Just stop. For the love of god, just stop.
Put the bottle down and go to bed.
We should have lined Toussaint up at QB to ease his running struggles, Bellomy at RG, Omameh at punter, and then had Roundtree run in circles at the fifty yard line, even between plays.
I think our coaches have done a pretty decent job, but with the exception of Mattison, they just don't seem to be a very smart bunch. Unexplainable burning of redshirts, the Gardner move to WR, terrible clock management, EXTREMELY questionable playcalling and personnel decisions, etc. How can you just watch Bellomy completely destroy the chance to win the game and just sit there with your arms crossed?
Expectation is for the position at Michigan. Which means we tell them what we want and we are supposed to get it. If not then its not our fault its the tradition. Blame high expectations whatever it may be. My point is that you will not get an emotionally honest answer from any of them save Mattison.
I was very concerned when he came in, based on his sub-.500 record, etc. I hope he can be a good CEO type coach, with excellent coordinators doing their job. Everything I have seen has confirmed my fears about Borges. Landing Mattison was a coup. I hope Hoke and Brandon have the good sense to abandon Borges before too much damage is done (no later after year four?), and I hope Hoke can be a good CEO type coach.
the Gardner move to WR
I don't have much of a gripe with this ... I think having Gardner at WR is a net plus ... if we could just get the ball to him. It looked really promising early on, but of late he seems to have disappeared. I'm not sure if that's because of the opposing defense or something on our side of the ledger sheet.
Fuck all this deliberating over which 2014 QB we want to offer. Offer all of them ASAP, and let's take like three.
Ah, no reason to be mad. Sucks, but what are you going to do? I don't blame Bellomy that much.
Bellomy's responsibility to be prepared < Borges/Hoke's responsibility to get him prepared. I won't lie, I thought we would beat this team. Not our night. Shit happens.
thanks for cheering me up. Hoke should be fired? Hahahahaha
Under 15 years old, or not very intelligent.
We read your comment the first time.
I think that Borges needs to go, and I have never been a big fan of his.
I was impressed with the season we had last year, but as we know, a good/great year one is not a perfect indicator or success. Look at the first seasons at ND for Ty and Chuckles...
A poor mans Charlie Weis?!?!?! You may be the most irrational poster on mgoblog right now.
i always expect irrational venting after a night like this but you have taken it to a whole new level
The 98 is probably his birth year.
That's crap. For all we know Hoke and Borges privately tutor Bellomy every night (FTR, highly doubtful, just sayin'). It's on him to execute, and he didn't. Sure, they could've helped him out A LOT with playcalling, etc., but the second and third picks were totally on him (first one probably shouldn't have been ruled a pick at all). You just can't come out and shit the bed when you're the heir apparent.
The nerve is place in a tunnel that the nerve is supposed to glide through, the response to injury is to apply scar tissue to the site of the injury, if this is the case it will never glide through th cubital tunnel smoothly causing lose of feeling on a continous basis.
That is pretty much the beginning and the end of what happened. Bellomy was a little disappointing, but everything else that we saw became the likely outcome(s) of the game when Denard went down. He is the straw that stirs the drink, and he just wasn't on the field. That's it.
We were poised to take a 10-7 lead. Offence was able to move the ball. Aside from the one drive with the busted coverage and the pick route, defence was strong.
Wheels fell off with Bellomy in. Pelini was able to send the house at him and Bellomy acted exactly like a frosh with few snaps on the road would.
Sure, there's got to be some blame somewhere, probably Borges, for not being able to get anything done without Denard, but at end of day, if Denard stays in, we probably win the game.
Whatever, is done. Need beat OSU probably but still a good shot at winning division.
Obviously the results on the field are pretty much entirely attributable to Bellomy playing instead of Denard, but acting like that was the either or situation forced upon the team isn't true.
Devin Gardner was the #1 dual-threat QB recruit in the country, he's been on campus three years (two with these coaches), and he played at QB in most games last year (even when Denard was healthy) and led a key TD drive at Illinois. I don't know how anyone can look at Bellomy and Gardner and decide Bellomy gives you a better chance to win. Or even how you could think getting some contribution from Gardner at WR is worth not being able to use him (apparently) if/when Denard gets hurt (while also not prepping him for next year when he will again clearly be the best option at the position).
I think there were some questionable play-calls (the chuck it deep after we got it back in the 4th quarter down 7 was pretty mind boggling) but the frustrating issue is that we ended up losing the fight with such a big round left in the chamber unused.
Anyone got that Bauserman @Nebraska throwing chart? I have a whole new perspective on that, now.
Those Bellomy zone read calls were almost as ill advised as using Threet and Sheridan in the option. At least try some I formation or some Rawls.
It's hard to get excited about next year's offense knowing we'll have a true freshman QB or Bellomy.
"that" being to not even consider Gardner for QB, just more evidence of Hoke's limitation. Yes he can recruit and seems like a guy that is truly there for his players, but his decision making is at times questionable... may be putting it mildly.
Tyrann Mathieu had a better week than UM... but seriously...
At the beginning of the season, when it was announced Devin would be playing WR, I thought he would still be the 2nd string QB. Then I saw the engaging interview with Devin where he was bragging about his blocking ability (LOL) but he was insistent on playing QB next year.
So, I thought ok... He's going to play some WR and come in at QB if Denard gets dinged. Then next year he'll play QB and hopefully stay healthy so Shane can red-shirt.
Then I thought about it more, and I thought to myself that doesn't make sense... Denard isn't playing QB at the next level. He's going to be an ATH in the draft. We should have been starting Devin at QB this year (and possibly last year) under the Borges system. Denard would be dangerous on jet sweeps, screens, etc... Plenty of ways to get him the ball and keep him in play on 80% of the offensive snaps.
Also, this year was kind of a mulligan. We have Bama to start and a meh schedule in a meh conference. Playing towards the future with Gardner at QB, makes more sense than a run at a B1G conference championship. It's like Hoke put all his money on Denard and his legs. The O has been atrocious the last two games (including the 6 quarters Denard played). Not to mention, the turnover debacle in South Bend.
The O is a mess right now and next year doesn't bode well for us. Borges has to be called out. With Denard being a runner, Bellomy has to be ready to play. The risk of injury however minor will cause Denard to miss snaps. I think tonight proved he wasn't ready despite being in the system 2yrs. The unimaginative play calling is also a concern. Throw in the questionable personnel packages (last week Funchess/Gardner absent on 3rd and Goals, what the Dileo this week?, hey this Rawls guys can grind, etc...). This is the same guy that called the Vincent Smith halfback pass @ ND... We don't have typical UM or Borges system talent right now (especially at WR), but there are plenty of teams that do more with less. Borges needs to be able to adapt to his personnel. Borges has to be held accountable.
Hats off the D - they were on the field the entire 2nd half and they did their job in the worst of situations.
Honestly, that was the worst QB performance I have ever watched. Nick Sheridan could have done better. How is that our best option at back-up QB? There is ZERO excuse for that.
I am very sure he hates losing.
You want him to cry on the sidelines?
After games he goes back to his office and points at losing. With both fingers.
Moronic post of the night
Yeah...it's Denard's fault he got hurt.
How many points did we have before Denard went out? How many did we score against MSU with Denard in the whole game? How about at ND as Al called the Smith throw or the play-actions? This offense is terrible largely because of Borges and mitigated only a bit by Denard's talent.
In time we will all look back on Denard's senior year, which was remarkably injury-free and shared with senior talent at the skill positions, and stand aghast at how we could fail to score TDs in three (so far) games. Borges is a problem.
This is it. You are 100% spot on. Shut the thread down,
Borges is most decidedly NOT the problem, and anyone that promotes that theory is only displaying their utter ignorance of what makes an offense work.
Michigan's offensive issues stem from a woefully untalented and underperforming OLine. It's very difficult, to impossible, to have an effective offense when your OL cannot block your base running game effectively. When you run the ball well, the other team has to adjust to stop it, and then everything opens up. When you cannot, the opposoing defense is able to stay it their base set and don't need to take chances.
Again guys, this is a very simple issue that everyone is over complicating in their zeal to find a scapegoat. Why do you think Hoke has been recruiting the OL so hard? Ya think it might be because Michigan's OL is weak, and even with "veteran" players is underperforming?
What did everyone expect? We took a shitty Michigan State team down to a last second field goal and justified it by saying "uhhhhh MSU must have played really fantastic today!" What'd you want, to get tagged by Stanford in the Rose Bowl?
A few things
1. It wasn't going well prior to Denard going out. The offense looked like sh*t even with Denard in, granted better, but still pretty bad. We have no push up front. We couldn't run the ball. We weren't moving the ball with much consistency and didn't get any TDs. Heck we haven't scored a TD in two games.
2. This game exposed a LOT of our weaknesses. If you take away the underneath throws not only can we not beat you deep but we can't run the football on you either making our offense unable to move the ball. We get no push up front from the offensive line. We can't get a pash rush from our front four. Our secondary is not that great. And, our recievers aren't that good either.
3. Why didn't they put Garnder in? I would like an explanation. I'm not saying I know more than the coach, maybe they saw something in practice, but I want to understand their thinking. At some point, what could it hurt? Are we really worried about Bellomy's psyche? Isn't it the coache's job to play the best players? I've heard them say Gardner is our backup QB, so why not put him in once we realized Denard wasn't coming back and Bellomy was ineffective?
4. At least we get Minnesota next week, then again it's on the road, ugh.
5. Why is there such a big discrepency in our point outputs from game to game?
6. If Denard doesn't come back, can we expect to beat Iowa or Northwestern?...we do get them both at home.
7. This makes me really nervous for next year. Our defense will improve, but we lose some of our offensive line, maybe Lewan, and Denard. Can we move the ball without Denard, especially assuming we won't have a great running game (assumption there since we don't have one now)?
OK indulgence in the rant now over. I still love our coaches and have faith in Hoke et al. to right the ship. In all honesty I expected us to be 8-4 this year and we are looking the part of an 8-4 team. I also expected us to be in a rebuilding mode next year transitioning from Denard not being there. And, I expect us to blow up in 2014. All that still seems likely. Lets hang on to Conley, land Green & Treadwell, wake up tomorrow and get back to work.
Man I can't wait until we have some real talent and depth on both sides of the ball again.
would be helpful as well.
How in the world does Bellomy even got a full ride scholarship to Michigan? Who scouted this kid? He a faster running version of Nick Sheridan. He was
Without Denard there are NO Playmakers on this offense. Denard IS the offense. What will next year look like?
This oline is the opposite of what Hoke preaches. No toughness or physicality. They can't manhandle anyone. It's shocking how bad the running game looks. Take away Denard and there is NO
Running game. No one took a leadership role and stepped up and made a damn play.
But back to my main point, how the hell did Bellomy end up at the winningest college program of all time?
Wow they really should disable or moderate all new thread posts for 4 hours after a loss give peopl time to get over the butthurt and disappointment. This thread is fail and looks like something that can be found on RCMB. Go to bed, post tomorrow when youve had a chance to contemplate the fact that we are changing to O from what it was, and that going 11-2 last year has completely distorted some peoples logic concering the rethink of a teams playstyle and the time table involved. Next year will be a better benchmark on the direction of the program.
Look at me! I am the prime minister of England!
I am the chancellor of the Illuminati so go make me a coffee
How is this troling merely saying tomorrow after were sober/less upset would be a better time for a vent thread when were not shooting from the hip
ok I get it the mods are just as emo as the OMGzombii apocolypse crowd. I retract my last posts on the ground that logic has ceased to exist.
For the last time, we don't moderate individual comments.
With that said, we ARE moderating the board. I'd love to go to bed after a long evening out, but instead I'm reading 98's bullshit and trying to devise an appropriate punishment (my thought: Spanish Inquisition).
What's the point of venting if you wait to calm down? We're venting because we're angry now, we might not be as angry tomorrow which would make a vent thread pointless.
Fair enough guess it goes from normal to trolling on its own, or I just plain out dont understand the mechanics of the board(I don't)
Why vent now? Thats the point of my posts when you're agnry you're not really as thoughtfull as you might otherwise be. The post of mine that got hit as trolling was a toss out to stop threads being posted for 4 hours after a loss or atleast heavily moderated to prevent the type of posts we all laugh about in TWIS, now if we laugh at TWIS we're just hypocrites. So fail thread killed funny feel better about ourseves thread(article? blog?)
Red Stag on the rocks and Busch Light...lots of this back and forth. This is the only rational way I can vent right now. Otherwise, my venting may be as ineffective as our entire offensive existence.