Discuss any possibilities you want here. There's about 15 different threads reviewing theories and they can all just be centralized here.
fair point that
I think that one was a given. He's now a starter and a necessary anchor in the secondary.
It's just that CC isn't really in the discussion of "can this guy play corner." He HAS TO play corner. Ready or not, good or bad, hell or high water. I'd be okay if the coaches wrapped him in bubble-wrap from now until September 4th.
What is important is not having one really good guy starting at any given position, but having depth, e.g. a group of 2-3 players pushing each other for time, each capable of handling the responsibilities of the position if the guy in front of him goes down. This is how Oklahoma had injury armageddon last year and still finished a very strong 8-5, less than 10 total points from likely winning the Big 12: their backups are almost as good as the starters.
The problem for us right now is there are not enough warm bodies on our CB depth chart. No one is saying this offensive convert is going to start, but we need to start training someone in the likely event that another injury occurs at some point in the season or one of the starters gets tired at some point, in some game, and needs to rest.
that you're fine with what had just happened? Personally, I would have liked to have seen some depth.
a) We have early returns from coaches and players that he looks good, as well as comments from FormerWolv, who saw him in person.
b) If you can show me a depth chart that doesn't include CC as a starter (or at the VERY least a 3rd/nickel DB), and that doesn't make Henri weep (even harder), I'll give you Eleventy Billion MGoPoints.
So yeah, it's not a "given," (much like Sheridan wasn't a "given" to ride the pine last year) but CC is going to line up for the first snap against UConn... unless Angry Michigan Secondary Hating God gets to him first.
I would agree. But when your choices are (a) highly touted, yet unproven, freshman at his original position, or (b) the player who volunteers when the coach asks "hey, who thinks they can learn to play corner in two weeks?"... I'm not JamieMac, but I'll put my money on (a).
At corner we had Warren, Cissoko, Floyd, and Woolfolk (eventually), so the question was "can Turner beat these guys for a spot"? This year, who does CC have to beat to become a starter? Courtney Avery, Terrance Talbot, Teric Jones, James Rogers, and whatever other warm bodies the coaches find.
I'm not an insider or a prognosticator. But CC will be a starter.
From FormerWolv's practice musings last week:
That was one of the few points he made. It's obviously not a direct comparison to Talbott and Avery, but it certainly suggests he's performing well and should see the field. And, he said that before the Woolfolk injury.
I'm not asking you to do anything. I just passed along some evidence that he's doing well and that he was likely to see the field before the Woolfolk injury...according to someone who's seen practice. You can do what you want with it. I just found it helpful and encouraging.
Any Duke basketball players laying around with a year of eligibility left.
I think some of the new freshmen safties will have help out, Carvin, Ray, and Marvin (although I think he has a shot to get some time at safety this year, CB is now in more dire need this year).
I don't know how T-Rob hasn't gotten more play here. Plays at a position w/depth, fast, shifty, questionable hands. Isn't that the prototype?
JT Floyd and Cullen Christian or Teric Jones. I would be surprised if it was anything else.
our comprades over at maizenbrew have a rational look at the big picture and what we're working with currently, without anyone switching (except teric jones switching back from safety):
That was good at calming me down (for the moment). Thanks, good link.
So my thread with tons of logical reasons for Denard Robinson is going to be deleted offhand?
And I'm not saying your thread should have been deleted. But I feel comfortable in the prediction that we're not going to play our (likely) starting quarterback on the defensive side of the ball.
Your sarcasm meter needs to get charged up.
Yep. There it is. Mea culpa. Looks like I've been more affected than I thought by the general bloodymindedness of the universe.
Yeah, I should have used Will Campbell. It's been a rough 24 hours.
might be the worst part. At some point since yesterday afternoon, I thought to myself "I wonder if we should line up our starting quarterback as a corner, too." And that idea didn't seem batshit insane.
Zack Freakin' Novak
Watching Novak and Vinopal in the same secondary together would be like eating an unwashed lettuce sandwich in a wind-storm in the Sahara.
You're like the slot-ninja of words.
is the simplified defense with heavier reliance on what we're hoping are more capable LBs. one would hope he could step up in an easy zone.
I think its time that RR or his coaches need to start hanging out in the track and field building.There were quite a few guys that ran with D-Rob during track season. Find someone else who can run fast enough to keep up with WR's and wouldn't mind throwing a hand in their face. When ND tries to pick apart our secondary they would have a big surprise....just a thought
He still has a year left. (A man can dream right?)
(sigh) but seriously... I think we have to look at a guy like Drew "The Real Dealio" who's primary position would be PR/KR but have the ability to mix in some DB work... this is unreal. Truly unreal.
It's not like we're counting on them in their current positions.
that most of us think that the sky is falling, lets just revamp the d alignment all together.
Lets go with a 5-5-1. that way we really dont need a secondary.
So here we go the new and improved starting D
banks, Big Will, sagesse, martin, RVB
mouton, fitz, ezeh, demons, robinson
I am jokking if this isnt clear.
... and two years of eligibility left, currently at Tatooine Tech, I believe:
Fluid hips, good with his hands, big enough to jam receivers... but I worry about top-end speed.
...at least this year we have actual scholarship players that we can throw out there. Granted, they aren't exactly experienced but at least there are options. And a little bit of time to get it sorted out too. Last year when Boo Boo self destructed, it was a matter of duct taping things together as quickly as possible.
Embrace the chaos, my friends. And dear offense: please score a lot of points.
Technically Woolfolk started last year as a safety.
We lost four DBs from last year (Boo Boo, Warren, Woolfolk and Turner) but added six scholarship DBs with this recruiting class (Avery, Christian, Johnson, M Robinson, Talbott, Vinopal) plus two position changes (C Gordon and Rogers moved back from Wide Receiver). Everyone else who stuck around (Vlad, Floyd, etc.) is a year older.
I'm probably forgetting people but right there you're up four DBs from last year, with added experience for the youngins from last year. I'll grant you that Woolfolk is a better DB than any of the six we added, but at least this year we have warm bodies.
I'm sorry that sophmores, redshirts and true freshmen are unknowns. What do you want to do, trade someone to the Jets for Darelle Revis?
What do you want? Kittens? Will kittens make you happy? Here, have some goddamn kittens:
RichRod. He played DB didn't he? I hear he's a heady player who could end up coaching some day.
big will campbell. shove the WR down at the LOS, sit on him. done.
the DL and the LB's are the unit that is going to have to step it up the most. and fill the void left by the Woolfolk injury
Ekpe Udoh with rocket legs.
I know starting the towel boy at WR was a laundry list of problems for us, but maybe his natural position is CB?
Damn. I tried to find the Waterboy clip of the Michigan towel boy getting rocked at receiver and failed. Anyone? Anyone?
Has anyone lit the "FormerWolv" bat-signal? Seems like a really good day for an update.
He is fast and physically mature enough to take on those relentless sweeps that are surely comming our way. He'll get burned plenty, but I think he can stand up to the pounding better than most of the other fresshman.
Seems most are worried about who steps up to replace T Wolf. Won't most teams line up in 4 and 5 wideouts against us? Who will we put on the field in that situation. This troubles my sleep...Please, somebody, tell me how this works!?
I think the goal with the alterations to the defense was to be able to stick with the base package against most looks. We are going to rely heavily on zone coverage, so we may not need to run out a dime package against those 4-5 wide looks.
At the end of the day, this defense is going to be striving for "good enough to win." Sticking with the best 11 guys may be the best approach.
They can do that, and then they have 5-6 pass blockers max, one of whom you assume is a back. That puts quite a burden on their QB to get rid of the ball fast and to the right spot. We'll see.
I agree that Michigan fans should be more optimistic. At the same time, this is a senior starter in an already severely weak position. There's really not much to be optimistic about when you consider that the #2 corner (now the #1) was already much maligned for his [lack of] speed and athleticism.
I am sure he can slow down Plax. Whoops. But seriously, just goes to show you that putting an elite player at the position he last played in high school is not necessarily a good thing.