Ah, yes. I forgot about that. There are still other things that come into play when you add other markets like advertising, populations in the rest of the state, and whatnot, so I think my point is still valid.
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Bottom line - Texas + 3 randos makes less sense from an economic standpoint that just Rutgers.
Well, look at a map. Even with adding Nebraska, you have to pass through at least two states before reaching Texas. Adding Missouri or Kansas gets you down to one. Then, you consider that Texas won't come without A&M, probably Tech, and maybe Baylor, that's 2-4 teams that to bring you the Texas market. Now consider the teams you have to add to make them even remotely close to the Big10 and you are looking at another 2 at the minimum. It's just not worth the hassle or the extra teams to get the market.
I'm not opposed to them, I am just being realistic about it. flying in a plane to get to 4+ conference games each year is a huge hassle.
Did he say "expand into the south" or "expand south"? According to this
Missouri and Maryland are technically in the south. I know it's arbitrary, but so is pretty much every other definition.
Fair enough about the sun belt, but he also says "gaining a foothold" not conquering it. Plus, like I was pointing out and the other commenter pointed out, the other schools that we would need to take along with Texas just aren't worth it.
I would say Missouri or any on-the-border school (on the south side) gets us a foothold. You get Texas and you have stranglehold.
Like I said it's all arbitrary and who knows what he was thinking when he said that. He could have been throwing a stone into the woods for the media while they tried to massage ND into joining.
TX looks great on paper, but they are going to wreak havoc on the poor P10. They would do the same to the B10. I wanted TX initially too, but the more I thought about it we are better off with them in P10. Also, do u really want to take A&M, TTU, OK, Okla St and Baylor? Because that appears to be the price.
but TX and her five ugly sisters, NFW. Here is what is going to happen. They are effectively taking the entire B12 South (unless Baylor gets dropped for CO). TX will dominate that division and will constantly try to bully the conference and threaten to take its marbles and go home if it does not get its own way. We do not need that headache in the B10, especially if it means we have to split the money with the 5 other teams they insist we take to get them. ND is a pain in the ass, but it will be very hard for them to bully anyone.
And what about Texas? If the Pac 10 won't take Baylor, they've got to be back in play, right?
Patience, patience... Delaney's got this shit figured out.
I don't think anyone knows what the Big Ten is thinking. All the leaks that have seemed to have any basis in reality have come from the Big 12. I would doubt any Big Ten news that doesn't have a direct connection to the Big 12 at this point.
why on earth would we want the near bottom of the Big East, Rutgers or Maryland?? Especially if Mizzou doesn't make the cut. Should get Pitt or maybe even Virginia with its great academics and location.
I must have missed something, but what happened to Pitt? I know it wouldn't help extend the Big Ten territory, but I thought they were a good fit. I would prefer them over Rutgers and Maryland. Anyone else agree?
it it would agree to move closer to NYC:
You said it yourself:
I know it wouldn't help extend the Big Ten territory
It's all about money, and expansion without expanding the footprint means less money for everyone.
Well said. I wonder why they were brought up earlier in the discussion though.
When Pitt was being talked about heavily we were in the round of 64, maybe even the play-in-game, now I would say we are in the middle of the sweet 16. We are all starting to get a better picture of all of this as it comes together.
can someone explain to me when this would go into effect for scheduling/games?
would Michigan be playing Nebraska as early as September or would they wait a season?
they'd have to wait a season to get all the schedule changes done and get all the little things, and I'd probably guess some bigger things, in place
I've read many places that 2012 is when we would see changes. This makes sense considering we have already finished our schedule for 2011.
no earlier than 2011. I believe if they wanted to make this happen in 2011 it is possible but would probably cost $ in broken contracts etc. Off the top of my head, when the ACC raided the Big East in 2003, I don't think they were integrated into the conference until 2005.
Nebraska vs. Michigan
Nebraska vs. OSU
Nebraska vs. PSU
To a Michigan fan first, Big Ten fan 2nd, those look like some great games
Nebraska v Penn State is another contrived rivalry for the sell out Penn State. Why don't they still schedule Pitt or WVU... Because they are a bunch of pussies! Eat that Paterno!
Penn State robbed Nebraska of a perfect season in 1982 with the help of a terrible officiating call, then went on to win the national championship; in 1994, Nebraska claimed both national titles despite Penn State's 11-0 (8-0) undefeated season, their second in the Big Ten.
Nebraska vs. Iowa
would be a pretty big tilt too; Toss in a pretty solid Wisconsin and Nebraska is going to be black and blue by the end of the season...
maryland? that's a new name. fits the profile though. big research institution, academics comparable to some BT schools. location's a bit off though.
Welcome (if this is true) to the B10 Nebraska. I think this is a great get for the conference. I still would like to see 14, but if this is our 12 I'm cool with it. I wouldn't mind still adding Texas and Mizzou for 14 though.
In the words of an icon, "To hell with Notre Dame."
On the ND part, especially.
I would love it if the Big Ten stiffed ND. They spent years looking down their nose at the Big Ten and declining to join, while scheduling 3 or 4 Big Ten teams. I would love it if they missed the money train that is the BTN and had to take years of crappy records to try to re-up with NBC - who may not want them. Delaney should just play the clip of Bo saying "To hell with Notre Dame."
your college football history and tradition will be appreciated around here... even though you haven't sniffed a national title since 1995.
But they got down on their knees (not to pray) and stole a partial National Championship in 1997...
Ok... gotta go take a shower - I just feel soiled.
Sure, but it is tilted to the East, IME.
If it stays at 12 we probably won't be playing Neb all that often, but at least we'll be playing them some of the time.
That looks pretty good. Football only though. Hey, any chance we can get their hockey team and start a B10 hockey conference?
Put NW in the same division as ILL and PUR in the same division as IND, that way all the last week rivalry games are in the same division.
I don't know why it has to be geographical, but the East is stacked for both football and basketball. I think the intent is to have a balance spread of teams in each division. I don't know if geography will play in the splitting of divisions.
A: UM, OSU, MSU, Minn, Wisc, NW
B: Neb, PSU, Ind, ILL, Iowa, Pur
Just a thought, but I don't know if there is a perfect solution.
No need to split other sports into divisions.
SEC basketball is the only other conference sport to split into divisions, and there's talk they'll abandon that.
W: Neb, Wis, Min, Iowa, Ill, and NW
E: UM, OSU, PSU,MSU, Ind, Pur
NW is west of Purdue.
If they stay at 12, what happens to the UM/OSU game? It would be rough to play "the Game" then a Champ. game the following week.
The East is stronger in this scenario, and if ND and Mizzou join, ND would be East and Mizzou would be West, further strengthening the East.
No other way to do it, in my opinion. Indiana-Purdue must play every year, so this is the only way to keep all the essential rivalry games intra-division.
Nebraska-Iowa-Wisconsin is a pretty strong group.
Need some help with naming the divisions...
Original 6 (out of 7): ILL, UM, NW, PUR, WIS, MINN
1899 and beyond: PSU, NEB, OSU, MSU, IND, IOWA
John U. Bacon is disappointed in your use of the word 'ironic'.
Funny and plus 1, but too soon.
Hope this goes through that would be awesome. Since I'm from and live in NE i can now see UM play in lincoln and watch the huskers lack of offense and UM's pretty bad defense battle it out.
Go blue...and Big red
I'm sitting there with you, this is going to be an awesome match up between UM and UNL I live in Omaha and always keep hearing how Nebraska is better just pisses me off. This game can't come soon enough!
because it strengthens a West division considerably, allowing Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State to stay together in an East division.
It is also very smart as an incremental step, positioning the Big Ten well for expansion to 14 or 16, with Missouri and Kansas in the West and Pittsburgh and Syracuse or Notre Dame in the East.
Watching Sportscenter right now. The dude from orangebloods.com is being interviewed, and he said not only is Nebraska going to the Big10, the Texas AD and president told all of the coaches that "they tried to save the Big12 and failed," and that it looks like the move to the Pac 10 for the 6 other schools is happening.
Also, the bottom line is saying that it's being reported by Fox Sports Ohio that a formal invite is being tendered to Nebraska.
Is the 6th team Baylor or Colorado?