Tennessee is not recruiting well just because they got 18 dudes
This thread is perfectly fine.
MGOBAND is that way >>>>>
It would be like me creating a thread, "Michigan State's cheerleaders are better than ours." Also, Ohio's band and your opinion of them is "OT". thx.
This needs to be addressed and dealt with. I want to be better tan ohio in EVERYTHING and that includes Marching Band.
In my ranking of things that I could give a shit if OSU beats us at, this ranks right between a chutes and ladder tournament and a 90's boy band karaoke contest.
Really who cares about bands, why is this even a post.
Because, like the NFL doesn't need crap like that, do they? They'd just hire Kanye or Taylor Swift to do a halftime show, right?
What we need are college playoffs, a collegiate super bowl, and maybe some preseason games.
What's the spread on next week's game?
There is a portion of the self-professed Michigan fan base that is really frightening.
....and there is the portion that cares who has the better band.
As Section 1 is implying, our band is a crucial part of game day, and our rivalries extend beyond a football or basketball game alone. The great rivalries are university-wide. This is part of what makes college athletics far more compelling (at least to many of us) than the pros.
He or she could have just said what you said
My buddies and I did a mean "Bye bye bye" by NSYNC for a charity karoke night a few weeks ago. Had the dance down and everything.
Ohio is only the self-proclaimed BDBITL. For some reason they like to think that it is universally known that they are considered the best.
but I think this is pretty well done.
That was a helluva halftime show. However, a "school" can do this when they don't have an academic program and their marching band members can be made to drill all week North Korea style. Seriously, there's no other way to explain the practice time..
If you think that the OSU band members are on the Cardale Jones academic track, you're letting your homerism get the best of you.
OSU is not as good of a school as Michigan, but they still have plenty of top 20 academic programs. It's a solid academic institution.
First, the OSU Marching Band is very good and very loud; it is all brass and drums, with no woodwinds (see, MMB, a very fine "concert" band).
Second, they are marching. No video-board skits.
Third, keep it simple. It is an eight-minute show. Some popular music, some simple image concepts, done very elegantly, with impressive motion. That's the wonder of marching bands.
It was a nice halftime show, for sure. Lessons to be learned for Michigan.
Don't you love it, that in the middle of their big night game with Penn State, the band is highlighting their rivalry with Michigan? I am trying to imagine what the Penn Staters felt like. Chopped liver, probably.
I am trying to imagine what the Penn Staters felt like. Chopped liver, probably.
The PSU fans might have felt slighted by the Ohio halftime show, but I have to believe they were more dismayed by the 42-7 score.
Let's not act like the MMB hasn't put together halftime shows that call attention to our disdain of our rivals when we're not playing them that particular game. In fact, I would think it would be considered bad form to have a stadium that is 20% of say Sparty fans and then have the band come out at halftime and do some kind of faux homage to "Little Brother" or whatever.
Not sure why people are hating on this video. College Marching Bands are one of the great traditions of college football. This is a great performance and a pretty entertaining looking halftime show
This was a great college halftime show. It is the essence of college football. I don't care that it was OSU that did it.
When colleges stop doing these kind of things that are the DNA of college football and move toward whatever fad the Pros are chasing, we will all be worse off.
than any Super Bowl halftime show. It was unique to college football in that it is not something you will see anywhere else, it was well done, and hit the rivalry. And i am fine if this lights a fire under Michigan to get more creative and better.
I wish that the broadcasters would go back to showing the halftime shows because honestly I could care less whether the SEC is the best conference in the nation or the world. I guess that's one of the nice things about actually going to the game. I don't have to listen to Lou Holtz prattle on about whatever his pet peeve of the day is. Fortunately, I think Terry Bowden has been relegated to some TV backwater.
As much as it pains me to say, that was actually pretty cool. I think I liked the superman coming out of the phone booth the best.
Superman does not have the logo on his cape. He wears it on his chest.
Good for them. Big f'in deal. We still had to teach their band how to spell.
Yeah, phazing in the lines and intonation that is out of wack really makes a quality band. I have figuratively seen better high school bands, especially at BOA's.
Does this mean you haven't literally seen better high school bands?
Only thing that would have made it better was if it was a Velociraptor instead of a T-Rex.
Everyone knows this
Oh look, another highly informed band critic.
OSU's drill writer is doing some great work. But you're really gonna say their band is better when our band's repertoire this year included maybe the single most innovative performance by a marching band in recent history?
Guess you missed the Wizard of Oz and Willy Wonka shows. Neither were against OSU. Both featured the rivalry prominently.
Tell me, what did you think of Ohio's halftime show last year when we went to the Toilet Bowl?
Oh, that's right. You probably didn't see it because it didn't go viral, and of course that was far more boring than most shows the MMB has done in the past 5 years. (Except perhaps for the fireworks at the end.)
But never mind the fact that the MMB and the OSUMB have gone viral roughly the same number of times the past 5 years. The narrative of the OP is clearly supported by this single video.
Jesus. Apparently, Michigan football meltdowns come with Sparty-style self-loathing, too.
For those one the phone, here's the link:
The embed doesn't show up on my iphone at least. Nor if I use my browser on the phone.
They turned themselves into a 53 yard tall Michael Jackson and moonwalked down the field last week.
So? We had two 53 feet stick figures have sex on the field last week. Well, it was implied as the girl stick figure took off her skirt after the stick figure wedding as the band was playing the Black Eye Peas' "It's going to be a good night."
I saw that and after watching this show I have to assume that OSU must have a software program that is helping create these shows. It is pretty impressive to watch the band play and move in really complicated patterns such as this and I'd really like to know more about how they go about it. Obviously I'm partial to the MMB, but you've gotta give those kids credit.
All marching band drill design these days is done with software.
As I know nothing about it, are there different software packages or mostly one common one that people use?
If someone is doing this by hand, it would blow my mind.
I was a huge band geek in HS, and was really proud of our marching band. My best friend and I petitioned the director to let us write a drill for our senior year. He told us he would consider it, but warned us of how complex there were.
We were both top 5 in our class (inner city high school, so thats not as impressive as it might be elsewhere) but this was one of the hardest things I did in HS. We thought we had it perfect, and the director gave us 2 practices to team it to see how it would go - and as he predicted it was a disaster.
Attempting to teach kids who have been drilled for years exact timing and spacing to march at different speeds than the person next to them does not go over well. Our crossing patterns completely fogot to take into account the length of a trombone. What on paper had been brilliant (in our eyes) was a disaster on the field (Hey- Al Borges!).. After 5 weeks of re-design we finally had an acceptable version. I put more work into that drill than I did my AP physics class.
Whether written by hand or by computer what these bands are doing these days blows my mind.
It was probably wise for the OSU band to not pay homage to the last few years of MJ's life in that tribute show.
What the hell are you talking about? It was a great show, we've had great shows too. Does not mean anyone is kicking anyone's butt. This was our week 1 show:
This was followed by the Beyonce show that went viral.
p.s. People like you annoy me.
I'm trying real hard to think of something associated with football that OSU doesn't kick our ass these days in:
2. Players in the NFL? - no.
3. Head to head record over the past 15 years?- no.
4. Graduation rate? - sadly no.
Looks like we can add "band" to this list.
Why did you want to make me sad today?
To be fair, Cal has the lowest graduation rate of the year, and I think historically that school produces top-notch graduates and rates for its football players. OSU has had a nice run recently, but historically UM has been just as competitive, and this minor hiccup in the rivalry is not going to remain the case going forward.
What about the current state of both programs leads you to believe/hope that its not going to be OSU domination in the foreseeable future?
the words "In my opinion". Because the "best" band would really have to be in someone's own opinion, right?
dinosaurs, pirates, and Michael Jackson.
Is our band ever going to play music again? Or will it just continue to be dumb sideshows starring the PA anouncer?
So now we are doing the self loathing thing too?
Good show, but yet another ripoff of a bunch of MMB's old halftime shows.
Bitching about the MMB is why we, as Michigan fans, can't have nice things.
This site would be a much better place if band topics went the way of politics.
I'm not ashamed to say that probably three of the best five halftime shows I've ever seen were done by the OSUMB. They're a very good, traditional, well-directed band. Always have been, probably always will. And hate Ohio State as much as you want, Script Ohio is pretty awesome.
As for comparing with ours, well, it's pretty much apples and oranges now. The MMB has pretty much gone full DCI corps for everything but pregame in the last five to ten years.
Eh. They've been basically full DCI since at least Sedatole.
As a former BoA marcher and DCI fan, l enjoy the band going all DCI. I CANNOT stand traditional marching.
Give me the Cadets z line marched at 150+ BPM over the script ohio anyday.
That's great, but the MMB isn't a DCI corps.
That's great, but it's not gonna change the direction collegiate marching bands are going just because you or whoever else don't approve of DCI style integrating itself in traditional marching bands.
Almost all marching bands will always retain traditional elements, but they will constantly be finding avenues to sound better, because marching bands are generally the most highly publicized band ensembles in the country, and no school of music wants to sound incompetent in their most publicized ensembles. They would much rather convert to DCI style because of the better sound quality output. At the expense of volume, at the expense of who cares. They don't. Haithcock doesn't (and won't), and neither does Pasquale. Marching band positions are, generally, just stepping stones to DOB positions.
Yawn. Resigning ourselves to goofy flag uniforms and flying fake guns and loopy formations that don't look like anything to anyone even when they're actually set correctly. Everything pointed at the press box for the imaginary judges, too. Just becoming more and more like everyone else. The MMB isn't a DCI corps; it should stop acting like one.
As for the job comments, funny, though, how is MSU able to keep a guy like John Madden for, what, 20 years now? How did OSU keep Jon Woods as long as they did? I realize there are historic reasons for why the MMB job turned into what it's become (up until the mid-90s, the pay wasn't just substandard, it was embarrassing), but to resign the job to a launching pad for aspiring DOBs just because it went through a string of people for which that was true is selling the job short.
Look, I'm no fan of the wacky drill formations in recent years (especially under Dr. Boerma), but I definitely don't think that the MMB is just becoming more and more "like everyone else." DCI is the way marching band is going for a reason: Marching band people tend to see DCI as a standard of musical, performative, and physical excellence. DCI tends also to be an easy access point for music educators looking to climb the ladder, so it's more typical to have a director with DCI experience.
As far as Madden and Woods, well, Madden will never find a sweeter gig to match his Master's degree. He and Woods are of a different era, in my opinion. And to this day, the directorship gig at Michigan is wildly underpaid. But what an odd comparison. SMB is more DCI style than any band I know. I went to camp there for two years and I've never felt the presence of DCI so heavily either before or after. Easily one of the best bands in the country, though. And Woods, well, beloved as he is by OSU, I'm never impressed with the sound that comes from his band. I suppose that's the true, traditional marching band way, though. Just blow their faces off and don't worry so much if you're in tune. And he just retired before all of this viral attention for the OSU band, so I'm not sure he set the standard.
I guess my short-version response to the DCI thing at Michigan is if it doesn't look like anything, and for most of the stadium it literally doesn't sound like anything, what is it?
Like you indicated below, DCI is the standard for band people. But in a stadium of 110,000 people who just want to see and hear a show that gives them something recognizable and entertaining, an avant garde DCI performance with weird ribbon flags and percussion props, it's just going to come up flat. In Michigan Stadium, you're not playing to the press box--you're playing to everyone in the seats.
Like it or not, most people are not band people. They want to see Superman getting out of a phone booth or MJ doing the moonwalk. Or at least straight lines and diags doing interesting things. Look at the kind of reaction these OSU shows are getting around the web (and they were doing this stuff with Woods, see their show for the 2006 Game), and you'll see what works. Just like our weirdo show last week. It's odd, but people could figure out it was odd. And at the very least it was funny. Showtunes and latin jazz shows and Cirque du Soleil stuff don't match up.
Well, then you are not a fan of Boerma and you will be a fan of Pasquale, it seems. (Both are heavily DCI-involved people, of course.)
That said, the CDs from the past few years have been boss. Maybe it's not the best for a football Saturday, but man, for listening, it's exciting.
With that said, 3/8 or more of the Toilet Bowl couldn't figure out what was on the field...have to be careful with those "animational" shows because you don't want half the stadium to be confused by why everyone is cheering like mad.
And just to be totally clear--Jon Woods wasn't doing Michael Jackson doing the moonwalk. He just left. Both bands are now under new leadership, and both look to be promising for the future.
I know Woods retired... Notice I was talking about 2006.
So wait a second, you're actually cool with the band deciding to go in a direction that "isn't the best for a football Saturday" but sounds good on a CD?
About 90% of the point of the Michigan Marching band is football Saturday. Yeah, there is the Chrisler Concert and Band 'O Rama, and the occasional parade and pep rally. But any decision on the band that isn't focusing on football saturdays is just plain idiotic.
Halftime shows at football games should be entertaining to the fans in attendance, not meant to score high on some imaginary judges scorecard at a marching competition that the band isn't imvolved in.. Obviously the band wants to sound and look great, but you also have to know your audience.
Can one of you explain what's going on here? I've noticed the band is often very hard to hear during its halftime shows the past few years, and people I've taken to the games have generally complained about that. What are the tradeoffs supposed to be? What's driving the changes?
There are a lot of popular ideas, and some of them have more truth to them than others. But there is still no one answer.
Recently the MMB has placed a renewed emphasis on sound *quality*. It's easy to be loud if you don't care whether you sound good or in tune. But the idea is that any wind ensemble (read: band) should sound smooth, unified, etc.
Well, a lot of people feel like this departure has made the band less entertaining because it's not as loud. And Bando is saying that the Drum Corps International style (kinda like pseudo professional marching band, but all brass), which has been implemented to improve sound quality, is less entertaining. So the trade off seems to be entertainment vs. musical quality. Some people might rhetorically categorize those things differently. This trade off manifests in two ways: drill writing/marching styles and musical production. Lately, MMB has been choosing the "musical quality" side of things, which has made many fans irate because they find themselves bored with halftime. Meanwhile, music enthusiasts and DCI fans are largely defensive of the band's developments because of the perceived increase in quality.
your point? This is not the 1890's anymore
I for one am highly concerned about the direction the band is taking at Michigan. They are, surely regressing from the Michigan standard.
Congrats on putting on a good halftime show. I'm not sure why people get so worked up about Marching Bands, though. I mean, other than Atlanta A&T University's one.
Come on, you're comparing probably their best performance this year with probably our most "blah" one. The MMB has had many inspired performances.
Yeah, but look at UTL II's half time show. That thing was insane.
I expected to see at least 50 "points" in the negative column here. Really though, until Ohio stops kicking our butts in football, I am not going to spend much time worrying about the band.
In other words, I would much rather see the effort continue to go into building the program back to where the Ohio game is a toss-up or (gasp) Michigan is favored.
OSU's band does kick our band's ass. I hate to admit that, but after going to an osu game and seeing their band live, it was pretty obvious. There's a reason the band director last year left Michigan to be the director at Western Michigan.
because it was a promotion from being a marching band director to running the entire damn band program at his alma mater?
99/100 directors would take that opportunity in a heartbeat. Hell, Brady Hoke did the football equivalent in 2002 when he left Michigan to coach at Ball State.
And keep in mind Boerma actually took a demotion to be the MMB director, as he was DOB at EMU before he came here. And he's a Michigan alum, too, he did his MA at the Music School.
It pains me to admit this, but their marching band genuinely is among the best in the country.
Why not just enjoy the show? OSU doesn't get points for putting on a great band show; we don't lose points for their band being good.
I think it is pretty sweet to have two great bands in our Stadium every other November; most bowl games aren't that good.
One thing for Michigan to learn from the OSU Marching Band is that Ohio loves their band just for being a good band; not as the pit orchestra for a Beyonce/Eminem show. The other thing, that is harder for us to deal with, is that in Ohio, TBDBITL is regarded as a kind of a state natural treasure. So the OSU Marching Band plays for the Browns, the Bengals, they play with the Columbus Symphony Orchestra, they play at Cedar Point, etc., etc., etc. They are the whole state's unofficial band.
Michiganians are too divided for that. Half of us have no fealty for either the Michigan or Michican State band. I can always get excited for the moment, when the MSU Marching Band does their cadence coming out of their north tunnel before the Michigan game. But for me, they wouldn't represent our state.
Because I'm a Michigan fan and I don't like to admit that Ohio is genuinely good at anything at all.
OSU's marching band is like Terrell Owens: flashes of brilliance pockmarked with arrogance and occasional WTF moments that make you hate it even more.
Although, maybe they should spend more time in class learning about scale, unless Superman is a giant or he just saved the world's smallest building from falling over.
but they pretty much do kick our behinds
well, that was awesome. Like their Michael Jackson moonwalk a couple weeks ago, this band is both fan-friendly and spot on. I'm impressed. And I would like to see more of this type of fun creativity - non-media driven just pure marching band - from our band.
threads like this are the reason i hate talking to non band people about marching band.
Or why I hate talking B1G college marching bands with people who never marched past their last high school band competition.
i marched college. Thanks for assuming.
I ammend my post. I hate talking marching band with non-bandos and bando's stuck in 1950.
good stuff, but no star wars in the blockbuster movie show? weak
Yeah, you're right. A select sample size of one proves definitively that Ohio's marching band is better than MIchigan's.
Your premise is flawed in it's conception.
But I think its self-evident the Ohio band is better than ours, even with the muddled (but LOUD) sound, even with the sloppy tempos. They put on such a better show. You don't have Murray Peraia play Bach to open a Method Man concert, and you don't get on a high horse about "music quality" when playing to a stadium of 110,000.
That bring said, I'm not sure that Ohio has the best band in its own state, so that's some comfort.
Yes. They are better. It has something to do with talent and hard work. Loud? Ever heard Wisky? THEY are loud.
You should get that checked out.
That was a particularly awesome show on Ohio's part. No argument there.
Ohio's band has made the local morning news here two weeks in a row, in North Carolina. Also, national news twice.
Admittedly, it was sort of funny of the OSUMB to have the T-Rex eat and spit out the Devin impersonator.