Worth voting? Is this rigged? Not publicised well?
fair point that
Worth voting? Is this rigged? Not publicised well?
I think they like the "classic QB" mold more than the New Millenium QB mold.
and not many people vote for Denard. Also there seems to be more advertising or knowlege about the site in Texas. It is O'Brien by the way.
I almost fell off my chair. he's won the AT&T All America vote 2 weeks out of 4 this season, and every week he was nominated (likely to win this week also). i wouldn't say he's our little known secret dude
You must not have heard
Denard Xavier Robinson hasnt proven himself in the 2-minute drill or with the game on the line
Come on, silly goose.
I measure my QBs by their ability to manage a two-minute drill. To me, Denard still hasn't shown that ability. He's led a 3.5-minute drill and a 1-minute drill with a prayer to Hemingway. When he shows he can manufacture a drive out of nothing like Tate did against MSU last year, that's when he will be at the top of that list.
lol? is this sarcasm?
No. There's a reason that 2 minutes is the number. It's hard to run the ball without killing valuable clock time. Would he have completed that pass to Hemingway against MSU? Iowa? PSU? Wisconsin? OSU? He underthrew it and a competent CB would have turned his head back and slowed down with the receiver. If, for whatever reason, that ball is not caught, does Robinson have what it takes to move 25 yards in 0:20? I don't know. That's my point. If you take away his ability to run the ball with the clock, can he make the passes that he needs to complete a drive? I don't know and they don't know. That's why he is not #1. They are looking for the best passer, not the best guy taking snaps, otherwise anybody taking snaps in the wildcat would be a contender as well.
I'm not saying he should be higher or lower, I'm just saying that you can't rate something that you haven't seen.
Seems to me that a certain Chad Henne did that multiple times to Braylon and no one questioned his ability to run the 2 minute drill.
I think it's pretty funny that people are worried about UM's tiny time of possession and then concerned that Denard can't lead the team down the field quickly enough.
Besides, don't many 2 minutes drives often involve QB scrambles?
Pretty much any QB in consideration for a trophy can put a ball up for grabs with a receiver like Braylon. What made Henne great, in my eyes, were games like the 2005 PSU game where he led the team 55 yards in 42 seconds to score a TD. There was one designed run on that drive and it was on 3rd and 1. My favorite game that I ever watched Brady in was when he led us to a win down 14 in the 4th Quarter @PSU.
What makes it such a great test of a QB is that they need to read a passing defense and they need to make smart, accurate throws. Most of the time you won't see a designed run because it eats too much clock. Scrambles are different. If he realizes that nothing is open and that the clock is ticking away, he might be able to get a first down or get out of bounds to stop the clock. I specifically mentioned Tate's drive against MSU last year, which was half scrambles on broken plays. Essentially, I would want to see him chip away at a defense with a pulse before I gave him a trophy declaring him the best QB out there.
BTW, I'm not worried about TOP. The only thing that TOP hurts is an out of shape defense. If we beat MSU by only have 10 minutes of TOP, I wouldn't worry about the rest of the season at all.
Where do Denard's two 70+ yard drives that took all of 30 seconds in totality fit in?
I don't think I can take much more of this. Friendly advice, joeyb- stop talking. For your own good. Please.
So wait, leading a team 70 yards in one minute is good, but 55 yards in 42 seconds is bad? Just making sure.
Most of your argument is too ridiculous to even debate so I'll leave it alone but I can't pass this up;
"Would he have completed that pass to Hemingway against MSU? Iowa? PSU? Wisconsin? OSU? He underthrew it and a competent CB would have turned his head back and slowed down with the receiver."
Underthrown deep balls are completed every week in the NFL and college football against fully competent corners. It is one of the reasons why single coverage on that type of pattern is so dangerous. The DB can't simply 'slow down with the receiver' and make the play because the DB doesn't know where the ball is, is usually trailing the reciever, and has to worry about running into the reciever and getting a pass interference call.
He has the third highest passer rating in college football. Can he throw? Good frickin lord. I don't even want to go into the fact he is such a great runner that we DO run the ball in the two minute drill. The whole point of the thing is to score. No one cares how you do it. He ran what, 4-5 successful two mintue drills within the game last week.
So, last year when Magnus and I used passer rating to justify that Cousins was a better QB than anyone on this board gave him credit for, that was an abomination, but this year when our QB is up there, it's a great indicator of how good he is.
Just because you score in two minutes does not make it a two minute drill. Indiana was cheating up to stop the run the entire game. Once the O Line blew a hole open he's gone. Any QB at the top of a trophy list is going to be able to hit a wide open Hemingway on a slant or throw a short pass to Roundtree that HE breaks open. A lot of those plays should be credited to the other players on offense.
I think Denard is a fantastic player, I just don't think he should be awarded a trophy for best QB until he has proven he can compete against top defense when everything is stacked against him. Keep in mind that Tate was the greatest thing since sliced bread last year going into the MSU game, but then had a complete meltdown in the Big10. I don't think Denard will do that, but there is no proof that he won't.
Engineering 2 game-winning drives to end games (in only 5 games no less) somehow doesn't cut it with you, because A) one of them was within 3 minutes instead of 2 (which LOL), and B) the other drive doesn't count because...just because. I love that last- a completed pass to the goalline with only a few seconds left in the game in your mind only counts if it "looks" right, and, well, that pass thrown by the black QB just doesn't quite "look" right, now does it?
I have news for you: the NFL offense that Michigan used to run is gone. It's not coming back. Deal with it.
I must be racist because given the option of Denard Robinson or Chad Henne against the defense on the #3 team in the country in a situation where you have to move the ball 55 yards in 42 seconds, I would choose Chad Henne. Obviously, I have hindsight, but that's my point. Chad Henne proved himself in that game to me. I think Denard Robinson is a fantastic player and one of the best in the country. I'm just hesitant to call him the best QB in the country without seeing him take everything on his shoulders for a full drive against a good defense that is going to tackle him for a modest gain on a QB Iso and tackle his receivers immediately after they catch the ball. I want to see any QB prove that they can chip away at a top defense in the most dire of times before I anoint them the best QB. Honestly, I don't see anyone on that list that has proven it yet so I wouldn't feel comfortable calling anyone the best QB, but that's why they play a full season.
You realize you've changed your criteria, don't you? It started off as "he has to show he can engineer a 2 minute drill," now it's "he has to show that he could completely duplicate the heroics of that one guy in that one game many many years ago." Which is, of course, impossible.
Changing the criteria is a symptom of somebody who has made a decision on a guy, but is struggling to justify that decision because the facts don't support it. Chad Henne did not engineer 2 game winning drives within his first 5 starts. Does that mean anything? Eh, probably not, but I'm not the one trying to claim a hyperspecific set of criteria is somehow useful- you are.
Ok. Given the ball at the 20 yard line with 2 minutes on the clock and no time outs against one of the top defense in the country I would pick to have Chad Henne over Denard Robinson. I chose to stick with Henne's drive before because it was more difficult, i.e. it had more yards than seconds. Either way, in a time crunch where smart throws are the key to winning, I pick Henne because he's proven he can do it.
Well clearly a two minute drive can never be difficult because there are 120 seconds in 2 minutes but only 100 yards on a football field.
I can't wait until a team tries to stop Denard by rushing 3 and dropping into a prevent zone. That's an auto 20 yards each and every time no doubt.
Under those circumstances, I feel equally confident that both Henne and Denard could drive down the field and get a touchdown. WE JUST SAW Denard do close to that and in less time, for crying out loud.
Just epinion, but I feel that Denard would leave less time on the clock than Henne. And, well, I prefer that. So I guess I'd go with Denard.
I heard from Fox News that Denard was born in Kenya, and therefore he is INELIGIBLE to be a good QB. Makes you wonder just what exactly RichRod is covering up by keeping Tate on the bench, huh?
I never said he wasn't a good QB. I think he's a great QB. I don't think he's shown that he is the #1 QB in the country, however I think that he could by the end of the year.
Is it fair to assume that if 3.5 and 1 minute drills "don't count" we can cut out 57 seconds 62 seconds and the like?
He got the ball back with less than 2 minutes and scored and that's not the two minute drill? And you're discounting the ND game for some reason? Wait, what?
I think this is intended to be a joke but . . . eh.
You're right, imagine Denard if he were as effective as Tate!
...but I guess not. He shouldn't need to show you more than what all the so-called experts want, which is for him to do what he's done so far against a quality defense. Criticizing the pass to Hemingway is a bit interesting. He took something off the pass and basically gave his guy a jump ball. Most college DBs are not going to turn around and react like you think. There's a reason why the Lions' DBs suck. They have no ball skills.
There are not too many 18-22 years olds that will flawlessly execute a 2 minute drill, so that's such a ridiculous standard to put out there. If that's what you use to judge a QB, then Kellen Moore should be number 1 by far. And that's not a bad choice. But give me the best overall QB, which is what he has been so far.
He threw a catchable ball with a DL about to wreck him to a single covered Hemingway who pulled a 2007MSU Manningham and you call it a prayer? Do you like football?
It's good the selection committee seem to use a different criteria than the average drunken fan. It's also why the fan vote only counts for 5%
FORT WORTH, Texas – Denard Robinson has been named the Davey O’Brien Quarterback of the Week after leading Michigan to a thrilling 42-35 victory over Indiana. He received the same honor after beating Notre Dame the second week of the season.
The Davey O’Brien National Quarterback Award® (The O’Brien) is presented annually to the nation’s best college quarterback and is the oldest and most prestigious national quarterback award. The O’Brien honors candidates who exemplify Davey O’Brien’s enduring character while exhibiting teamwork, sportsmanship and leadership in both academics and athletics.
Other quarterbacks haven't shown the ability to play with their shoes untied in 58 seconds. That's my random criteria
I think it is funny that Kirk Cousins is 59th and behind QBs out for the season.
You're asking why he's behind Houston's backup, Terrance Broadway?
It's because none of them actually watch football.
Edit: I know he started their last game against Tulane, but is 250 some yards against the Green Wave good for Top-5 in the nation? No, but the voters did know that Houston's quarterback was good before having his knee destroyed.
Edit to the edit: Vote: http://www.voteobrien.org/login.asp
It's because Denard isn't really a quarterback, he's just a running back who just throws the ball occasionally.
The short answer: Denard is not leading because the world is full of stupid, ignorant people and I, for one, am sick of making excuses for those a-holes.
He just doesn't have enough moxie. Or is it grit?
His grit level is substandard. He needs more time around Kovacs and Vinopal.
Nope, he doesn't have enough of either. Denard is simply a class act...
on FX last week... GREAT SHOW...but might want to refrain from using "class act".
HA... if you didn't see it or don't watch the show.. move along nothing to see here.
I'm just glad that our head coach is a firecracker.
No, its definitely swagger he lacks, like our defense. See: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/suggestions-give-our-d-more-swagger
cause they don't think its Fair that Denard gets to be made of Dilithium
I was going to say that they are racist (sarcastically, of course), but then I clicked on the link and saw that 6 of the top 9 are black QBs. There goes my joke of a theory.
1st rule of davey o'brien award - winner must be dropback passer who will go high in the draft.
Because he already has the Doak Walker wrapped up, and they dont want him sweeping that, the O'Brien, Maxwell, and the Heisman.
I came to say this, but I will point out, you definitely forgot to award him the Groza.
Who is this guy? Some up and coming politician I've never heard of before?
3 of the top 4 QBs in the nation aren't even in the top 10 (Denard - 11; Mallet - 15; Luck - 31).
This has got to be some on-line popularity contest at this point....not a real vote that will count.
and raise you All-In for the Heisman.