This will be the official snowflake thread for thoughts on defense and defensive playcalling. I know these are early, but the system seems to work.
Official Snowflake Thread: Defense
Defense sealing the deal....next stop Happy Valley!
Not-so-happy Valley, I'm guessing.
still need better line play on both sides
When does Mattison take the training wheels off and get as aggressive as he did the last two years?
When Jake Ryan is back and drawing two blockers.
When we sneak Kovacs back onto the roster.
Whoever we need to dial it up against will not know it's coming.
Defense snowflake: meh
Must get better at the LOS. Didn't feel like we really dominated but winning the turnover battle was awesome to see
D-Line doing a better job. Secondary is in bad shape. Need moar Jake Ryanfense.
Huh? I thought the secondary looked better than the d-line. There were some easy passes by Minny but I'm guessing that was because of Michigan stacking the box once Minny had some success running.
D-Line is getting pushed around too much up the middle and I am really not a fan of the bend don't break approach. Hope it is just a matter of scheme rather than poor play and lack of strength. This will not stand against better teams coming our way. This will not stand, man.
They did score just one touchdown, but it wasn't always pretty.
Plus Minny's greatest Qb in the world barely had 200 yards of total offense.
and will be heavily exposed in the Big Ten.
Oline is soft and can't move people unless we have 3 tackles in the game.
Gardner is what he is and we're going to have to live with it.
On the positive side Funchess looks great at receiver, a move is iminant in my opinion.
We may scrape by and get to November unbeaten, but it isn't going to feel good.
I live in Lansing just be a fan of Lil bro. Shut up with the garbage.
Today was the epitome of bend-don't-break defense. I know Minny only found the endzone once, but wow, that TE of theirs was mauling us all day, and Leidner, aka Tim Tebow, aka John Elway, aka Joe Montana, seemed to have all day in the pocket.
Our defensive line is just very, very average right now, and if we lose Pip, it could get a lot worse. I still believe that Mattison knows what he's doing, but up until the end of the game, he called a very vanilla game that barely ever got pressure on the QB. Getting JMFR back next week should help, if he comes back next week, but playing this kind of defense against the likes of OSU would not bode well.
I guess a silver lining in all of this is that Da'Shawn Hand has to look at this kind of game and realize he'd essentially be a shoe-in to play and possibly start right away were he to commit for next year.
Ace was playing the voice of reason on twitter, constantly reminding that Minnie's first drive averaged less that 4 yards per play.
Which is nice, but Michigan needs to get off of the field. Too many quarterbacks look terrific against our secondary. I suspect this is because our coverages are conservative, because otherwise our DBS could get incinerated deep.
Probably a good choice if true, but frustrating.
Uh, because he had two passes completed on him for medium yards? What's the longest play given given up by the safeties this year?
Wilson us a good center fielder but mediocre in coverage. I'll take that.
You don't remember bad Stevie Brown very well.
Bad Stevie Brown = huge busted coverages and touchdowns. Not 10-15 yd completions followed by a tackle.
Any update on Pipkins' injury? I seriously hope he's not seriously hurt. He's our best interior D-lineman even tho some people will say Q-wash. But either way, would be a rough loss.
that the injury "looked pretty bad."
This really, really sucks.
Dang. Well hopefully he can pull a JMFR and come back quick.
I'm sorry, but it seems to me people here are being awfully harsh. There seemed to me that a fairly large majority of Minnesota's runs were completely stuffed for very little, so it confuses me to hear people talk about how soft our d-line was in this game. I did see the aforementioned lack of pass rush, but usually the term "soft" is reserved for poor play vs the run.
Pass rush is really bad. Run defense is okay. Secondary okay. Defending QB run is bad.
In this game, the lack of pass rush is understandable. If you don't get quickly around the edge, don't go too far upfield and let the guy run.
It would be crazy to blitz heavy against a team that is able to do little more than run for 3 yards or dump passes to the TE for 7. Why put high risk on the table when they can barely score against a vanilla defense?
Against a team with no playmakers, you're not putting yourself at high risk. In fact, you may force a mediocre QB into bad passes or fumbles, taking a sack, throwing the ball away on third down.... Maybe you can get off the field instead of letting them go 80 yards in 9 minutes. We're giving a lot of mediocre offenses time to get comfortable. It could be argued that is a bigger risk than attacking them and possibly forcing them into mistakes.
We did just win by 29, right?
However, even in victory there are areas for improvement.
Yes, but the game was quite a bit closer than the score indicates, right? It was 14-7 at the half.
Both the o-line and d-line have looked very average at times against inferior opponents. Its worrisome.
Yes, the Big Ten isn't good, but I don't see this team beating MSU or Northwestern on the road or Ohio State at home. Happy Valley next week could be tough, too.
it was 14-7 at half because there were only 7 real drives. Michigan powered the ball the entire way down the field on the first one, went 3 and out on the second, got the no call on blatant pass interference on the third, and scored a td on the fourth. If we had started at a normal field position rather than the 1, on that third drive, we'd have been in field goal range after moving the distance that we did. Our offense was good the entire game. the problem was that the drives were taking so long that there were less than 2 opportunities to score per quarter.
Yes, but our defense was outscored by their offense. We only scored a touchdown. They had a touchdown and two field goals.
I think it would be nice if we played cover 1 some time. Or maybe man under. That would be cool. But no. Cover 2 all the time. That plus no pressure = PAIN
Lack of pass rush again, which is discouraging because the d-line looked like it was making strides in that regard against UCONN last week. Vanilla playcalling by Mattison is becoming somewhat frustrating, particurly against inferior opponents. Pipkin's injury is obviously not good. Defense also didn't do a great job getting Minny off the field on third down. Pass coverage issues by LB's also seems to be a recurring trend.
With all that said, the defense only gave up 13 points, 280 yards and less than 3.5 yards a rush so it is hard to be highly critical. Still would like to see more dominant performances against inferior competition, but at least a Mattison led defense playing poorly can still hold teams to a respectable point total.
I liked our defensive game plan. Bend but don't break is fine by me when were playing against a young QB and a generally poor offense. Keep everything in front. No big plays to give them quick points and confidence. Make them run a bunch of plays, which gives the D a chance to get a turnover or two.
280 yards and 13 pts defensively isn't too bad. how many non EOG possessionsdid they have? 9-10?
we're getting some pressure, but not too often w/ 4. it did look like we are executing blitzs a bit better.
It isn't too bad - actually, it is the third time this year that we've held a team to under 300 yards of total offense, which is a good overall performance for the season. The sole abberations there would be Akron (418) and Notre Dame (410).
In addition to this, we held Minnesota to an average of 4.53 yard per snap, which is within a few hundredths of the season average of 4.56 yards. In other words, based on data to date, a typical performance for us. I will take it.
Black was getting doubled out of the play regularly. They probably need to play Henry more on short yardage situations.
I thought Cam Gordon and Brennan Beyer both looked pretty good. When Jake comes back, can we just play all three SLBs at the same time....
- We won and only gave up 13 points
- Pick 6 is always nice even in garbage time
- Tackling was uggh... I think part of that assessment was Leidner was deceptively fast and a bigger load than our guys were expecting
- Lost the war on a lot of 3 and short situations
- Maxx Williams is still wide open. Guy looks to be a stud, but man we didn't do a great job of covering him.
- Pass rush was marginally better from 4 man rush, but nowhere near what we would like.
- 3rd & Medium - QB draw anyone - everyone knew it was coming everytime but we couldn't stop it
This game was kind of hard to figure out. We played bend don't break and we won. It didn't feel dominating and it wasn't a blow out like 42-13 would suggest. We're really young on D and I'm thinking that is part of the issue. We only struggled tackling the QB. The front four was average for the most part - there were some sparks with Jibreel and Clark on a few plays.
Overall, it was kind of meh but we won. Obviously areas we could stand to improve on and getting JMFR back will huge. He could really ignite our pass rush.
Countess had an interesting game. Beaten pretty badly on a long ball, but bailed out by pretty severe underthrow. Pick six. Also notice he was off the field for a while with Taylor and Avery at CBs. Didn't seem to be hurt, but maybe I missed it.
1st half we looked meh against a team Iowa pretty much dominated. The d-line seems to generate zero pass rush, hopefull pee-wee is okay...i do think the defense will get better once JMFR comes back. The secondary seems to be worst, particularly CB's. Raymon Taylor and Countess seem to get beat a lot. Happy with win, I think we`ll get better each week. big test on the road next week.
You guys are putting a lot of hope in a guy coming back from an ACL injury. I don't think he'll be the same player until next season, but I hope I'm wrong.
Besides that 16 play drive in the first, the defense looked good. We have a DB with 4 picks!
Still seem conservative with our defense, not the aggressive blitzing I thought Mattison might dial up. Had trouble getting off the field on 3rd downs, but mostly a solid outing.
to be holding back, maybe due to youth, inexperience, lack of talent, i don't know what. hopefully JMFR brings it soon and this defense carries us the rest of the way.
Seriously guys?? Calm the eff down. This was a very good defensive performance. They had one good drive with 75 of their yards (and most of their 3rd down conversions). Outside of that they had 206 yards on 9 possesions with two turnovers and two field goals. I'll take that kind of performance any day; one bad defensive possesion a game is good with me.
Yeah the defense played bend not break, but that was the gameplan. Looked like Hoke wanted a slow game (see no passes for Gardner in the first) so that the team would remain settled.
For those of you complaining about Countess...REALLY? He has 4 picks this year and got beat on one play (which they didn't even convert). Any other catches in his area are usually by play-calling and he makes the tackle dang near immediately. He has been fantastic.
Have some faith in this defensive coaching staff and how they call the game. It worked. Mattison is a top defensive coordinator in the nation and turned the worst Michigan defensive in history into a top 20 defense in the nation in one year.
a bend but don't break defense for a while. I thought our D-line and LB play would be better! In a few years we will have one of the top defenses in the country, especially if Mr. Hand decides to commit to us!