Hopefully we get a commitment or two. Rashan Gary is the main attraction along with Davis, Upshur, Mitchell, and Hill
I'll take all of the above Alex for $2000.
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That sounds SECish, except you left off several zeros
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I believe Upshur set August 8 as his commitment date although he was wavering on that as well. Hopefully we blow him away on this visit and remove any doubts from his mind.
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Starting this BBQ may be about the only thing RR did right while he was here.
denard
Ummm. Denard anyone ??
other hand is a bit odd. The BBQ is next Sunday.
Yup August 2nd
Rim shot
Maybe to the "unofficial" or "officially early" thread
Maybe he's going to have the First Official MGoBlog BBQ at his house.
Can we have directions Dennis?
Remember it is in the backyard. You don't need to go through the front door. Be aware of neighbor's bad dog.It barks all the time.
It is WD's 20th birthday today, maybe he is throwing him a BBQ birthday party....
If not, again Happy Birthday WD!
How did you find out?
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WD mentioned it another thread yesterday, IIRC in the Saturday Night Drinking thread.
RR did a lot of good things here. The only thing he did wrong was not to win a lot of games.
Not winning games wasn't the only thing RR did wrong, but it's certainly a big one
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Didn't help the freep went on a witch hunt because Rich was not a member of the old guard or kiss their ass enough.
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Yeah and I was only speeding because the cop had a radar gun and was out to get me.
Your analogy and opinion is stupid.
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You bring up some interesting points there, well done.
He wasn't completely wrong. Your analogy was shit
The faithful still playing the victim card for Rich
And the RichRod haters still somehow believing he just forgot how to coach his 3 years here.
And your analogy is shit because you implied the Freep wasn't on a witch hunt. You don't need to be part of "The Faithful" to realize they were on a witch hunt and greatly exaggerated everything in their piece
Well thanks for the replies but you don't strike me as the type of person I want to dialogue with, so you can claim a victory in this battle of wits if you'd like.
In other words, yes, you're right and the Freep was on a witch hunt. At least act like you said something dumb and realize it was ridiculous.
And to think I was concerned I may have mistaken you for a douchebag with a user name when it turns out the only mistake I made was speculating you may deserve the benefit of doubt.
Name calling is the last resort when you know you're wrong. Good job. Now tell us all how correct the Freep was and how they didn't have an axe to grind.
That's kind of a big deal. We weren't paying him $4mm/yr to organize BBQs.
And make everyone smaller
Brought probation to the program, forced a 3-3-5 defense on a team and DC fit for the 4-3, recruited vastly undersized players at nearly every position (a starting LB had to move to safety under Hoke because he was too small), almost completely ignored OL recruiting (8 scholarship OL on roster for Hoke's first season), also ignored DL recruiting (although not to the extent of the OL), then there's the whole "lack of family values" accusation by Boren.
But yeah.... Let's go with not winning games as his "only" wrong-doing.
As long as we're listing all the bad things (and only allowing one good thing to be noted), I'll toss in a few to balance it out:
He also recruited Taylor Lewan, Michael Schofield, Jake Ryan, Jeremy Gallon, Desmond Morgan, and Devin Gardner, among others. He developed David Molk on his way to winning the Rimington (after Rodriguez left). He helped develop Brandon Graham into a 1st round pick. He increased the win totals by 2 games each year and built the foundation for Brady Hoke's 11-2, Sugar Bowl-winning season.
It was acknowledged that he did a lot of good things here in the original comment. It also said the only thing he did bad was not win games.
I wasn't saying he only did bad things here, but he did do a lot more negative than simply not winning games. You mentioned 3 good OL there. But aside from those 3, he left Hoke with 5 other OL total. Regardless of who was coaching, there would have been some serious OL issues the past few years.
I also forgot to add the worst two defenses in program history came under RR's watch as a negative.
Lewan, Schofield, and Molk would mean more if he had the OL numbers to match. Gallon would mean more if he had recruited WR's with size. There was a time when Junior Hemingway was our biggest WR at 6'1". Greg Robinson is actually a pretty respectable 4-3 DC, but Rich Rod had the team run a 3-3-5 instead.
I wasn't simply bashing Rich Rod. I was responding to the comment that "the only bad thing he ever did was not win football games," which is completely and utterly false. Not that he didn't do some good things too, so don't misinterpret what I'm saying.
Ah, the midget WR talk that is ridiculous in nature and a pretty stupid point. Considering his first full recruiting class got to be redshirt sophomores and true juniors, I'm not sure how you can say he left Hoke with anything less than a question mark. It is kinda weird to think Hoke got to coach Lloyd's redshirt senior class though
Thank-you.
He should have been fired after year one. Year 2 at the latest.
Even with the loss of players after his hire, you have to think there was PLENTY of talent to win more than 3 games. I mean we lost to Toledo. TOLEDO. Toledo went 3-9 in the MAC that season. To me, that loss was worst than losing to Appalachian State.
But a close second for sure. A football team is like an army, you go to war with the one you have, not the one you want. I honestly think Debord would have done better as HC in 09.
RR's biggest problem was hubris and an inability to adapt. He should have let the DC run whatever scheme he wanted to and adapted his offense to fit the QB's we had, one of which was rated #9 in the nation when he was recruited IIRC.
It's amazing with his inability to adapt that he's been able to be extremely successful everywhere he's coached other than Michigan. I can't believe he forgot how to coach his three years here.
Also, the fact you mentioned adapting his offense and didn't mention that he got an offense that returned one starter and the whole decimated defense tells me you might have a bit of a bias
I'm a Michigan fan. I'm biased towards Michigan, not any coach in particular. If Harbaugh or any other coach posted a similar record I'd be calling for their heads too.
50 years we went without a losing season. Lloyd didn't leave the cupboard that damn bare.
Did you actually watch the talent on that team? Yes, Lloyd did leave the cupboard that damn bare, even simply from a numbers standpoint as a large chunk of his recruiting classes were not on the team before RichRod even got here.
Go read decimated defense and let me know how stocked the cupboard was
Appalachian State was a dynasty at the FCS level. 3 straight national titles during that time frame. I'd put them as being better than a 3 win MAC team, especially when you go and watch North Dakota State put up more wins against the Big 12 the past 3 years than Kansas has.
The top teams in the FCS can easily compete with the middle tier of the FBS, and pull a big upset every now and then. A 3-9 team from the MAC, I have a hard time saying the same.
Totally agree with this.
It's also hilarious to me when Spartan fans bring up App State because the team that lost to them beat MSU, coached by Mark Dantonio, on the road, in East Lansing.
When you look at an upset, you also have to look at the team that is being upset, not just the upsetter. The reason Harbaugh's Stanford upset of USC was one of the best of all time was not just because USC was really good that year, it was also because Stanford was awful. USC had a 35 game home winning streak and Stanford was coming off a 1-11 season.
The team that lost to that amazing FCS dynasty had NFL draft picks all over the roster, including 4 year starters at QB and RB to go along with 2 high draft picks at WR and possibly the best offensive lineman to come through Michigan. The team that lost to Toledo had the same record as them and was not a good football team. The Appy State loss will go down as one of the greatest upsets in college football history and the Toledo game will be remembered by no one other than RichRod haters
That loss was not nearly as bad as the loss to Appalachian State. We were expecting to be national championship contenders in 2007, and we lost to an FCS team. Regardless of what expectations were for 2008, it was a bad team without much talent that (if you subtract the Toledo loss) was still 3-7. Only six players accounted for more than 100 yards of total offense, nobody rushed for more than 533 yards, and nobody caught more than 433 yards of receptions.
I shrug my shoulders at the Toledo loss. It was a bad loss in Michigan's worst season during my lifetime. The loss to Appalachian State is widely regarded as one of the biggest upsets in college football history.
lord the RR haters are dumb fucks on here.
I wish I could up-vote this more.
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I see your point, but RR was fired because he NEVER won the big game. We kept improving by beating the teams we should, but never once did we beat someone who was a power. Furthermore, the inability to field a functional defense at any time during his tenure suggests that he wouldn't have got to the 11 win mark that Hoke did in his first year.
Overall, a bad loss is just one game. A bad 4 years with little suggestion that he would ever field a long term winner imo is a greater blotch