, bullshit walks.
But how do you really feel?
anger management classes. But I totally agree with every f'ing word. I want them tro get totally screwed by the NCAA, but it will never happen. I have never had so little faith in my fellow man as I have with the NCAA in this case. NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING will happen to them.
to be disappointed.
And then let the NCAA face an anti-trust lawsuit from USC and get totally and utterly demolished.
Seriously an army of M lawyers would provide free legal counsel if there was an argument. I dont see a case. Whats the claim?
USC would have, but I remember reading something along the lines of an institution like the NCAA unfairly discriminating against certaing members, i.e. harsh punishment for USC, light punishment for Ohio, violates anti-trust law. I'll work on finding the article.
There has got to be enough ethical/conflict of interest stuff here to at least blow up the entire inner sanctum ot the NCAA! If what Meyer is saying to recruits is true, and those at Ohio knew well in advance of the final hearing/announcement of findings and penalties what was going to transpire, then I think it is also safe to assume that there was some influence over the decision making process as well.
If nothing else happens, Ohio has cost MSU more than they cost themselves. The NCAA should certainly look at what one school's violations cost other schools, i.e. a Sugar Bowl Appearance, a Big 10 Championship (Wouldn't it have been outright for MSU last year w/o the 3-way tie or am I mistaken?)
At any rate, I suppose we should reserve meltdown mode for 3PM to avoid looking like a bunch of whiners.
Uhh. . . . . They are not scared of this. In fact, the SEC and Ohio, and Oregon(nike) are basically begging for this now!
this year I think it is VERY obvious that the tsio owns not only the NCAA's gonads, but the replay officials too. I am actually VERY surprised that the blocked extra point at Purdue wasn't reviewed ... and then determined that Purdue was offsides.
Moral of the story .... cheat (for a decade), give players money, tattoos and cars (drugs? - no way huh), then get caught, the lie, cheat and lie again. Fire the coach ... no wait - he retired (gets his retirement money - bribery?) ..... oh poop .... oh well, time to get a new coach anyway. NCAA sanctions - WTF everyone is innocent, but we'll remove 5 schollies over the next 3 years. Bowl ban .... are you kidding - we are That school in ohio!
I don't think the NCAA will visit the concept of sanctions until the World Wide Leader's Supreme Court of Ohio FERPA lawsuit is settled. The World Wide Leader is investing a lot of resources into chasing the Tressel/Sarniak email trail...now why would that be?
I suspect the NCAA is at least somewhat aware of what is contained in those emails and if/when their content is released to the World Wide Leader any premature ruling on a lack of sanctions etc would make the NCAA look far more toothless, ineffective and in Ohio's pocket.
It's not like ESPN is bringing a knife to a gunfight on this one, either. They got scooped on the first set of Ohio problems but it looks like they are in it for the long run on this one.
This would piss USC off.
But more importantly, ThadMattasagoblin?! Really?! For the life of me I can't figure out why but I'm totally cool with it.
If I had to break this news I would leak the info out ahead of time as well.
to the last few weeks when there were numerous signs nothing would happen to Ohio or to the last 20 years of NCAA impotence.
Its been clear for awhile that Ohio was basically going to get off scott free.
reading somewhere that USC would really look into suing the NCAA if Ohio did not receive worse/similar santctions that they did. Would love to see how that turns out...
Fortunately (because I"m sick of this bullshit), or unfortunately (becuase Ohio won't be punished) this is the way it is likely to come down. The NCAA is nothing without schools like Michigan, or OSU, or the Big 10 or the SEC. If the NCAA comes down harshly, they speed the exodus of fhe major conferences from the NCAA and into a separate playoff, which we've been discussing from some time. In all seriousness, the SEC, Big 10, Big 12 and maybe the PAC no longer need the NCAA anyway. Why not a four division playoff? The NCAA knows this and will tread very lightly against powerhouses as a result.
Unless it involves a jihad and stretching.
Hate to say it, but I think the rumors are probably true and that they won't face much additional discipline (perhaps another year of probation or an additional scholarship reduction). The pattern with the NCAA is that if you cooperate with them and pretend like you take the matter seriously, they generally accept your self-imposed sanctions (in the absence of truly shocking and egregious conduct). OSU is at least pretending to cooperate and take the matter seriously (emphasis on pretend). That's the crucial distinction between OSU and USC. USC didn't even act like it cared.
can claim OSU pretendedto cooperate. OSU would have never informed the NCAA of Cicero's emails if OSU wanted to cover up Tressel's involvement.
Yahoo! had already informed the world of Cicero's e-mails before OSU self-reported. They claim they would have self-reported anyway and no doubt they had already started the process before Yahoo! published, but there's also little doubt they would have already been aware that Yahoo! had the scoop and was going to print.
The NCAA interviewed Tressel about the emails in February. The Yahoo! story only pushed the final step in the process up by a couple of days.
You think OSU didn't know Yahoo! was running the story until the day it appeared? They couldn't put two and two together from Yahoo!'s attempts to confirm it?
They're dumber than I thought.
that what Clarkie from Canada is right: that the NCAA is backing off until it sees what happens with the espn demand.
And then, no matter what, they will do nothing - nothing major anyway. There is no way meyer is 'guessing' about the total lack of sanctions while he recruits: he already knows. At worst, the very worst, they will get docked 3 schollies next year max.
I've been saying it all along, as much as everyone wants to see them go down, Gee and Smith have the NCAA and Emmert in their pocket. All the blame is on people no longer there (I'd say not associated with the program, but of course Martyr Tress is available anytime on campus for pre-game motivational speeches).
You're hoping for cooperation from Yahoo, SI, ESPN with commentary on how thorough the NCAA investigations were, but if they get wind of your eventual goal in #4 I don't think you'll get it. From their perspective, scandal is good but real damage to advertiser interest in the sport is not. They are not going to do anything at all to help you pair sponsors' images with Jerry Sandusky.
I'll but it when I see it. The NCAA isn't going to let this stuff go unpunished - it might not be stoning Ohio back to the stoneage, but only the most blind/optimistic Ohio fans honestly believe that they will skate by with no additional sanctions.
Well, you could say he locked down Ohio, on the other hand you could say that Ohio's recruiting allowed them to lock down Ohio. Another way of saying that is that Ohio cheated in many ways in recruiting, and after the kids got to school, which developed a very substantial advantage in recruiting, since it made it harder for clean schools to poach Ohio students. As an example is Ted Ginn Sr., and the shananigans between he and ohio.
Can you provide links to these tweets you mention?
about the sanctions yet, other than that they're expected soon.
Which sanctions are you talking about -- the ones that are coming down this week, or the ones that will be coming after the Ohio Supreme Court unleashes incriminating emails that Ohio State never disclosed to the NCAA?
I'm only slightly joking. Don't sleep on ESPN v. Ohio State. It's for real. I'd say there's a 30-40% chance of something wicked sprouting from it.
Obviously, that's pure speculation, but hey... what else are we supposed to do on the internet?
If anything is levied, it will not be anything more stringent than what UM was hit with. Fat bastard lays it out.
I checked the Twitters and didn't find anything brewing from the Ohio State crew about what the penalty would be. However, I did find some speculation about timing from Ramzy at 11W and a Buckeye reporter for Fox:
There is no punishment the NCAA could hand down to Ohio State that would satisfy the MGoUsers.
There is no punishment the NCAA could hand down to Ohio State that wouldn't have the Ohio State fanbase crying unfair.
(just listing the relevant football bits, not things like censure or vacated wins or probation that are meaningless, unless you cheat again)
Postseason ban for the 2010 and 2011 football seasons.
Reduction of football scholarships by 10 for the next three academic years.
Reduction of 130 hours practice time. (This was self imposed not NCAA ordered)
OSU self imposed penalties:
Reduction of 5 football scholarhips fot the next three academic years.
Head coach Jim Tressel forced out
1. You are insane if you think Michigan got hit harder by the NCAA for stretchapalooza than Ohio State will get hit for this. Scholarships are the lifeblood of a football program.
2. The Ohio State administration was insane not to take a postseason ban this season. Yeah, next year will hurt them when they try to completely change offensive philosophies with almost complete turnover in the offensive line and no receivers. They aren't going to be competing for a conference title then. But they didn't want any potential post season ban to stretch into the 2013 season when Miller is in year 2 under Meyer. Now that possibility exists.
To put the punishments into the same units of measure, USC got reductions of 30 scholarships over 3 years vs. the 5 over 3 years that OSU has self-imposed (10-10-10 vs. 2-2-1).
I think I'd be satisfied if osu got something more than they've self-imposed. You've failed to mention all the vacated games that they've also self-imposed...
But what I'm expecting is for the NCAA to line up both coaching staffs, Gene Smith, JT, and president Gee along Woody Hayes Drive, have them each hold out their wrist, then have Emmert daintily slap each of them. Hopefully as he's dressed in either a mime outfit or a ballet tutu.
Good catch, I misread the link I provided which had it right.
I would expect the NCAA to up the probation period for Ohio State. I doubt that will make for a happy mgoboard.
Honestly, I've stopped caring about this. The OSU sanctions will just be one more reason why the NCAA is a hypocritical farce. Let's get back to settling it on the field.
There will be too much schadenfreude among Ohio fans as they witness the angst in Michigan when nothing happens to Ohio. I have a suspicion Hoke doesn't care, and just wants to settle things on the field. I believe he will. And that we will be happy with the results.
Weren't these sanctions coming out like a month ago, at the start of December? I wish they would stop moving "sanctions day".
I doubt the PAC12 will raise too much of a fuss if OSU doesn't get any further sanctions. It's in the best interest of the B10 that OSU doesn't get hammered. The PAC12 and BIG10 have always had an alliance because of the Rose Bowl. That being said USC will feel like they were screwed. Personally, I would love to see OSU get the death penatallity because they deserve it and most of their fans are jerks.
According to the Ohio AD:
Goes nicely with the Times' previous report stating that the NCAA is basically powerless.
Because it does not have the manpower to comprehensively police the more than 1,000 member institutions, the N.C.A.A. largely relies on a system of self-reporting. It urges colleges to come forward when they know of wrongdoing, promising lighter penalties than if violations are exposed other ways.
Of major cases, less than half are self-reported. But, Roe Lach said, among secondary violations, some “99.9 percent” of the 4,000 or so enforcement processes are self-reported.
“In 100 years of the N.C.A.A., it has never worked,” Ridpath said of the self-reporting model.
Well, that was nice of the ncaa.