Official Vent Thread
RE: Denard's injury.... (I'm not a doctor) I've been dealing with an ulnar nerve issue in my dominant hand for about 18 months. I have a slight impingement of the nerve. 2 rounds of steroids, 3 bouts of physical therapy, and 1 elbow surgery later.... I stil have numbness and drop shit all the time. I also have some slight radial nerve issues as well, but its minor compared to the other issue. Those nerves can give you pain and numbness from the fingertips to the shoulder.
I'm not saying Denard has a serious long-term issue, but speaking from a similar experience with nerve issues in my arm, I couldn't imagine throwing a football let alone holding onto one. Again, I'm not saying omg Denard is lost. Its probably a stinger like funny bone hit that will be fine next week. I have to respect the coaches for holding him out in the 2nd half. Nerve issues are serious business....
It does suck losing in the crop circle though...
Ohhhh the pain.....
Still no playmakers on the outside, I am still hopeful for a few swing passes to "norfleet." This offense blows, nice play by the WR tonight, way to catch the football.
I still like to scream for craig like the old man in Friday "Get em Craig!!"
Hard to win that way. Amazingly we won one.
If I've counted correctly, 2002-2011 we had three games in which we failed to score a touchdown. Two in 2002 (Iowa and OSU), one more against OSU in 2007. This year we've had three now.
I'd be interested to know when was the last time we went two consecutive games without a TD, but don't feel like figuring it out myself. Weirdly, in 1998 there were two consecutive games where we scored 12 points, but both times that was by TD, FG, and safety (and we won both).
In 2002 against Iowa the 6 points did come from a touchdown, but the extra point was blocked.
The last time Michigan failed to score a touchdown in two consecutive games was in 1962 when they were shut out three times in a row.
Well done, thanks.
Didn't notice that about the Iowa game, just saw the 6 and assumed two FGs.
bringing in shit coordinators.
It's michigan FERFUCKSAKES. Is it that hard to find a proven coordinator that wants to coach here?
First Rodriguez undermines Schaffer, a proven DC and brings in his crony, GERG. I can't remember a Michigan defense ever being that bad. Cost Rod his job.
Then Hoke brings in Al Borges, a guy with a proven track record for mediocrity, or above average with the right talent.
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Please prove me wrong. Please, please, please.
I love you, is Greg out of Town?
Girl = Michigan when Denard got hurt, Dog = Nebraska
Snow = incomplete passes.
Thanks for an awesome LOL moment. I needed it this morning.
against teams that can stop Denard from just running all day, the offense can't do crap. 0 tds against ND, MSU and Nebraska and we were lucky to get those 2 against Bama.
when Denard was injured, and Bellomy went 0 for 10 passing.
when Bellomy had 2 interceptions and failed to score a TD after a Nebraska turnover.
when Touissant failed to break a long run.
At least Borges did not down on the field and run Denard's elbow with a wolverine plush toy.
Hoke certainly has a poker face, when asked tough questions on the field, but what will he do to take away the tough questions.
Help me Shane Morris, you're my only hope.
When was last Mchigan team to not to score even a single touchdown in three games in a single season?
In 2002, we scored 9 in two games, so I assume no TDs there. In 1998 we had two wins with 12 points -- again, I am assuming 4 FGs. 1984 shows a shutout and a 6 point game against Ohio. 1979 shows two 15-point games -- unlikely, but maybe 5 FGs. 1972 shows two, but one is an 11-point game. 1969 shows two, as does 1967. 1963 shows two -- maybe.
I'm calling this a 50-year record. Team 83 was shut out three times in 1962, and finished 2-7.
We have four games to play.
might? even if you believe Bellamy can "manage" a team for a year, who is going to the backup QB next yr if not Shane? Please dont bring Devin Gardner up - he is obviously not what the coaches are seeking
Well I would like to vent about this thread ruining TWIS for me I will no longer be able to get a laugh at others expense after this epically fail thread 326 posts in less than an hour.
1. Bellomy is not ready to be a backup QB.
2. Where is Rawls? Fitz was ineffective yet again and Rawls doesn't touch the ball.
3. Denard's first instinct was to go out of bounds then cut back in at which point I screamed at my TV and then took what looked like a harmless hit and the rest is history. Lesson learned? Trust your first instinct! You're already hurt and throw yourself into two defenders when you could have went out of bounds instead of trying to stretch that extra yard or two and this is what happens. I firmly believe with Denard the whole game we win this.
4. Play calling was miserable yet again, for example, 3rd and long, blitz in your face coming and you know it and you call a Option play that anyone with a brain in their head knew was going backwards right when the ball got snapped.. What was with all the East/West over and over?
Just a few that I can think of right now.
1. Bellomy was thrown into a road game, at night, Lincoln, Nebraska -- a very, very difficult place to play -- against a veteran Nebraska defense. I thought he looked like a RS Freshman -- he made some good plays, but mostly looked really overwhelmed.
2. Fitz has been ineffective because the OL isn't getting any push, nor opening any holes through which he can run. I agree that I'd like to see Rawls, but I have to defer to the guys that see the RB's every day in practice. If he's not getting any meaningful carries, there has to be a reason. I cannot speculate on what that reason might be, but I am certain that there is a good reason.
3. I agree, with Denard possessing the ball, the defense remains fresh, and Michigan wins.
4. I don't know what you were watching, but I thought until Denard went out, Borges was calling a very good game. He was mixing up the run and the pass, taking shots deep, and actually called runs from the I formation, instead of always running play action (something everyone in here has been complaining about).
I think the entire issue behind this offense is the ineffectiveness of the OL. They're far less effective than last year's OL, and it shows in Fitz's inability to gain meaningful yards, even against the weaker run stopping defenses on the schedule. I think everyone needs to re-fucking-lax. The sky is not falling, Borges is not unqualified, it's just that Michigan isn't able to control the line of scrimmage, and that causes trouble in every aspect of the offense.
This night could not be any worse. Loss to Nebraska, Tigers down 3-0, Sparty wins in OT, and Notre Dame beats Oklahoma and is now a real threat for a national title. These are the types of days I crave Zingermans to cheer me up. At least I have the mighty Lions to look forward to tomorrow....
Re: ND, sadly I don't see them any lower than 3 in the new BCS rankings, and 2nd wouldn't surprise me one bit. I has a sad.
To our wide recievers: "CATCH THE GODDAMN BALL"
This season we acquired two appropriate sized receivers, where one has good hands and the other has insane athleticism, yet we don't really play the long ball card when they have single coverage why?! Where did our explosive offense of last year go?
I hope Michigan's offense plays better.
Watching that game after Denard went out was like being in surgery awake and totally aware but unable to tell the doctor so all you can do is lie there in horrible pain and wait for it to be over.
Starting QB: Devin Gardner (no we need him as WR), Russell Bellomy (oh the horror, oh the horror), and Shane Morris (pray he gets over mono and does not get injured) or one of the many freshman QB's you can't name offhand.
Running back: Justice Hayes (if he does not transfer), Dennis Norfleet (if he does not get injured on special teams), or Thomas Rawls (after he finishs his Redshirt season, if that happans).
WR: we lose only Roundtree, but the real question - can any of them hold onto the ball, if by chance it gets thrown to them reasonably.
TE: we have Funchess, but there is another 5-6 TE's we never see.
OL: we lose only Patrick Onameh, Ricky Barnum, Elliot Mealer. Do we get a couple internal linemen, i.e. center or guard, who can shore up the protection for rushing.
Furthermore, will the QB always have to look to the sideline to get the play, or will Borges consider running a no-huddle offense or at least a hurry-up offense.
Can we improve our percentage in the red zone, or at least score a TD on defense, if not on offense?
Hate to say it, but we lose Lewan too. It looked all but certain that he was heading to the NFL after this season, and we just gave him a frustrating glimpse of some of the growing pains he would be facing on offense next year. Really hope I'm wrong...
It doesn't seem like his stock will really have risen much. And with the prospect of Kalis and Magnuson coming in next year... he could benefit a lot from the attention he'd get from a dominant OL...
Hope you're wrong...
He's had a bad season but I highly doubt he's our fourth best RB next year...
Soooo.... When does basketball season start. This game was a fucking disgrace. I usually try and stay positive however tonight there are NO positives. When you don't score a TD for 2 fucking weeks in a row and 3 of 8 games there's something going on. THIS IS FUCKING MICHIGAN. If one guy goes down we should be able to have more than 1 guy able to play the QB position. The defense played their hearts out but when the fucking offense leaves them on the field for an entire quarter they won't be able to keep it up forever. FUCK EVERYTHING!
This is the worst mgoblog has been since Penn State 2010. This thread is the definition of overreaction.
is very disappointing to me. He has killed Denard's mojo and natural instinct by forcing pocket passing on him. It is frustrating that our D is championship caliber while our offense has been stagnant and lacks explosiveness when we have the MOST explosive player in the country!
That being said, we need to win out and hope for some help along the way. Season is far from over.
Did you see Denard flinging the ball downfield tonight? One was ruled incomplete, but was perfectly thrown, and the other was caught. Borges was taking his shots, and has NOT killed Denard's mojo. Honestly, I don't know what some of you people expect, nor what the hell you're watching.
That on several occasions Denard stand in the pocket, patting the ball 5-7 seconds and then throws either a late, inaccurate short pass or hurls it deep, the majority of the time inaccurate or a wr can't make a play. These instances are clearly Borges hammering pocket passing in Denard's head when he should be taking off and running, gaining 7-15 yards a pop. I think Denard is a playmaker with his feet and his arm in a spread offense and he is not utilized to his full ability in Borges' hybrid offense. Watch Braxton Miller with Ohio and watch Denard this year. You think there is a difference ? Ohio has a one man offense and they are explosive because he runs the football when his 2nd read isn't open, not running through 4 progressions and throwing the ball late. So yes, I know what I'm watching each week.
You are absolutely 100% wrong. Look Borges has fucked up and we can all agree on that. But blaming denard hanging out in the pocket too long and not running cannot be pinned on any of the coaches. I've said this 1000 times and it continues to be true. Denard, for whatever reason, has always been a guy who looks and looks and waits and waits for something to come open rather than taking off. It was true under coach rod and its true now. RR and Borges/Hoke have all said on numerous occasions that they wish denard would just take off sometimes when nothing is there downfield.
Brian commented on this numerous times during UFR's in 2010 when RR was here. Finally, last year (in the Nebraska game no less) it looked as though Denard had turned a corner and finally decided to make his legs his third read instead of continuing to wait. That turned out to be an exception rather than the new rule.
Borges has done plenty this year and last to deserve being questioned, but if you have watched Denard over his three years as a starter, you would know that him hanging out in the pocket too long and refusing to give up on plays downfield has been a constant throughout his career.
Thank you for that response. Stan,s only reply to anyone is always "I don't know what the hell you were watching, but.....".
Denard has achieved what he has because of his instinctive play, not because coaches have told him what to do and when to do it. They not only took away his mojo, they may very well be taking away his shot at any position in the NFL other than good practice material for the starters.
- I refuse to blame this loss on Russell Bellomy. Yes, he didn't perform well at all. But he has had little playing time. None with ANY significance. About 98% of it was in garbage time. He is a RS Freshman going into one of the most hostile environments (nice fans though) in the conference. At night. Oh, and it happens to be one of the most important games of the season and has HUGE division significance.
- Denard is going to be okay.
- New defensive front for most of the game I noticed. DE-DT-NT-DE = Beyer-Black-Washington-Roh
- Smith is the new #2 RB. Rawls didn't play at all.
- Mario Ojemudia was seen limping off the field (Per Mark Snyder). Leg injury supposedly.
- Defense is elite. No help from offense though doesn't exactly keep the defensive players from not being exhausted.
- This is where I have really just started noticing the departure of Darryl Stonum really hurting the team's passing game.
- Gardner is ineffective at WR. Need to get him back to QB ASAP and start prepping him for next year.
- PLEASE STOP WITH THE OBVIOUS SUB INS OF REYNOLDS AND JACKSON WHICH ARE RUNNING PLAYS. K?
We passed to Jackson he dropped it when hit for an incopletion
Two straight games without scoring a touchdown, and I find myself watching this:
Yep, seems about right.
This was the last week I planned on rooting against sparty anyways so for now I am hoping that msu runs the table because it only benefits us. It may be too late to say this, but I really hope we don't become the main joke for twis this week. Keep the faith ladies and gentlemen lots of season left.
How the zone run blocking has failed the RB. Most of the time it seems there are 3 defenders in our back field ready to tackle our RB after he takes a hand off. A lot of the time Robinson will make a big play by running up the middle. I have to blame the O-line coaches for failing on technique since we do have some talented OL!
Never liked the idea of moving Gardner to WR! He should be the back up QB and be in the competition next spring for starting QB next fall with Bellamy and Morris. Gardner has much more talent at QB than Bellamy and should be the starter when Robinson is out.
At the beginning of the year I had Michigan losing to AL, ND, NE and OSU to finish 8-4. After noticing how average NE and OSU looked, I thought this was a good year for us to run the table in the B1G. If Robinson is injured and cannot play for the remainder of the season we may end up losing at home to Northwestern and IA.
We may have to get use to the 7-5 and 8-4 records for the next few years. Once we get more depth and better skill players, we should turn it around by 2015 during Shane's RS Sophomore season.
Seems like every few weeks after some miserable FAIL the projections for UM's return to dominance gets pushed back another year....we are now saying 2015, ugh!
Unfortunately, we don't seem to have a passing game.
Michigan's defense played well most of the football game. But when you're on the road in a veyr loud, hostile stadium, your offense has to get first downs and score some points on it's own, otherwise the momentum gets out of hand. Nebraska's defense shifted the momentum completely the other direction.
The refs were bad, but they effed over Nebraska too in this game on a number of plays. I'm sure Pellini is going to ask that crew be shit-canned after the game - even though Nebraska won said game.
I will say this. Nebraska fans I met with and sat next to were a class act - very gracious, laughing and having a good time talking with Wolverine fans. Some were drunk, but they were very happy after what happened in this same game last year. They kind of realize that they beat a Michigan team that was not at full strength today and the drop off with Bellomy was very surprising to them.
The guy behind me lamented after Denard Robinson ran for another first down "That kid is just such a phenominal athlete!" And NU fans around him nervously agreed. That was the highlight of the night I'm afraid.
GO BLUE! BEAT MINNESOTA!
A lot of people got sent to Bolivia tonight, but most of them deserve much worse. And let me be the first to say I believe this is the worst loss of the last two years, given the way we just totally threw in the towel. But the season is far from over. Stop trying to make TWIS.
I realize there's a wee bit of drinking going on but please, read through your post at least once before saving...