is mediocre at best "dude".
a terrible blight on our fine country
is mediocre at best "dude".
Averaging six yards a play. The offense was fine, other than the turnovers, which were two execution errors by our six game starting quarterback and a poor decision by same.
into the game sparty was at best # 4 d in the conference behind osu, psu, iowa and maybe even wisc. greg jones was supposedly no better than manti te'o and we were supposed to be able to pass over their secondary. despite this we still only put up 17 pts.
now its true we could have underestimated their d but its equally true our o isnt what it seems like it was against the powerhouses of uconn, nd, umass, bowling green and indiana.
I repeat: 6 yards a play without any really big ones. There were a couple mistakes in the red zone by the guy who has been playing out of his mind so far.
Except for that iceberg thing.
I know Brian loves his yardage, but last I checked points win the game.
some people just don't get it.
I'm not saying that RR needs to be fired, but to give him a pass for the talent on the defense is silly. He's been the coach for three years, and his recruits are now juniors.
THIS is the defense he has recruited.
Maybe RR told Robinson to NOT be a accurate? Maybe RR told his receivers to NOT catch the ball? Maybe GERG told his players to tackle by the face mask? Maybe GERG told his players to miss tackles and NOT wrap up?
The players lost this one by not executing. It's all teachable though. Learn and let's get ready for Iowa!
Not being snarky, you are right. But we've been teaching it for two years now and there is literally no sign that tacking is improving. A mediocre player can in fact be taught to tackle correctly. Sigh. I don't know, I'm just frustrated like everyone. I'm struggling with the whole lack of talent/experience thing vs correct fundamentals. Can't mediocre players still tackle properly and do their assignments properly?
Watched the game with alums in the Bay Area - our offense just wasn't very sharp today - denard's poor passes, mediocre production from the RBs, and all the dropped passes were all uncharacteristic.
It's going to be painful to hear all the psychotic and obnoxious rants from the Spartys after this loss..... But I still have faith that Denard will bounce back and deliver a few more thrilling wins for us this year though.
did you watch in berkeley at bobby g's?
it's just painful when you know that you're offense:
(1) needs to put up 35+ to win
(2) is totally able to move the ball, BUT
(3) continually shoots self in foot.
our D had it's standardly pathetic display of slow reaction time and poor tackling. In other words, they did just fine! in my book, if they keep opponents under 35, we have a chance to win.
they weren't in position to make those INT's, the passes were poorly thrown, properly thrown, they're catches.
Always were. Nothings changed. This is and will be a very loooooooong and painful rebuilding.
Your parents either have you walk really fast past the man-spectacle or close your ears or something as if to shield you from allowing this dark scene from becoming a part of your worldview? But you can't help but stare, because this is reality in front of you? Pehaps that man is even an uncle who you really looked up to. That's how i feel right now. I tried ignoring the omens of what Michigan football is and what reality is. I even yelled blatantly at my friend who said RichRod deserved to be fired because of his insistence of the 3-3-5. Telling myself, things are looking up and Denard is the symbol of hope for a better tomorrow manifested in human form. Well now it just comes crashing down. Tay Odoms even has a broken foot. Hope is hopeless. All you can do is try making facebook statuses as therapy. It's not Denard's fault though. He is human. So is your drunk uncle. It was your fault for believing a smiling sophomore could carry the expectations from an entire fan base on his shoulders.
So what do you do? What can you do? Just type "Go Blue" and find the next thing in the near-distance future to hang your hope one...Michigan against Iowa
There are three very winnable games coming up (Penn State, Illinois, Purdue). Iowa and Wisconsin are good, but still vulnerable. Even OSU is vulnerable to option QBs. Many of us predicted 8-4 this year, which is still doable. It sucks that MSU is one of the 4, but that's how it is.
Heisman is still possible too; we just need to get our shit together for the rest of the season.
As Penn State starts looking doable, Illinois is suddenly looking losable?
I wouldn't say "worried", but I was thinking the same exact thing today. But, I don't see any reason why we shouldn't be able to get to 7 or 8 wins, which is exactly what I expected coming into the season. Not to rehash what's already been said, but... the offense was awful today, but I'm confident they will turn things around. Without the turnovers the game would have been down to the last drive.
That a game that seemed a gimme is now possibly hard. Not that we CAN'T win it. Just like PSU went from a game we wouldn't have a chance in, to one we could win. (Yet going there, we could still conceivably lose).
I'm oddly stable about this one. From the start of the season I figured we needed to score 35 to be assured a win. The defense held State to 31, so 35 would have won it. We also got some good pressure bringing four rusher. On the offensive side you add on the two TDs from the red zone turnovers and that failed field goal at the end of the first and we points and the win.
Denard reminded us he is a soph and this is the first year of starting. Henne did the same thing a few times during his soph year. We're a young team and young players make mistakes. Period. That's what happened to us today. Our schemes worked on both sides of the ball IMHO. You have Denard take back a couple bad reads he made and we're headed to OT at the very worst or likely winning it in regulation.
Also we had some flashes of brilliance in the run game.
I think people are melting down because after a flashy start we forgot where we were on the rebuilding map. The team reminded us of that today. It hurts, but it is the truth.
Let's just call this what it is: There's a ceiling for a team with a defense like this and a total disaster of a kicking game. You can't do much when your kicking game forces your hand when you should be putting points on the board, and you can't do much when your defense can't stop the other team from racking up big plays and tons of points.
It's frustrating, but this game was the reality check.
that we can't seem to get past? It seems like they do just enough to win, and have just enough big plays in timely situations to beat us... I hate to be so emo with my first post, but it's just... awfully annoying to see the smug grins of those two guys every year after they beat us...
Tressel has obviously had our number but I'd attribute losing to Sparty more to all the shiiiiiit that has happened in the last three years within the program (injuries, personel, etc) not Dantonerino
Tressel beats UM because his teams are extremely talented and play disciplined football. MSU has won a couple of years in a row, but let's not get carried away. MSU has an experienced team with good talent, but I'm not ready to crown them yet.
And really, none of them have been close, but for an almost miracle comeback last year. You can't credit MSU without admitting - he owns us. And he will till we can now put 2 in a row on them. I mean, 2 of our 3 losses were at home....
Dantonio has also had the luxury of facing three consecutive first-year starters at QB for Michigan. Young QBs make mistakes. Cousins threw two picks in last year's game, and Forcier made his share of bad throws. Today, Cousins was sharp while Denard was unusually off. I do think he'll do a lot better next year.
A young Michigan team lost and MSU took advantage of our mistakes like a decent team ought to do. Now, the fact that we made what looked like to be so many unforced mistakes in a weird way gives me more hope b/c I honestly think that those are correctable.
At least Alabama lost. That'll help keep the focus off of us this week.
That probably gives Ohio State the National Title.
Except they still have to win that BCS Championship game. They haven't had too much luck with those.
They get an Oregon team they already beat up last year; some sub-power like Boise; or heck, if it gets weird, maybe MSU. Here's hoping Nebraska can make it an all "Big Ten" final instead. (Ugh. Reduced to rooting for the Cornhuskers. That's how bad it's gotten). Because Oklahoma has had even less luck in bowls that OSU lately.
I'd rather be where we are now, then where we were in 2007 at the same point. Difference: beat MSU in 2007. Our stock is going up and it clearly wasn't then. But blue chip performers dip every once in a while on the way up.
To the casual fans and MSM, (most of the Rich Rodriguez haters and obnoxious Sparty fans are just casual fans), winning the rivalry games are all that count. Not the general direction the more serious fans see.
Get ready to put up with a lot of really annoying chatter and smack talk for months on end. That won't change until Michigan wins these games with MSU, OSU, PSU etc.
Beating Iowa would change perceptions in a big way though. I'd say it is a real opportunity for this program.
If there's anything I can't stand, it's the continual attempts at revisionist history about the Carr Era here. I don't get it. It's like we feel we have to trash the hell out of Lloyd and Lloyd's teams to boost Rich Rodriguez.
Give it a rest, people.
I agree that trashing Carr is useless, but that doesn't mean people can't be critical of his latter years. He was always a great recruiter and a good guy, but his playcalling left something to be desired and his teams struggled toward the end. People are already burying RR and have been doing so since he arrived at UM; I think it is fair to point out that all was not rosy with Carr.
Yet it gets pointed out, whether directly or between-the-lines, in just about every major thread. It flat-out doesn't matter anymore.
I saw an MSU team with tricks and switched up plays that worked. I saw us...not so much. But it wasn't even that bad. Just this tried meme that we were so bad play calling then, and thank God that's over, is stupid. This team was outcoached today. It's not a career indictment, but let's be honest and say it hasn't been some grand improvement either. For all the bad play calls and poor recruiting, Lloyd did win his last SIX vs. MSU (and would have been 8 but for some cheating).
If you'd rather not have winning streaks vs. MSU, PSU, Purdue, Illinois, and be winning bowl games vs. Florida, that's fine. But don't still credit where we're going to Rich without blaming him for where we are.
Sure, Iowa is an opportunity. But it could also make for a LONG bye week (which made this game so important). I'm guessing you're not hitting Vegas with your confidence over next week's opportunity.
This team will rebound. I just hope we wrap up and tackle better defensively.
Meh, the game was a disappointment of course. However, had we lost to a team like Iowa or Wisconsin in the fashion we did today then it wouldn't have hurt nearly as bad. The offense just wasn't having its day and the defense was the defense. Today has made me realize how much I really dislike the fans of MSU though. Sparty running all the way across the field to stand right in front of the student section and wave the MSU flag after the game was the icing on the cake. He had no reason to run over and do that so he was going 120 yards out of his way just to be an asshat. Go Blue, Beat Iowa.
I've collected my wits, and I'm sorry for my earlier tirade. Iowa is definitely beatable, since I don't think they have anywhere near the quality on offense that MSU does. I wish the best to Martin and Odoms -- we need you guys!
Well, at the beginning of the season, if you told me we would be 5-1 at the midway point, I would have said, "Yes please, thank you." Losing to Sparty sucks, but with our defense forcing us to have to score over 30 to have a chance, I think everyone knew were were going to take some lumps in conference play. Right now, I would take 3-3 for the rest of the season and be pretty happy with that.
Ok, on to the "reacting". Denard had to come back to being human at some point, and today was the day. The defense is a lost cause, I can see it getting slightly better as the secondary continues to learn on the job, but until we have better talent on that side of the ball that knows what it is doing, we are not going to see that much of a leap. We are half way through the year, it pretty much is what it is, terrible. However, the running back situation continues to vex me more then anything else. Can we please see more of the other backs? Smith/Shaw are just not the solution, and we have at least 6 more games (hopefully 7) before we can annoint Dee Hart as our running back savior. Lets see what the other guys can do.
We're not the only team Sparty has beaten this season. Sparty will run over a lot of teams with their balanced attack. No one expected us to run the table in the big 10. We didn't execute and we lost the turnover battle. We know what we did wrong, and we can learn from the mistakes. We have a young team and perhaps the offense thought they were unstoppable. Every good offense has their off days. Perhaps we can come out sharp next week for Iowa.
didn't execute in critical situation. Two of the INTs that Denard threw was simply bad throws, not bad reads. I have to see it again to check on his mechanics because he was either late in his throws or his footwork didn't allow the ball to come out quicker. After that, Denard seems more indecisive and it shows when he hesitiated when he threw up for grab to Grady.
The OL had trouble sustaining blocks in the 2nd half and that's probably due to MSU slanting hard with LBs filling up the gap quickly.
The WRs had several drops. Roundtree was the most notable one but it didn't matter since they scored a TD. Hemingway was simply trying to run before he secured the ball. Stonum stopped a little bit but if he had kept going, he would've caught the ball.
The defense made a few stops but the LBs play were disappointing. Ezeh was consistently late to fill up the hole and get washed out easily. Mouton had some good moments and other bad moments.
Cam Gordon had a terrible game and doesn't look to wrap up which is frustrated me. His mistakes were magnified even more because the front 7 didn't do very well. Michigan need a S who have the speed and the range plus sure tackling ability to succeed.
Well, sadly this one went how I expected. I was hopeful going into this one, but had a very strong suspicion we would get outplayed like we did today. It sucks because it's Michigan State and we have to deal with their fans for a few days, but we are still 5-1.
We now need to put this one behind us and not let the bottom fall out of this season. The only win I am confident in is at Purdue. Beyond that, anything can happen. Iowa can go either way and OSU will destroy us. Wisco and Illinois I am still unsure about. Overall, this can still be a solid season, provided we can win 2-3 of our remaining games.
Talk agains RR is way premature now. Just as 1 big win can't define a coach, neither can 1 bad loss (speaking only of this season). How we respond the rest of the way will be more telling of RR than just 1 off-game.
1. Defense played to expectations, it's frustrating but no more so than any other week this season and, at this point, I don't ask for anything more than 4 stops in a game from them. I am excited about Jibreel Black though.
2. I wasn't annoyed by the playcalling (minus the punt at the end of the game which RR explained in his presser). I was annoyed by the lack of execution. I would not have been surprised if the defense cost us the game, I was a little disappointed that it seemed mostly due to lack of offensive execution.
3. This game served as a reminder of my season expectations. As explosive as this offensive is, there are still some really young players out there who have a lot to learn and a lot to develop (which, holy hell, offensive juggernaut here we come). This loss was to a pretty good Spartan team and was a toss-up coming in. It was not a "must win".
4. We're going to get those 8 wins and possibly 9 and have a spectacular showing in a bowl game this year. RR stays the course and we continue the climb back to the top.
Let's demolish Iowa.
I don't think I've ever been more upset about a penalty on another team than I was about the false start penalty that wiped out a nice stop by the D. State converted the subsequent 3rd and 15 and eventually scored the a TD on a long run. Man it really felt like we were cursed today watching this game (maybe I'm projecting my Cubs fan angst on this team).
They need to get the play stopped faster if it's not going to count. That completely turned the game.
While it aways hurts to lose to sparty, they are a good team. And i dont think that anyone thought that we were going to go undefeated, so all is well. My question / concern is; will this loss start to slow our recruiting momentum? After just landing Dee it seems like we had a lot of momentum, with alot of visitors at the big house for the game. Hopefully they see this loss as potential playing time, and not be turned off by the loss.