A game against Miss St won't be a "rematch;" it will simply be an exercise in yet another regurgitated Rich Rod referendum. There has already been far too much of that here.
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A game against Miss St won't be a "rematch;" it will simply be an exercise in yet another regurgitated Rich Rod referendum. There has already been far too much of that here.
Why even bother posting or reading, or being interested in Michigan football if you're going to automatically declare a match-up against SC a loss? It's a football game and anything can happen. We could beat SC. It's a good thing you aren't a coach. I can't believe the pessimistic fans on this site sometimes.
Did you watch much of South Carolina this year after the Lattimore injury?
Evidence of how far Michigan has sunk in some fans' minds, without even realizing it.
Just what I need after watching Wiscy/Nebraska...RichRod debate.
You are right, but I'd still like to whip that ass. You know, just to remind them who we are.
Also, wouldn't it be fitting to use that game as a way to close the door on that subject for good ?(as if anything ever could?)
Who's had no problem personally turning Ohio State-Michigan into a referendum on the spread in the Big Ten and Michigan.
I hope you're right about the Heisman but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it went to Te'o. Too good of a player, too good of a person, too good of a story, and he's on a NCG team to top it all off.
Boo Monte Teo. Charles Woodson should remain the only heisman defensive player for all time. He's great but I really doubt he beats Manziel or Klein.
I thought he was healthy.
If the award is really about the best college football player in the country (it isn't), then as much as it pains me to say it, he should probably get it. I don't think he will though.
If we play Ms St, the B1G might actually get 1 bowl win...
I want Vandy in the Gator Bowl. Do not want to listen to Miss State's cowbells again.
Did not think of that. That was pretty freaking obnoxious!
If you look closely, those are adult-sized baby rattles
I would definitely like to see a game against Miss. State over the Cocks. I'm all for beating an MSU every chance we get.
There seems to be conflicting information on whether we are able to be selected by the Capital One Bowl. Some are saying that Capital One is tweeting that Michigan is still in play because the contract is within one win OR loss.
We aren't eligible for the Capital One Bowl. The rules are pretty clear, and on top of that, the Capital One Bowl has said so via its Twitter account (after a misleading tweet suggesting the opposite). Adam Rittenberg wrote something about this and the Capital One Bowl confirmed that what he says here is correct.
We're not going to the Capital One.
So there's still a chance we could go to the Capital One Bowl then???
mississippi state looks average this year. They got humiliated on the road at ole miss and beat troy by 6.
Give me vanderbilt, and we shall beat them by 20 but lead 13-7 at half with a chorus of boos raining down from the stands ala 2006 season opener.
Outback bowl vs LSU. I still don't really understand where exactly the Cotton bowl pick with the SEC is in the selection order.
So if we played Midwest Regional State instead of Alabama we could have been going to the Capital One bowl? That 2 loss rule is BS. Northwestern is rewarded for playing a crap out of conference schedule. This is just one more reason teams schedule non conference pushovers.
without the rule, Northwestern would be relegated to the Pizza Bowl every single year
You could make the rule apply to conference games rather than overall record. The overall record comparison absolutely sucks.
Seriously, we went 6-2 in conference, finished ahead of them in the Division standings, and we're stuck in a shitty bowl matchup because we played the 2 National Title teams and they played Syracuse (7-5) and Vandy (8-4)
Bowl selection committees will always pick Michigan over Northwestern if they have the option. We're a powerful brand name. We put asses in the seats. Northwestern doesn't. Northwestern home games are glorified high school games. Most people at the school couldn't care less about the football program.
Let's just hope that Capital One doesn't pass on Nebraska, then we will likely be chosen for the Outback Bowl.
Kork? Zat you?
Actually Northwestern had some of the Big Ten's only out of conference wins against BCS teams. They had 3 wins against Syracuse, BC, and Vandy. Obviously not powerhouses, but 2 of them are playing in bowl games.
Syracuse handed Charlie Strong's Louisville team an hellacious beating
Big East football for you.....
Northwestern is not going to get picked over us. Their overall record is only one game better, so we're eligible to go over them (though not Nebraska). Our fanbase is much larger and any bowl will choose us first. The teams that will be slotted below NW will all be 7-5 or 6-6.
We're eligible over Northwestern, but because we're not eligible over Nebraska and Northwestern is, that makes Northwestern eligible for a game that we are not eligible for.
Yes, but there is zero realistic chance they will get picked for that bowl over Nebraska, and there is zero realistic chance they will get picked for a bowl over Michigan.
Also to the OP's "How tan will I get" I already live in Florida so it's more like a "How far will I have to drive" this Christmas!
mississippi state, please. we have a defense this time around, and i want to jake mf ryan to bring a world of hurt on them. payback is a bitch.
I have a feeling we'll be playing the Cockz which is scary because holy shit our o-line holy shit
would happily play Mississippi State again since it's not like there's really any more "prestige" to the effing Outback Steakhouse Bowl and we can actually beat the Bulldogs.
No South Carolina please! Would much rather see Miss State or Vandy.
We are going to get the Outback Bowl against one of South Carolina/Texas A&M/LSU/Georgia.
I hope we can send the seniors out with a big win against a high-quality SEC team, but things don't look good.
can get his head out of the ground.
This is what I've got so far:
Big 10 record: 4-3 (Win: Wisconsin, Northwestern, Michigan State, Minnesota. Loss: Nebraska, Michigan, and Purdue).
Without any sanctions, we could have been looking at something like this:
Puff, puff, pass
of Michigan State, and from what I've seen of TCU, I would fully expect TCU to beat Staee by at least 10 points...
No way in hell that Wisconsin vs. Stanford is a push. Wisconsin will be lucky to keep it competitive. Won't be able to rush for 600 yards against Stanford. I wish Wisconsin luck, but they won't be winning the Rose Bowl.
I don't know - I would have said the same thing 5 weeks ago, but this Wisconsin team really really got destroyed by injury and by QB ineptidude and by coaching ineptitude. Stanford is a little overrated, and in my opinion; they don't have the kryptonite to this Wisconsin team. They don't have any gamechangers on defense and they don't have as much speed as, for example Taylor Martinez, or Mariota, or De Anthony Thomas.
I really believe that they're going to bring their A+ game for this 3rd rose bowl of theirs. They can't afford to let another one slip away. I think they win in a great game.
Going from your bowl line-up:
Northwestern (L) (but this one to me is a toss-up. I lean towards NW losing just because they always seem to lose bowl games close).
Michigan State (W)
This is the other side of the toss-up coin. Although I think Minnesota will definitely win also. TCU is not good at all... they benefit from playing in a weak Big 12 schedule.. their record should be something like 3-9 on the season.
What about Minnesota convinces you they will beat Iowa State?
They got blown out in 4 out of their six losses.
Iowa State only got blown out twice.
Minnesota doesn't have a convincing win over an FBS opponent this year.
But I don't see MSU beating TCu, it would be close but I think sparky loses.
wait... I didn't see Ohio anywhere in that bowl lineup of yours... Guess I must have missed it.
But I think Michigan beats S. Carolina...
I like Borges with a month to prepare in a NON-RIVALRY game. It's also Denard's last game so I think he'll play 3-4 different positions.
I see it being a game that happily pisses off ALL Michigan fans like the Cap. One Bowl vs. Florida in Lloyd Carr's last game when we're all yelling "WHERE WAS THIS ALL SEASON!!!!???? AHHH!!!!"
Or... it could end up like VT last year - Denard run left; Denard run middle; 3rd and 10 - arm punt. More like the narrative for every Denard game against good defenses.
A fully healthy O-line might help to quell the force that is S. Carolina's pass rush, but I really think our best shot to win lies on our defense stopping Connor Shaw
LOL - I see what you did there.
I remember this around 2007...
After living in Shreveport for 13 yrs I have to say I never thought it would be referenced here (cool story bro).
When is the bowl selection going to happen?
It'll leak before then though.
Wait, what about Florida and Georgia? I know one will go to a BCS bowl, but where is the other headed?
Florida to Sugar. Georgia to Cotton. Capital One gets first choice amongst SEC teams and they'll take Texas A&M (because of Johnny). Would have been cool to see Texas (likely in Cotton) vs. Texas A&M in a bowl game.
I keep seeing Florida to the Sugar Bowl and Georgia to the Chick-fil-A Bowl (vs. Clemson). It seems a little weird to me that Georgia would slide that far, especially after a good showing today, but we'll see.
Was #4 in BCS rankings heading into the weekend. If a team is ranked #3 in the BCS rankings and does not qualify for an automatic berth, there are guaranteed an at-large berth. Georgia might not fall that far but Florida will almost certainly move into the #3 slot.
How in the f could Hoke not let Denard play in the 4th qtr of the osu game. There should have been much more controversy over this. A sr qb's final game really?
If we play Mississippi State in the Gator Bowl, we need to bombard the Gator Bowl staff with emails about the cowbells. Noisemakers are listed in the "Prohibited Items" section of their website.
Yea, that was absolutely not enforced at all last time. Still have flashbacks of those damn things.
noise maker tradition.
yep, I have a nervous tick whenever that I think fo that damn game. Sitting row 1 from for that debacle gave me Vietnam era PTSD
why we lost.
Georgia in Capital One Bowl!!!
Already discussed above. We can't go there by rule
you guys know that the OL isn't going to improve over 15 practices don't you.
Not looking forward to playing anyone in any bowl game.
But it seems as though you are. Yeah, who wants to see Michigan football anymore? Especially, oh what's his name Denard or something? play his last game EVER for the good guys? Along with the rest of the seniors... Yes please.
this is rediculous. Northwestern will more than likley be picked by outback bowl officials over michigan. Earlier in the day we were almost assured a capital one bowl game, now we get to go to the ghetto pitt in jax!!
let's be real here guys, Florida is hell on earth in general. Orlando, Jacksonville and Tampa are basically just different degrees of stankness
And one could mount an argument that, regardless of what their tie ins are, the Gator is a better bowl than the Outback. For one, the Gator's been around for a lot longer. And it doesn't have a shitastic corporate name.
erm, it is the Taxslayer.com Gator Bowl I'll have you know...
if it were the Outback Steakhouse Hall of Fame Bowl it wouldn't be nearly as awful, though it would still be worse.
yeah, and that's why 99.99999% of seniors retire there.
I assume you're being facetious but yes, it's a state full of old people and hillbillies that's built over a swamp.
Denard is the only good thing to ever come out of Florida, that's just a fact jack
"it's a state full of old people and hillbillies that's built over a swamp."
Ah yes, the old "all of Florida is southeast Florida" misconception.
I think the hillbillies is a reference to Northern Florida. Not so much a misconception but reality.
For shame. You have forgotten the greatest receiver in Michigan history.
Yes, and I'm sure Floridians couldn't easily retort with the fact that the University of Michigan is in.... well, Michigan. Home of Detroit, Flint, Dearborn, and Lansing. I mean, anyone in their right mind would rather live in any of those cities over Tampa, right? But hell, you can always come back with the usual, "But Northern Michigan is really nice for 3 months in the summer!"
To everyone from Florida, Michigan IS Detroit. They are one and the same. That's why the Florida bashing is kind of funny to me. Neither side is a accurate, but both sides do it.
What the hell is wrong with Dearborn?
"let's be real here guys, Florida is hell on earth in general. Orlando, Jacksonville and Tampa are basically just different degrees of stankness"
Says someone who I can almost guarantee has only ever been to those listed cities plus Miami/Ft. Lauderdale/Palm Beach. I thought the same thing, too, though, until I moved to Florida, so I'll cut you some slack.
What's the good part? It seems like Tampa, Miami, Ft Lauderdale, Jacksonville, Orlando, Palm Beach covers a pretty wide swath of the state's geography, at least the more populated parts.
The populated part, yes. Geography, no. It's kind of interesting to move here and realize that all of the vacation places (all of the places you listed) suck and there are great places that the vacationers just don't go to and know nothing at all about. To answer your question is tough. It just depends on what you're looking for, I guess. There are great remote and rural parts of this state that are absolutely beautiful that vacationers never go to, which, frankly, is great for the people who live here. There are also some neat non-vacationer cities. One perfect example, though, is St. Petersburg (categorically not the same place as Tampa, even though virtually everyone not from the area thinks it is). So many people go to the Tampa Bay Area, either flying into Tampa or going to Clearwater (or St.Pete Beach), and never know that St. Petersburg, itself, has great nightlife and one of the best waterfronts anywhere. Instead, they see Tampa (which sucks) or the beach areas (which can be tourist hell, although beautiful) and conclude that the whole area is the same, when it's not. My personal opinion is that everyone who says that Florida is hell, basing the on the tourist areas, is absolutely correct. I absolutely thought the same thing until I moved to the state the first time.
I can't stand. Check out the Panhandle and West Coast--seriously--beautiful and still largely unexploited. I'd never move back to Michigan, can tell you that. (My wife is a prof at FSU.)
Northwestern will more than likley be picked by outback bowl officials over michigan.
No way. The bowls are a business. NW has no fans and no one really wants them in their bowl. They'll go to the lowest possible bowl they are slotted for.
where we play or who we play, I just love watching my team play, Go Blue!!!
say you're scared of playing an SEC team? We had a tough sched this year and only got whooped in one game, the others were very winnable had we kept mistakes and crucial injuries to a minimum
First, the team that whipped us was an sec team. That game wasn't close.
Second, we didn't keep mistakes to a minimum all year. Why do you think we will do so now?
I am not so much afraid of an sec team, but I suspect that we will lose to most teams with superior talent (duh) and most sec teams curretly have more talent.
cause all sec teams = bama
my parents' main house is in palm beach so this works well for me. cha ching!
Still a long drive to either option, but yeah, that probably beats going to Texas or somewhere.
A team from the north playing a team from the south in their backyard, no thanks. The structure is old. I'd be more interested in playing in boise against a different conference than being a part of another big ten embarrassment with all eyes on the s.e.c vs big ten scoreboard, especially this year.
"HOKE BEATS COCKS IN OUTBACK"
if we came from behind in that game
This is the type of matchup that we must pull out.
Ha. I see what you did there.
Can the Michigan student section pull out the ANAL cheer like at Yost?
Give me an A
Give me a N
Give me an A
Give me a L
What's that spell? ANAL!
What's that mean? Come from behind!
I seem to be hearing a lot of talk that Northwestern has the potential to be picked for the Capital One bowl or the Outback bowl, ahead of Nebraska or Michigan, respectively. Can someone please explain what the logic is behind this? Northwestern had a decent year, but when you compare their fanbase to Michigan's or Nebraskas... well it's not even close. In terms of TV as well as fans travelling to the game, Northwestern is a clear loser. Why on Earth would either of those bowls want them?
Only reason they would have is Nebraska was in the Capital One last year and just got blown out in a neutral site championship game. They might be thinking Nebraska fans just travelled to Indy and will not want to pay more money to see the same place as last year. I would still take a depressed and unenthused Nebraska fanbase over a Northwestern "fanbase" everytime.
It's really more people just saying it's possible, nobody expects them to be picked over us or the Cornholers, though some of us might prefer it if they did.
I live in Orlando and had free tickets for the Cap One bowl IF Michigan was going to be selected. Friend works for Ticketmaster. Now it looks like the Huskers will be rewarded a better bowl, just after they got taken to the woodshed.
Now you will have to drive two whole hours to get to the game...
And pay. I think that was more his point.
It looks like Jerry Palm has updated these predictions, and his guess is that we go to the Gator Bowl to face Vanderbilt actually, a (right now) hypothetical game in which we would actually be favored by about an FG per Sagarin's model. Of course, even this could be incorrect (he's never been 100% on all bowls), but we'll find out soon enough.
Two schools with schools! Looks like we first played them in 1922 and are 10-0-and 1 against them.
While Jerry Palm predicts that Michigan and Vanderbilt will meet in what some of us old timers would call the G-E College Bowl, he also predicts that The Backyard Brawl will be played at Yankee Stadium this year. Now, THAT would be interesting.
. . . And bring back G-E College Bowl! Fight on, USC! Beat Barnard!
So it looks like Outback vs South Carolina. This is the same South Carolina team that gave up 35 to the Vols. They can be scored on.
As long as Lewan can contain Jadaveon Clowney, we've got a shot. It really just depends on which version of South Carolina shows up: the one that annihilated Georgia or the one that barely beat a crappy Tennessee team.
I'd like the south carolina team that shot themselves in the foot, knee, crotch, chest, and face against Florida. Seriously, in that game Florida had something like 3 TD drives that were under 20 yards.
Cap One can choose us if Huskers waive 2-win/loss rule. Huskers might not want to go to same bowl 2 yrs in a row. we have no idea. so speculation is pointless.
Has that ever happened before? Can't see that happening as if they do that they will end up in the Outback bowl against S. Carolina who they played in their bowl game last year. The Outback almost has to take South Carolina. The drop from S.Carolina to Vandy is substantial. South Carolina can't go to the Chic-fil-a bowl as Clemson is locked into that.
I really want to play against LSU or A&M. There seems to be a lot of comments hoping we play an easier team, but why not keep measuring UM football against the best? With the way next year's schedule breaks down, we may not play another ranked team until October or November of next season. Beating or playing close a highly-ranked SEC team will go a lot further than playing Vandy or MSU while losing to Vandy or MSU will be much worse than losing to LSU or A&M.
a lot of what?
Click on "this and you'll see.
Bring a screwdriver when you do though. You'll want to gouge your eyes out and then puncture your eardrums afterwards.
I can't look away!!!!.....AHHHHHHHH!!!!!....
yeah, ND coming off a MNC appearance won't be ranked at all.
Here's a preview: 2013 pre season rankings
if ND loss:
if ND win (pukes into shoes)
-3-4i ) ND
yes, ND will be so highly thought of their preseason ranking will be 1) negative and 2) partly imaginary
No Teo, Eifert, Riddick, 4/5 of their OL, Nix and Wood will most likely enter the draft. ND is getting gutted by graduation/ early entry.
Yeah but they're still going to ranked very high, and since they only play Temple before us, they're going to be when we play them, and probably really high because everyone has a hard-on for ND's Return to Glory (trademarked)
One of the biggest reasons I thought ND was not going to be great next year is losing much of that o-line. However, looking at their depth chart, most of the guys that step in are juniors, versus underclassman, and most are still pretty good sized. All are over 6'4" and all are close to 300lbs. And they have another year to put on weight. Although not all of them are highly rated recruits, not that that always means a lot. But, I guess I'm not sure what to expect of this group. One the one hand they are all new starters, one the other they are all upperclassman next year and pretty good sized, although not all and high pedigree guys either. But, I do think the production of this group, much like our team next year, will define how good they will be as a team. For us, it's good we play them early as they won't have as much time to develop and will likely be better at the end of the year. Although the same can probably be said of us.
better we get a chance to beat Mississippi State or S. Carolina, where our odds are better. We can kill Mississippi State in the name of Willis Ward.
I'd like for us to play Mississippi St. (sans the cowbells).
They have to answer for Santino.
Who is Santino? Not a Godfather fan huh?
It was actually Ga. Tech who refused to play against Willis Ward.
Please please, I would rather play South Carolina in the outback. My wife's side of the family are all Gamecock fans. Could make for some fun (or not fun conversations...).
Vandy = yuck
Use your words, son. Tell us WHY Vandy = yuck.
While I think we have a better chance against SC without Lattimore, they are still a tough matchup for us. Since we don't have a strong running game and they have a tremendous pass rush it may be difficult for us to move the ball against them. I think we have a much better shot against MSU, but a win over SC would look much better. I think I'd rather play SC assuming we have a respectable showing.
I hate threads that are unofficial with the word official in their title.
that preidict Michigan would lose to South Carolina are pathetic and must not have been watching SC post Lattimore injury.
must not have been watching SC post Lattimore injury."
Lattimore is injured in the TN game, which SC won. SC then beats Arkansas, Wofford, and finishes by beating #11 Clemson on the road 27-17.
Tell me again which top 25 team we beat on the road?
You must not have watched SC's defensive line nor our offensive line all season.
That kind of stuff doesn't matter to the portion of the UM fanbase that believes being pessimistic about our chances in any particular game is nothing less than religious apostasy. Faith is everything, evidence be damned. Michigan is 12-0 every year.
OK - so you're saying South Carolina is so scary because they beat Tennessee, Arkansas and Clemson? Who has Clemson beat? They played two tough games all year and lose them both. And South Carolina won 27-17, big deal. They also beat Tennesse by 3 points, and Tennessee missed a bowl.
Even with Lattimore, South Carolina barely beat Vandy, lost to LSU and got smoked by Florida. After the injury, South Carolina eeked out a victory against a bad team, and then beat two teams Michigan would totally beat. South Carolina looks like a Nebraska-level team to me. I don't think fans need to have the "Michigan will go 12-0 every year" outlook, but it's really annoying when fans talk about us getting killed against non-dominant teams.
"That kind of stuff doesn't matter to the portion of the UM fanbase that believes being optimistic about our chances in any particular game is nothing less than religious apostasy. Faith is everything, evidence be damned. Michigan is 0-12 every year."
Now it could be one of your regular posts with no /s.