Thats pretty cool. I have some friends and teammates from lima
chance of bowl: 13.6%
Thats pretty cool. I have some friends and teammates from lima
I think my favorite part was that the TV folks were saying they got things going at the end of the first half to score that TD, when in reality they were gifted 40 yards by pass interference and holding penalties. If that's their best drive of the night, I'm not worried about their offense in the least.
the announcers telling us that Sparty has "one of the better defenses in the country" scant seconds before Western scored the last TD.
I think the one that made me laugh/spit coffee the most was on a kick-off. The announcers were talking about what a great job MSU did on coverage and "keeping their arms inside", while I was watching a minimum of two Western blockers get spun around by the jersey.
I believe it was a punt return along the near sideline. The broadcaster complimented one of the Spartans for drive blocking his man 15 yards. My wife said, "yeah, because he was holding him." Then came the comment about getting hands inside.
They are scared by mannequins, don't have as many fans as Michigan, and their wide receivers need to work with a jugs machine.
for a Friday night game, school in session, against a school that is about 2 hours away.
Yeah. That was legitimately embarrassing. After the delay they were playing in an empty stadium for the rest of the game.
This did shock me. I know it's Western, but how they couldn't fill a mid-size stadium on the first weeknight of the year boggles me mind.
They know what's coming.
That was our game against Wisconsin in 08 all over again. Is Maxwell Sheridan and Cook Threet, or is it the other way around? The difference is...Wisconsin was rated, and Western won 2 games in the MAC last year...
Only Mark Danotio's smile can save this offence. And, yes, I did spell the word I intended to use, correctly.
You from Romeo, MI by chance?
I'm curious what the results would have been against a more competent MAC offense. If this game had been against Northern Illinois or Toledo, I think things may have gotten very interesting.
Thoughts as follows - Western had a bad QB to start who threw a near pick (and some real ones) on nearly every play. He got hurt. Then the guy that replaced him (A RS freshman) looked like the most poised QB on the field for a while. He had a drive or two but mostly threw near picks. WMU had little running game talent. The best WR on the field was the WMU freshman 2 star - seriously. The 2nd score was against MSU's backups - any competent team would have won that game, but an average MAC team with a backup QB could not do anything on offense really.
MSU's back 7 was considered one of the best in the country and they played well...except Dennard. He was beaten 3x deep, including twice by said WR freshman. WMU would have had a TD on a sideline route on one of those but Dennard got away with pulling on the arm of the WR that had blazed by him down the sideline. Somewhere in the bowels of E. Lansing discussions of safety help for Dennard Island must be happening. But still their best two units (back 7) did good - heady play on one INT, and the second INT was fantastic, that kid should be playing WR for MSU. But it was WMU as an opponent. Front 4 did not generate much pressure alone until WMU began wearing down. Yes they got upfield but this was a MAC level offensive line and LBs were being sent it on blitzes to generate pash rush.
On offense - Maxwell is ok, he is a poor man's Hoyer. He can throw, but he doesnt change games or inspire anyone. He was killed by the WR corps again, even Burbridge was dropping stuff as MSU seems to be like the Lions - once you get there, most players go backwards. Cook sucked, he is a poor man's Stanton. Langford showed something at RB but who knows what he is when they play real competition. Bullough is a fullback disguised as a RB. MSU's wildcat with Langford was the only real time they drove without the help of 15 yard pass interference calls. Biggest issue of the night for Sparty is aside from WRs who like to drop balls is an OL that didnt get any push against a MAC level defense. Even late in the game when Big 10 teams wear down their opponents by their 50+ lbs per player at each position it was not happening. With all the talk of a senior/junior laden OL, now finally healthy, that is the major issue. ND DL is going to eat them alive.
All in all MSU still has a pathetic schedule and bring in 2 more cupcakes; USF was 3-9 last year and like WMU brings in a bad QB next week but they actually have some defense so I imagine if they stifle MSU's offense the catcalls in that stadium will be immense. ND is going to demolish MSU - the back 7 can only do so much. But a lot of other games on their schedule such as @Iowa or Indiana at home got a lot more interesting.
Summary: Ask Dennis Green as evveryone on the board last night had running through their minds.
1. Most importanlty: The offensive line is terrible. I thought there was probobably some middle ground between BC's observation how Leveon Bell's yards were mostly on Bell and Phil Steele saying MSU had the 2nd best line in the B1G. They look worse than last year.
2. The RB Langford is their best. He's not threat but has a bit of wiggle. Bullough was as much hype as you suspected. He's slower than Rawls
3. Maxwell doesn't do dumb stuff and can cmplete crossing routes across the middle (their best/only?) play. But he doesn't generate anything. Cook can do a little with his legs. That is all.
4. The WRs. Oh boy. They've regressed from last year. The 3rd stringers are going to get more run, leading one to ask what they're doing in practice.
5. Hoover got some stuff done on the DL. Their interior DL won't be the hole I was hoping. Did anyone see Phil Steele's 4th team nose tackel Lawrence Marshall?
6. Everyone else is as good as advertiesed on D. You'll have to take some shots against Dennard when they isolate him. Some of those shots were there; some weren't.
I would normally agree who cares about State when we're not playing them on game day....but I watched their game and was completely surprised at what I saw.
Their defense is still very good but seemed to be lacking as much of a pass rush as I remember from last year.
The offense was ugly. You expect a team like Michigan State to be able to pound the ball against a team like Western and eventually wear them down to get yards but that never happened in this game. Even when it looked like Western might be about to break when State rushed a few times and moved the ball on WMU's 3 yard line after an interception they still couldn't punch it in.
The passing game continued to have that "How the hell is this not working?" feel to it. When the receivers did a good job of getting open the QBs would throw off the mark and other times on great passes the receivers dropped seemingly easy catches.
Michigan State was never going to lose this game but against an even slightly more talented offense they would have been in a lot of trouble.
BIG TEHHNNN!!! Our conference is definitely coming out to be the absolute worst one this year... Even the MAC fields better teams than the Big 10! This game perfectly summed up how shitty the big 10 is. Our bottom feeder teams allow FCS schools to get within a 60 point margin of them! That and they can only score on defense or special teams. Pathetic. I'm getting more nervous for our debut today.
Didn't Kirk Herbstreit predict Sparty to contend for the B1G championship? Either he's on their payroll to say stuff like that or he's as blind as bat.
they have a very good chance to at least win the division. They will likely be IN every game they play, and if things break their way, they could still ride a favorable schedule and end up first, even with what looks like a mediocre offense.
John L never had a defense that good. Dantonio will break out all the tricks when they play us. Don't be like Sparty and "write that check."
When I think of their offense, I think it's something like if you took our offense and then took away Gardner, Fitz, and Gallon. Not pretty
In my mind this went from tossup to probable win last night.
God damn it Michigan.
My observations from last night.
Best player on the field was Broncos WR Corey Davis. Hands down. Not quick, but always found a seam and has great hands. I think he ended up with half of WMU's total yards. 2 star, 70 rated by 247. I think he may end up being a good one.
The MSU defense is just as good as last year if not better. The WMU TD at the end of the game was against a lot of our 2nd and 3rd teamers. I'm not a stats guy but a 26-7 victory would've 'looked' much better. WMU also gained 56 of their 204 yds on that drive. I'd rather keep the starters healthy and give up that TD.
Someone commented on the pass rush. MSU had 20 sacks last year. There were 5 last night. I'm not worried about the defense but who knows....with as much time as they'll be spending on the field they could suffer. The MSU offense is the biggest threat to the MSU defense.
There is no word in the English language to adequately describe MSU's offense. It's beyond ugly, abysmal, boring, etc. I'm not going to waste my time talking about it as most of you have already identified the issues. I have a bad feeling about USF next week.
I know this isn't football related, but not sure if its thread worthy either. Gary Harris injured his ankle in a pickup game with teammates, and is expected to miss 4-8 weeks.
Over at RCMB, they actually have a pretty funny thread going called "The 'Make and excuse' thread"
That ball they play with is a weird shape- too tough to catch I'd say
Not enough time to prepare.
Video boards are still too distracting.
WMU is the toughest opponent we've played so far
On my way to Ann Arbor for the game. I think I will reserve judgement until after I see how Michigan looks. Some of the comments on the RCMB remind me of the comments here after the 2009 UMASS game. Basically, yes the team won but good lord things look dicey.
Let's see how we look before we start trashing other teams.
this year...maybe more than last year. They don't seem to have any home run threat either running or passing the ball, and are probably going to depend on their D for a lot of points. I'll be very surprised if they win or lose many by more than 14.
Either the passing game has to get a lot better, or they will struggle to win 6 games this year. 3 yards per pass attempt is unacceptable in any weather conditions, especially against a mediocre defense like Western. They may be better than they showed yesterday, but whatever their "true" level of ability is, I would not expect much improvement over the course of the season as Maxwell is on the flat part of the learning curve now.
Edited: when betting on MSU games, always bet the under!
Dantonio may have done this on purpose. Lying in the weeds!!