I didn't realize we had to play the refs today too
stop bitching about stuff you cannot control. Yes there were questionable calls, but on both teams. This is a part of the game every game there are calls that should not be called and calls that should not have been called. The game is over OSU outplayed us for the most part. Just look forward to the tourney.
So, you're bitching about him bitching.
Moreover, he created a thread and you could do nothing about it.
So, you're actually bitching about things you cannot control.
But isn't that what a blog is for to really talk about or bitch about things that for the most paert we have no control over.
My lucky beer swigs and chip munches just we're falling today.
+ 10000 to you. bitching about bitching. My least favorite thing on MGOBLOG
Wouldn't necessarily say it was against us. Let's not forget Craft and Lighty went out early in the 1st and we had a bonus when they didn't.
It's more that it was just bad officiating in general. Which is unfortunately the norm in this conference.
even when Craft and Lighty were out early, I'm pretty sure the foul differential was even. It was just that our guys each had 1 and Craft and Lighty had multiple fouls.
i didn't think the officiating was that bad at all..
What i saw was whenever morris was out of the game we went on big runs..
We went on a nice run when he sat with about 5 left.. then we went on another big run at the end without him.
I saw a young player drive and take a lot of poor shots and force a lot of crap that never needed to be. When he was out and had hardaway running it we looked great
and I don't think it was as one sided as people think, but how Hightower and Valentine continue to be employed is just beyond me.
but...their 16-0 run was sparked from an obvious out of bounds call and Bullinger crashing his elbow through a stationary Hardaway's face. Sure, we fell apart for that run. But going from a 2 point deficit to 7 on those calls initiated it. Just sayin'.
Maybe it evened itself out over the whole game, but those two calls were absolutely horrible. Any objective viewer could have called those correctly. There's sucha thing as momentum--those two calls killed it for us and ignited it for the shitbirds.
I think it is just basketball in general that sucks. I love March Madness, but at times like this it is so frustrating to see how weak the calls are. Everytime Sullinger goes up it is a foul by default. Also don't like that penalties can be taken as a strategy to help a team.
I agree that there were some extremely poor officiating periods (save for the end of the game when all the calls went our way). This officiating looked even worse because three bad calls in a row (the missed out of bounds of sullinger, the missed sulligner charge and then one more, i think) cam right when we had gotten close and spurred a run for them.
Poor officiating coupled with incredibly poor timing makes for a pretty one-sided job by the refs.
those easy to call but blown badly were the difference. i understand ref'ing isn't easyy,b ut that run of bad calls took the wind out of the sails for a few minutes and thus became the difference in the game.
Just made this same exact point above before reading this. Guess we're all on the same page.
Edit: EVERYONE below says it. Nice...
The game of basketball can't be officiated properly. Not much to be done.
the only call that pissed me off was the OOB on sully that they called off on mich in the 2nd half. STU's arm knocks the ball clearly going in one direction, the ball ends up traveling in the other direction oob. how does this happen? ah yes the ball must've deflected off sullinger's arm which was traveling in the direction the ball went OOB.
grrr just grrr. after this, the 18-3 for OSU happened.
Yea, this followed by the blocking foul they called on Haradway Jr. that should have been a charge on Sullinger seemed like a turning point in OSU's favor
exactly what I thought, without that block on Hardaway and the OOB questionable call on Sullinger two plays in a row they might not have gone on that huge run...Oh well, can't wait to pick against the buckeyes in my bracket
When I see people blaming the officials for this loss, I can only conclude they are clueless about college basketball
I'm not blaming the officials for the loss, but they did blow some calls for us. This is nothing new with Hightower so we should have expected this. In the end we have to play through the calls if they do not go our way because officiating, good or bad, is part of the game.
Obviously it wasn't fully on officiating, but to say that officiating didn't play a role in it would just be ignorant. Michigan was making a run and 2 or 3 obviously horrible calls went against Michigan, allowing OSU to break Michigan's run and get 7 points or whatever it was. That obviously played a huge role in the game, and when anyone says otherwise, I can only conclude that they are clueless about college basketball :)
And what makes you such a professional about college basketball. Please enlighten us.
Instead of answering your question, I would ask you to watch your 2nd ever college basketball game, and then get back with me with a full report of the referees shenanigans:)
I actually don't think this game, overall, was as bad as the one in Columbus, in which we committed seven team fouls in the second half before they committed their first. But in both games a bunch of calls suddenly went OSU's way right after we'd made a run, which was really frustrating. Now granted, it did not help that we went stone cold from the field at the same time as the stretch of shaky calls. We lost our composure for a few minutes, which you can't do.
But I don't think it cost us the game. Not having any super athletic and experienced big men did that. That'll come in time, hopefully. There's a reason OSU is #1 in the nation. If you want to get all the calls, you have to be highly ranked, and have players they assume can brush guys off with a shoulder move, or if they don't make it, MUST have been fouled. It's been a great run, and thankfully, it's not over yet. Let's not sully it with a lot of borderline whining. This team has done more than anyone thought it would (I mean, if you put Beilein under a lie detector, I'm sure he's even a bit pleasantly surprised). Let's see if we can steal one in the Tournament and really make some noise. There was no shame in losing today. They played their hearts out to the end, and there was no quit in them in a loss anymore than in their victories.
How about if we're being greedy, we steal 6?
(I've just doomed us to the play-in game so we can then lose in the National Championship Game again...)
I'm pretty sure it was physical in both directions.
Though I don't blame the refs for us losing, I am completely at a loss to why Sullinger gets SO MANY CALLS his direction. We were dumbfounded watching the game.
Doesn't have his feet set? Eh, he probably meant to set them... CHARGE ON MICHIGAN. He hits the ball out of bounds? Eh, probably didn't mean to... OUT ON MICHIGAN. He "bulls" his way to the basket with elbows flying and as though he's playing football on the goal line? Eh, he probably didn't do anything wrong... NO CALL NECESSARY
SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT TO ME
You are describing Darius Morris' game
it's becoming more of an NBA style game, where the superstars get the calls. Its not b/c they are #1, or OSU, or because we are Michigan. Its just the way it is.
Goddamn its irritating though
sullinger = blake griffin two years ago.
2 bad calls back to back when we were on our run to cut it to 2 but then that out of bounds call on sullinger and then the bs charge call on the same official....he acted like he didnt even know what to call at first....that killed our momentum bottom line...
when cbs put up tosu as the winner with 2 min down 14
You're not supposed to do that, no matter what the score is. We nearly made them eat their words.
the fix was in. cbs made their call.
I don't like blaming officiating. As said above the key to this one was that the back to back poor calls(both by Valentine, not Hightower) turned the momentum. But momentum will swing in games quickly. UM lost their composure, and that falls on themselves.
Their success this past month has come from playing on the edge of control at times, and making the big plays. Today, they went over that peak and fell on the side of out of control.
It was bad, but then again, it always is.
What I mean is, basketball is just frustrating because refs have a huge influence on the game. Always have, always will. It sucks.
Let's win in the tourny.
what game people were watching, if they don't think the refs catered to Sullinger. It was fairly blatant. That is the only part the officiating that truely pissed me off. The refs treated the guy like he was God out there.
That sequence of bad calls did have an impact on the mometum though. With that said, we also went extremely cold at the same time, which didn't help matters.
see that outbounds call, cleraly off of sullnger...what are you gonna do. I love this team tho, we need a better supporting cast behind timmy and morris.
Morris gets frustrated easily and when he does, he has the tendency to dribble alot, drive the basket, jump before he has an opening and put up stupid shots. Hopefully in the offseason he learns not to do that, learns to finish with his left and gets a nice pull up jumper. Also, I really hope we pull a big man into this recruiting class. In our losses against elite competition, that has been the difference.
The out of bounds call on the rebound that clearly was knocked out by sullinger was an absolute killer cuz that was when we were down two and they scored to go up four. Then right after that the block on Hardaway which was clearly a charge was devastating (especially because that was a much more obvious charge call than Morris' in the first half, which should have been a block on Sullinger). Sullinger made the first and missed the second and they put it in to go up seven.
Two really bad calls to help them go from up two to up seven when we had a ton of momentum. Highway robbery.
I thought the announcers were very good though. Usually they fawn over the #1 team in a matchup like that but they gave us a lot of credit for our last two months, which have been outstanding. I was pleased with that.
But I'm not griping about the officiating. Michigan got some breaks as well.
Nantz was on fire. He was the turd in the punch bowl with his "Fab Five ruined Michigan basketball" comment, but he owned it. And he weaves in the small talk well. Great job.
I heard when he said that. Gotta give him credit for being so unequivocal in his opinion. It's a side of Nance that I personally like but we rarely see. I remember how much he enjoyed that run back when he and Packer would do a lot of the Michigan tournament games.
I am thinking we won't hear that opinion tomorrow night on that documentary. I am hoping that some people take ownership of what happened or at least the documentary makes the point that some people should. Not talking about Ed Martin either.
I agree 100%
One of my neighbors knows about Matta from his days at Xavier. He says that there were all sorts of little gifts and fringe benefits going to the players and recruits in those days too. The same benefits have likely carried over to the OSU basketball squad, just like Tressel did from YSU to OSU.
From what I've heard, I think a lot of NCAA players get free gifts and gear. I heard that everyone on the football team at Michigan got Xbox 360s last time we made the rose bowl (among other things) and I'm guessing you see all the players wearing Beats by Dr. Dre headphones because they were given to them.
If the gifts were given by Matta himself that's a different story but someone correct me if I'm wrong in that players get free stuff
There were 2 calls halfway through the 2nd half that should have gone our way, instead went to tsiO. Those 2 calls represented about a 6 point swing while we were down 4 points at the time.
Yes those 2 calls really hurt, but after those plays, the team lost their focus and started commiting really bad TO's and taking ill advised shots.
Yes the refs hurt today no doubt, but the guys on the floor fell on their asses afterwords and tsiO's players stood up and stepped on our necks while we were down.
It's just frustration (not to mention comppletely illogical) to think that four or five egregious missed calls significantly altered a game with many more possessions.
The officiating is part of basketball and it's a dumb/stereotypical excuse. The better team won for sure today.
The thing that bothered me about the game is how Sullinger gets pretty much call. That blocking foul on Hardaway and the out of bounds call were terrible.
While I was watching I was getting continually more angry with the calls going towards Sullinger, which made me forget about the calls that went against the other Ohio State players. Then the 2 bad calls that went against us just made me lose my cool and I was in a pissy mood the rest of the game so every little thing made me mad and I felt the need to throw my overreactions all across the thread. In reality the officiating sucked both ways, but the calls towards Sullinger were lame. I'm sure we're not the only fanbase that feels this way, just ask Northwestern.
It really shouldn't be a surprise that a first-team All-American should get 50/50 calls. It doesn't make it hurt any less, but still, it's hard to see some of those calls going his way. Most of them were legitimate though.
Now that the game is over, losing to OSU is never an easy pill to swallow. However we really weren't going to improve our seed all that much and a little rest for a young team may just be what they need to make a tourney run. Just trying to find the silver lining.
gets the calls. The aggresive team gets the calls. Michigan appeared to be neither today for long stretches. There were a couple questionable calls, but that game was there for the taking and we took a nap. Understandable, because they just played 9 do or die games in a row, but I don't think the refs took it away today.
I think it was less a nap and more they got flustered when Valentine blew two calls in 30 seconds right when we got back in the game. And then the team (especially Morris) got frustrated and it ballooned rather badly.
I think with slightly more experience they handle that better and keep it close the whole way.
There was definitely a lot of frustration as the game went on. The mental errors and the baffling calls didn't help our cause. A more resilient, older team might have handled the pressure better but we didn't have what it takes today.
I think that we are better off down the road having experienced this today. They need to learn how to respond to a couple of bad calls. They bounced back and fought hard to the end, but that 3 or 4 minute stretch after the calls was brutal.
I only say a few fouls that were questionable or wrong. Refs get it right about 95% of the time. People just like to point to them when their team loses. I hate losing to that school more than anybody out there, but they are the #1 team in the country for a reason. Beating them is gonna be tough anytime. So let's regroup and dominate the tourney
If this had been a 4th loss in a row scenario, our astute fans would have been easier on the refs, being that the majority of their venom would have been tied up in calling for Belien's head.
complaints about the announcers in that game. How many times do you need to hear "Michigan is in the tourney" or "they certainly deserve a bid" for them to charm you. Had no problem with that crew at all and like the addition of Kerr.
I like Kerr a lot. Nantz has always been vanilla to me and Kellogg is fine, except when he's calling an OSU game, when I think he's a bit of an ass.
osu always gets the calls. Thats the reason they won in AA.
Complaining about officiating, in general, is weak-sauce and normally full of bias and ignorance.
I was at a HS boys regional final yesterday, and the amount of misdirected vitriol those poor refs had to listen to from both fan bases was ridiculous.
Ignorant fans ranting at refs, what a turn-off. My team never loses, it's those darn officials maliciously stealing another hard earned victory from my school.
My team never loses, it's those darn officials maliciously stealing another hard earned victory from my school.
Spoken like a true MSU fan
The officiating wasn't all that bad, not great but not terrible. Unlike our first game against them.....they handed the game to OSU.
After every loss, somebody always makes this lane argument about refs. It's ridiculous.