Ohio to Learn Official Sanctions at 3PM Today
Let the speculation begin.
Edit: Word is that the media will get first crack at seeing what the NCAA came up with at 2PM. I'll keep an eye on twitter and update the post appropriately.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:58 AM ^
the whole 'vacate' the season business. What ever happened toplain old forfeiting ?
December 20th, 2011 at 9:59 AM ^
Ohio State fans were laughing about this on Monday. They know what will happen and so do we.
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2011/12/monday-skull-session-1#more
"It will be hilarious to watch the tears of the Ohio State-haters, though. They will be glorious, so let those tears flow. So much faux-anger about 20 year olds getting discounted tattoos and a few hundred bucks -- I can't wait. And when that biblical flood of tears come -- and it will come, my friends -- here's what I propose be the official reaction of every Ohio State fan to the haters: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯."
December 20th, 2011 at 10:06 AM ^
40-34.
and 759 days since OSU beat Michigan in football.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:22 PM ^
is killing me. Discounted tattos and a few hundred dollars paid to 20 year olds that knew better is only the flashpoint. The bigger part was the lying and the cover up by ohio officials. Yeah minimize the issue buckeyes so you can draw your ridankulous comparisons and rationalize why you should skate.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:02 AM ^
I find solace in the humor and wit on this board, especially since I know the NCAA will do nothing.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:14 AM ^
Expectation:
Reality:
December 20th, 2011 at 12:27 PM ^
This post pretty much sums it up perfectly.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:17 AM ^
that OSU administrators and Tressel and all OSU enforcement officials will have to dig up this man:
and explain to him how they managed to destroy the legacy of academics and recruiting actual student athletes that he built from 1951-1978. After that explanation, I'm sure Woody will be saying the following to these moral degenerates:
December 20th, 2011 at 10:28 AM ^
I can't decide which bit of MGoRevisionist History is funnier, that Woody Hayes was "clean", or that USC wasn't guilty of hundreds of thousands of dollars of violations over many sports.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:57 AM ^
While I agree with the sentiment about Woody (although I think he personally would have bitchslapped an OSU player selling gold pants/B1G championship rings and would have pulled their scholarship right there) the links to USC aren't nearly as strong as the links to OSU, in football at least. It's much more like their basketball program.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:12 AM ^
In 1956, Woody got OSU put on probation for outright paying players. If that happened today, he would have been fired (back then, it was 1 year probation... how times have changed).
USC gave Bush $300k in extra benefits, Mayo another few thousand, had agents all over the football program (and Mayo's posse around the basketball program), had a coach dealing with agents, and even had the girls volleyball team get over $7000 in benefits(!).
USC is a lot more like UNC. UNC only involved one sport, but does get bonus points for some academic scandals.
(interestingly... if Woody did get fired in 1956, would Bo have become OSU's coach at some point?)
December 20th, 2011 at 11:21 AM ^
You misunderstood, I was agreeing with you about Woody, not other people. Your sentiment.
USC's football program didn't provide Bush's house, car, ect. The NCAA reasoned they "should have known" that agents unrelated to the school were paying Bush based on a single text message to an assistant several years ago. In comparison, you have Tressel personally covering up allegations, much more like the case with Mayo and the guidance counselor.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:33 AM ^
http://markrea.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/tressel-woody-now-have-something-else-in-common/
Appears a bit more complicated than your classification of him as a "cheater" who paid players. Got any more details?
December 20th, 2011 at 11:41 AM ^
from your link:
"It would probably surprise many in the Buckeye Nation to know that Woody Hayes and his program were hit with a one-year probation by the Big Ten back in 1956. The reason? Several members of the football team were being paid for jobs despite the fact they were not showing up to work while others were receiving money directly from the coach himself."
If you replaced Woody Hayes with Jim Tressel, what do you think people would be saying?
There are plenty of other "rumors", but I won't go into them since they're mostly hearsay. Needless to say, big time football "back in the day" was a very dirty business. Don't think for a second that SMU invented big time cheating.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:22 AM ^
Ok, where's your data on Woody? Cite a reference or a fact that backs up your claim that he was "dirty".
December 20th, 2011 at 11:32 AM ^
you can google it. "woody 1956 ohio state probation"
Woody paid players for work they didn't do. OSU was banned from the Rose Bowl that year.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:37 AM ^
Says that Woody gave players $400 out of his own pocket annually over a 5 year period. I think he was taking care of them, not paying them to come to OSU.
“A recruit (for Ohio State football) can count on some financial help from Hayes if he is ‘in need.’ Woody insists he never forks up for a luxury … but it’s certainly also true that he makes sure he won’t lose any valuable men by financial default.”
During the 10-week investigation by the Big Ten – the NCAA never got involved – Hayes admitted he gave players money from his personal funds, but the coach steadfastly refused to name any player to whom he gave the money. He insisted his reasoning was not because he feared any penalty or sanction, saying he would not name names because he feared the players involved would suffer public embarrassment.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:01 PM ^
that's still called cheating, no matter how noble you think he is.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:40 AM ^
LOL...my mother was a student at Ohio in the early to mid-60s..I've stated on this site before, the football players actually would pass around the answers to tests in the middle of an ongoing exam. Is that a direct link to Woody, or a lack of institutional control dating back decades. Either way, Ohio has been cheating for a good long time.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:19 AM ^
if OSU didn't get a year or two of postseason suspension. After what they pulled to ensure Pryor and co. got to play in last year's Sugar Bowl, I would think the bare minimum would be two years.
I'm guessing 10 scholarships and a two year bowl ban.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:28 AM ^
upsets me. It's people like you who make rational statements, briefly make me have faith in humanity, then swiftly kick me in the nuts while saying "PSYCHE!" in a Bart Simpson voice.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:41 AM ^
they let them all play in the bowl last year, which was disgusting... made a joke of the Big Ten/NCAA. Months later we find all this shit out. I would EXPECT a 1yr bowl ban. TSIO owes College Football a bowl game. 1yr bowl ban and 10 schollies 2yes prob.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:23 AM ^
Holy shit this is really happening?
December 20th, 2011 at 10:23 AM ^
Was listening to the Dp show this morning and they had a guy who works in Ohio on. He thinks Ohio will get 1 year bowl ban and 10 scholly's gone. But we will c.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:30 AM ^
97.1 in Columbus was talking last week and they were saying that Ohio fans should be very cautious on this topic because they actually think there is a chance they pay the piper in full.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:24 AM ^
Yesterday around noon, I got word from the highest of OSU insiders that the NCAA will accept OSU sanctions, and will add one more year of probation, and take 1-3 more scholarship losses over 3 years. Your welcome.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:50 AM ^
Because [your] spelling incorrectly.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:30 AM ^
with Urban Meyer in the middle. Cheaters are going to cheat. The NCAA will show them the way. No new sanctions. Just a big love in.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:32 AM ^
to my stomach. I just KNOW nothing is going to happen. The NCAA is the biggest joke of a governing body in the USA. The way they hand out punishment has never made sense. Their handling of the Auburn/Newton case is just obserd. They gave every kid/parent/university in the country an open door for parents to pimp their kids out and claim, "poor little Cam never knew".
The only real work they did was on USC and OSU basically does the exact same thing, so they should get the same thing. But something tells me it isn't going to happen!
December 20th, 2011 at 10:34 AM ^
unhappy easter :(
December 20th, 2011 at 10:34 AM ^
Instead of taking away scholarships, the NCAA will give OSU a few extra, you know, because they were playing at a deficit this year with so many ineligible players. It's only fair. Oh, and at the NCAA's request and with their blessing, the newest OSU trainer hired will be a tatoo artist and assistant AD will be a car dealer.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:37 AM ^
This is from SI, my apologies in case this has been already posted.
This makes my blood boil!!! I know i should be solid in the fact we have Hoke, but this is a circus and it makes me FUCKING angry that their self imposed sanctions are good enough.
From Meyer:
December 20th, 2011 at 10:39 AM ^
is for bad things to happen to that school in Ohio. Please oh please Santa (who's as likely to punish Ohio as the NCAA)!
December 20th, 2011 at 10:41 AM ^
I'm guessing the NCAA doesn't even slap their wrist. Everyone is in love with Urban. The NCAA won't want to punish him. Again I'm guessing he would have never taken the job if he knew the suckeyes were going to be on probation and lose a bunch of scholarships. I agree with above comment that if the NCAA does nothing Michigan ignore previous agreement and put the basketball banners back up. Screw 'em.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:42 AM ^
Hoke likes to talk about what football sounds like. What will the Ohio sanctions sound like? I can hope for the sound of whupknots being raised and piteous moaning. I suspect it will be the sound of mild slapping on the wrists.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:48 AM ^
Can someone give me a rational explanation how OSU can or will avoid significant punishment? If OSU skates, is gift-givng now allowed? What are we missing here? What is the NCAA's reasoning?
December 20th, 2011 at 10:52 AM ^
a hybrid of "this was a failure of Jim Tressel, rather than the University, and he's been fired" and "it was reasonable for school officials to not know the extent of what was going on" (a variation on the Cam Newton reasoning).
December 20th, 2011 at 11:39 AM ^
I think the Failure to monitor charge that they recieved last month had nothing to do with the cheating vest. After Ohio learn of the Failure to monitor is when they self imposed the scholarship reductions.
The reasoning for the NCAA to say they have punished themselves enough is the fact that they "addressed" all the allegations. What a joke. "Failure to Monitor"= 5 Scholarships over 5 years.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:26 PM ^
Did not Dr. Redenbacher come out and say when Tressel resigned that it was Tressel's decision and Tressel's decision alone? Did he not first say OSU did not pressure Tressel in to resigning? But they can change their story--and get credit for it--so that the brunt of the blame goes to Tressel and OSU walks. How can the NCAA believe the "Tressel was fired" line when their own statements contradict that assertion?
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/12/gee-on-tressel-he-was-not-given-an-ultimatum/
December 20th, 2011 at 10:52 AM ^
"Rational explanation" and "NCAA" don't go hand in hand...
December 20th, 2011 at 11:39 AM ^
The reason will be that they couldn't interview the people mentioned in the Yahoo article, and therefore, the more serious allegations couldn't be proven. Then it just comes down to a handful of people who exchanged tattoos for memorabilia, with the major known malefactors (Pryor & Tressel) already punished/gone. I still can't believe there was never a finding of loss of institutional control, which was the indicator that NCAA wouldn't go after OSU seriously.
I linked to the NY Times article in the other thread which states it's fairly well established that the NCAA has no ability to go after serious violations.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:52 AM ^
What the hell type punishment is that?!?!! No one cares about 2010. Could you imagine if you were punishing your 6 year old on December 23rd for getting a tat or something? Your not going to say, "son, I'm taking away the toy I got you LASTChristmas, you know the one in the basement that you haven't played with since December 30th.". You take away his presents under the tree damn it. The NCAA is a bunch of crooks.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:53 AM ^
My speculation......nothing will happen. Three cheers for slaps on the wrist. NCAA is a joke.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:00 AM ^
OSU has shown the blueprint for stonewalling the NCAA. Deny everything until proven and self report the minimum. Scapegoat the coach and separate to protect institution. Force NCAA to investigate and punish which they won't.
Anything less than one year bowl ban, 15 scholarships over 3 years, and 4 years probation is a crime. They deserve more but based on what they've been charged with they can't be punished further. Once a person is charged with manslaughter, you can't punish them as if they committed murder even though they got away with murder.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:01 AM ^
Isn't it obvious? I think Meyer will punish the NCAA, not the other way around. But seriously, I think the writing was on the wall for a weak punishment when the NCAA didn't levy the most serious charge against tsio.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:02 AM ^
I thought Urban told the recruits nothing else will be handed down from the NCAA?
December 20th, 2011 at 11:02 AM ^
to stage a multi-million dollar defense, with attorneys, witnesses and 8 1/2 x 11 color glossy photos of the scene of the crime. tsi0 had to travel to a conference room in Columbus?
No sauce with your McNuggets today, and don't let us catch you again.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:05 AM ^
bend over ohio and prepared to get spanked with a light pink featherduster
