...I suddenly had a craving to watch some vintage Re-Runs:
...I suddenly had a craving to watch some vintage Re-Runs:
If this football thing doesn't work out Kelly has a job waiting for him at the chocolate factory...
Thanks for posting this. I did not get to see any of the ND game since I had to take my wife to the docs around halftime of our game.
Very nice break down of thier weaknesses
Thanks for the info.
Personally, I'm surprised Notre Dame's coaching staff let Jonas Gray get that big.
Good job. Diary worthy.
ND did move the ball though. They had a ton of yards, but were killed by turnovers. USF was opportunistic and took advantage. I don't think I would say that USF would consistently beat ND if they played again.
I hope Woolfolk is healthy bacause Floyd is a terror. We did not stop Carder-White with our secondary, we did it with blitz pressure. That makes me nervous. If a team can pick up those blitzes, we're very exposed.
That being said, that has to be our game plan. Our secondary is what it is . . . it needs help. Rees is a rythm guy, he gets erratic when disrupted. We have to pressure him early and switch assignments to cover the inevitable screens and draws. At this, GMAT appears to be light years ahead of GERG.
we should be able to get pressure on the blitzes. Their line really did not look that great. But if we don't get any pressure, then.....well I don't want to think about it. We need some more pressure generated from our D-line too. If they're able to step it up this week, I'll feel a lot better.
My inner outline-nazi is absolutely throwing a fit that your sub points aren't properly indented!
where I can assure you, everything was properly indented haha. I didn't realize it got all messed up when I copied and pasted.
everything is properly indented. I don't know what's up with it but it doesn't translate over to the final page.
pretty good assessment. it can't be overstated how bad the turnovers hurt them - they were really moving the ball in the beginning, and to have 2 red zone turnovers, one returned for a touchdown, killed them. and riddick was an unmitigated disaster, whitley style.
but i dont think we can count on them making the same mistakes. if they clean up the mental errors we'll have a tough time defending them. here's to hoping that the emotion of the game, combined with the douchebaggery of kelly, causes them to be unfocused on saturday
If Kelly was any more of a douch he'd be being squirted into a dirty vagina.
I'd like to think that he won't be squirting into any vaginas, even if he is a douche.
Have desperation next week and likely won't make 5 turnovers
USF played an extremely conservative game plan on offense for much of the game (probably on defense too). I remember very few (if any) downfield throws or anything over the middle. Lots of outs and simple running plays.
ND gave them the early lead with the fumble return, then they drove down the field on their first three drives. All ended in field goals (at least twice Holtz passed up going for it on 4th and short). Then they really sat on the ball until ND started to mount a comeback. ND scored to make it 16-7 midway through the third and then drove it into the red zone again before Rees threw a pick. On the ensuing drive USF went 80+ yards for a game clinching TD.
I think the yardage difference really reflects the fact that USF only had to make a few plays to win the game and knew it.
I actually think Holtz coached an almost flawless game from that standpoint. His goal was to win and he gave his team the best chance to accomplish that.
I watched the replay on NBC
On those 3 FG drives, USF only got about 30 yards each. One was a 50 yard FG and the oter two were set up in ND territory by short punts.
USF did a great job playing conservatively and holding on to the ball - 0 turnovers. That was their offense all day.
I thought the game was over after ND scored their first TD and then drove the length of the field again before throwing an interception. I thought about switching the channel because I didn't want to see a comeback win by 2 points and then have to listen to ND players and fans say, "The game was never in doubt. We knew we would win."
But that 80 yard TD drive by USF that followed made me decide to watch until the very end.
Unfortunately, I don't expect ND to turn the ball over 5 times next week so our guys better be ready for a dog fight.
Not thread worthy but when can we expect the UFR to be out?
on Wednesday/Thursday. One day for offense, one for defense.
and I think your assessments are great. In re: to Floyd, I think that guy is going to go absolutely crazy next week against us. To the degree that I will feel like we "shut him down" if he goes for less than 150 yards and 2 TDs. Seriously, that guy is the biggest mismatch nightmare we will face this season and probably next season as well. I'm not much for hyperbolic comments, but that dude is probably the biggest bad ass hombre* in college football this year.
Thankfully for us, Brian Kelly is constantly working on head assplosion a la "Scanners" so maybe he forgets to throw that kid the ball.
* Not named Denard Robinson
Won't be around next year, you can be fairly well assured of that. I don't see any way he comes back for his senior year.
That is very observant of you, since he is a senior now.
I think the UTL game will come down to the same things that almost all games do.
If we win the TO battle, don't give up big plays, avoid penalties, etc we win the game. If we can't do those things ND takes it.
USF almost blew the game yesterday by jumping offsides on a FG attempt and giving ND a new life in the redzone. I think Rees followed with a pick, but still.
Fortuantely for us, ND has already shown to be undisciplined and mistake prone. If we are lucky they will play tight, leading to more mistakes.
However, its also possible that they come out focused and determined and play extremely well.
I can tell you one thing. It is going to be LOUD and CRAZY in the Big House next Saturday. And that obviously favors us in every conceivable way.
I was too busy getting rained on yesterday to see a single play of USF vs. WhatsTheirName. So this is a welcome report.
Sounds like Michigan could win next week, 67-65 in 3OT. As a Michigan Man, I'd be so proud of Hoke and his staff, to come away with a win like that.
I'm becoming more and more convinced that you are a state fan.
I hope we win one, 67-65, in 3OT. Again. I hope it happens this year. I thought that was a glorious day last year. One of the prettiest days of the fall, by the time the game was over. (Started out a little cloudy.) I had fun. These guys had some fun too:
It's such a win-win-win, if that were to happen again. A Michigan win; a thrilling 3OT; and oh that other thing too.
I'm not saying it will happen. I'm just saying that I'd seriously, honestly love to see it happen. People like you would have to figure out how to be happy, or not happy, with another Michigan win. You'd be free to choose whatever you want. You could root for Sparty that week if you wanted.
Giving up 65 to Illinois is not Michigan football, nor should it be. I was ecstatic with the win, if only because it was a *rare* B10 win in the Rich Rod era. I was not ecstatic with wide open wheel routes at three separate points in the game, no one within 10 yards of receivers. So to each his own I guess, but I would rather be competent on all sides of the ball than ever have another debacle like that.
"MIchigan football" is in the eye of the beholder. If you are yearning for the days of Bo when rosters had 115 schollies and only a few teams got on TV, so Michigan could say "here we are, try and stop us" to everyone except OSU and USC, and run a bunch of plays up the middle, wake up. It ain't gonna happen.
What's really funny is that if Borges does what most people think he will do, it won't resemble what the drones see as "Michigan football" at all. Since Bo took over, MIchigan has mostly been run-based; the WCO is pass-based. It will just look more like the "Michigan football" stereotype to the masses because it isn't the spread.
If you think the WMU game provided ND game tape with more than about forty percent of what they plan to do, you are sadly mistaken. I hope Kelly is expecting to see "Michigan football," too.
Whatever people think Michigan football is, terrible D probably isn't on most of their lists. That was my point. I never said anything about the offense, so I'm not sure why you assume I want them to run the football between the tackles on every play.
Section 1 wants every game to be a 100 point shootout, and that's fine for him, but I would rather see inferior teams such as Illinois and Toledo get blown out of the water by our suffocating D and prolific O.
EDIT: By the way, I was only alive for Bo's last season as head coach, so I'm certainly not "yearning" for those days. I'm just yearning for the days when people respected us. Beating Illinois 67-65 will not earn us much respect.
Section 1 wants every game to be a 100 point shootout...
I never said that. What I said was that I wanted it to happen, once, again. A 67-65 score was a singular once-off event in the last three years; it didn't happen "every game."
I just want it to happen to shut up people like you. Just once, so that it can be hung around all of the Manball-footbauw necks for all time.
Whatever. I just want to the team to do well, and giving up 65 points doesn't exactly line up with that. I don't think I said anything MANBALL-ish, except I'm not even sure what that connotation is supposed to mean. You are obviously not taking away what I intended from my comments, which is probably my fault.
"People like me" want to win, and want to do so in a fashion that exhibits good fundamentals on all sides of the ball. I'm concerned about the team, not about proving a point to a perceived other faction of fans. Seriously, winning 67-65 over a mediocre opponent was not a proud day for UM football, and I can't fathom why you would think so, much less want it to happen again.
We didn't really struggle with Western Michigan, and thus we didn't have to show off too much of our playbook. That gives ND a lot less On the other hand, ND struggled big time and they showed a lot of their playbook off. That has to be great for our coaches to have, in terms of game planning and what not.
I think you almost enjoy provoking MGoRiots.
Till like 3 hours after Michigan's game was called, you must be a really slow driver.
and by the time I got to the restaurant, they had Oregon-LSU on. I'd have preferred that game in an instant anyway. I have a healthy mixture of hatred of, and disinterest in, Our Lady of Northern Indiana. They can do whatever. Wake me up if another service academy is beating the snot out of them. U-S-A! I suppose we have to care this week. Whatever.
All you really need to take away from the ND-USF game is this:
ND: 508 yds,
USF: 254 yds.
ND: 5 turnovers: 3 in the red zone, one on their own 20, one returned 97 yards for a TD
USF: 0 turnovers
Obviously the turnovers made the difference. This ND team is capable of doing a lot of damage on both O and D.
Well that would be a highly superficial takeaway.
In that case. ND vs. Miami in the bowl game last year.
All you need to know.
ND: 397 yards
Miami: 422 yards
Miami's offense 4 turnovers
ND's offense: 0 turnovers.
Who cares about the score.
Also Oregon beat LSU yesterday 335 - 273.
Nope, actually those totals / TO numbers tell you a lot about those games too.
Miami- ND: Miami was down 30-0 at one point, so a lot of those yards were garbage time. ND yesterday was never down by more than 2 scores, so some of those yards were against a prevent defense, but they weren't against 3rd stringers in garbage time.
Also, 397-422 is a lot different than 254-508
LSU Oregon: LSU has a pretty weak offense. They won that game because of turnovers and their D holding Oregon to a relatively low yardage total. That's exactly what those numbers tell you.
"Also, 397-422 is a lot different than 254-508 "
Right. But the final scores were a lot different also. The general consensus is that ND dominated Miami; nobody discredits the turnovers. Plus, who cares ND was down by only 16 instead of 17. USF still played conservative on defense, and it worked. They nursed their lead, made ND earn everything they got and buckled down in the red zone. If the game was closer, I'm sure USF would have played with a lot more urgency. The yardage discrepancy is mostly a result of the flow of the game and USF's urgency.
The team playing from behind will generally put up more yards. If you watched the Baylor/TCU game, Baylor took a big lead and then tried to nurse it. TCU quickly came back and took the lead, then voila, Baylor's offense suddenly was able to drive down and score the winning FG.
on both O and D too. What a team is capable of and what they actually do are often times two different things.
their defensive line really penetrated and pushed ND back. It will be interesting to see how Michigan does. USF has some talent.
Thanks for this summary.
I agree with your assessment of the game, and they may very well go 8-4, but if we go 10-2 it will be the biggest miracle in college football history. That receiver from Western ate us up (White). And he's no Floyd. Our D is awful, with the exception of making some in-game adjustments. But we can't cover anyone. It's going to be a long season, again, until our secondary decides to cover receivers.
It would be interesting to see the improvements that ND makes for the game next weekend. Usually teams make the biggest jumps in effectiveness from week one to week two. I am expecting Michigan to make some positive adjustments to the defense with alignment and responsibilities in the secondary.
I don't think ND will look as bad next week. What are things they can improve on and what are things that no matter what, it is just a lack of skill, talent, etc.?
I disagree that Rees didn't look better than Crist. The first interception he threw was not his fault, his receiver wasn't looking for the ball and it hit him right in the helmet. There were times that I didn't think he could miss his receivers, partly because he would throw it up for grabs to Floyd who would bail him out, but mostly because he was worlds better than Crist.
I don't think Rees was a great amount better than Crist. Rees' 2nd interception was definitely on Rees. And, like you said, a lot of his completions just came from throwing it somewhere in the vicinity of Floyd and having Floyd bail him out.
who the f is negging this?
I agree with much of that. I would disagree about Rees though. He actually looked really good. He made a lot of perfect passes into good coverage. He only really made one really bad throw. the first interception he threw was off the helmet of his receiver who wasn't paying attention. The other interception he threw was into double coverage, and there really wasn't anywhere for him to fit the ball in, just a bad decision.
The turnovers are slightly overrated in this game. I heard Kirk Herbstreit say that the fumble return was a 14 point swing. He fails to realize that it was a 3rd down and goal, so even if there was no fumble, they probably would have settled for a field goal attempt. You can't say that it was a 14 point swing. 10 tops. Same thing with the interception in the endzone. That was a 3rd down play. Even if it were an incomplete pass, Notre Dame would have settled for a FG attempt. Obviously turnovers were a big deal in the game, but it isn't as bad as some people are making it out to be.
Also, the reason USF picked off a couple of those passes (not the one off the helmet) was because ND was making risky throws all game. They were high risk/high reward plays. When you are consistently squeezing the ball passed defenders and dropping perfect passes in between a linebacker and a safety, it isn't always going to go your way. If you take the incredible plays, you also have to take the interceptions as a natural consequence rather than a fluke (or cheap) play.
Yardage is also overrated. It was clear that USF was playing a very conservative game offensively, and their strategy on defense was to not give up the big play. Holtz even said as much: "we took the mindset, bend but don't break, bend but don't break, let's not give up the home run ball. I think Michael Floyd is a great player on film. I think he's a lot better than he is on film. I think he is one of the special players in college football. I think he's a difference maker. He is special. And because of him when we just turned and said let's try and make sure we keep him in front of them. Even trying to do that he still caught one later. But the whole mindset was bend, don't break. Our motto was make them snap it again, don't just let them in the end zone, make them snap it again. I don't care if it's a 20 play drive. They haven't scored yet if they don't cross that end zone. Don't let them in the end zone, make them drive the field, don't give them anything cheap. "
You can't measure the players performance purely on yards. Yards aren't all that important. Especially when you're playing with a lead and your trying to bleed the clock. Obviously ND played a great game - particularly Floyd and Rees. But the game wasn't as lopsided as the stats would indicate.
Good teams seem to get better every week. I expect Michigan and Notre Dame to play better next week. It will be interesting to view the game results against this report.
As a side note... When I see a coach blowing up on the sideline, I get the feeling he did not have his team prepared.
Michigan is going to build on their success, while ND is going to regroup to figure out where they stand. I like our chances.
Week 2 games are supposed to tell you more about your team than week 1 games, past few years have been pretty accurate.
Maybe I'm taking too much of a glass-half-empty approach, but I don't think ND's loss is good news for us. If they lost to USF because they suck, then we don't gain much from beating yet another overrated, overhyped ND team (and we would lose much more if such a team beat us). If they lost to USF because they just came out flat, then they'll be extra motivated against us.
I don't know what it is, but ND's chronic mediocrity just frustrates me.
I hate ND. Growing up in South Bend with ND fans always talking smack, bragging about nothing, complaining, whining, etc. tends to fester a strong hatred for ND.
And it also lowers the appeal of the game to a national audience.
And let's be honest with ourselves: we didn't shut down Floyd last year. I think it became apparent from the rest of the season's results that our secondary couldn't shut down anybody. Crist's injury and the poor play of ND's backups kept Floyd from being a factor.
Granted it was all on only 3 receptions.
I feel really bad for Jonas Gray. I have always been rooting him on through college because he's from michigan and it would cool to see a guy from michigan make an impact to nd football. That aside I still dislike ND.
And for the whole Brian Kelly situation, there are ways you can and cannot compare it to Bo. I asked my dad, who played for Bo, if Bo ever got up in his face and called him an asshole and stuff. He told me he did all the time, but it was for motivation. Bo was someone you didn't want to let down, like a fatherly figure to my dad and all the other players he coached. The thing is Brian Kelly might not be looked at as a 'fatherly figure' by his players, so in turn his tyrant could be looked at as mocking and being a jackass. And you have to remember, if it wasnt caught on camera people wouldnt have known/cared about the incident. All im looking forward (and hoping) for is Notre Dame to get a good old fashioned ass kicking.
True. When Bo was coaching, there probably weren't as many cameras available to capture every moment of his sideline behavior.
the reason ND didn't cancel their game was because they were losing, and with all the ND hype it was amusing to watch them lose.
I have faith in Mattison to make all the ingame adjustments that can be made. He can only do so much, but it sure does help to have an NFL defensive mind in there to know when to blitz and when to stay back.
I have a colleague in Switzerland who is die hard ND fan, who basically said the same thing. He is almost greatful that he won't need to find a way to watch their games overseas. Although, we'll see if they ND somehow wins the game, his story will change.
As for Brian Kelly. I don't think his tirade makes him a bad coach. It is amusing to watch, but I think being overblown. I also don't think it means he didn't prepare his team properly. Sometimes no matter how hard you work, you can have a day like that.
And, I agree with an earlier poster, I would rather that ND wins that game if only because we now gain less from beating ND and certainly lose more if we lose the game.
I assume we will be favored by the oddsmakers.
How exactly does that work? Would be fun to see