What are we supposed to post in this thread?
I think Obama's appearance is a sure sign that Harvard is joining the Big Ten.
What are we supposed to post in this thread?
I think Obama's appearance is a sure sign that Harvard is joining the Big Ten.
WAS CLEARLY OUT OF BOUNDS. WTF?! facepalm
Put Biden in.
Not after the wise crack in West Virginia. I'm bummed Obama didn't have a make-up line for that.
This isn't the Obama commencement... It's the PEOPLE'S commencement!
(Drives off in truck.)
scathing analysis! you should make sure to call in a radio talk show and get the word out there!
I know we're treading way, way, way too close to the boundaries of MGoBlog no-no land, but since you brought it up, I'm genuinely curious: where did the "OMG OBAMA LOL TELEPROMPTER" meme come from? I mean, I can think of lots of things to criticize this President about, but not being able to speak extemporaneously is not one of them. Did anyone see the debates with McCain?
And, again, without impugning the character of past Presidents and therefore diving headlong into political no-no territory, wasn't there, within fairly recent memory, a President who, while likely having many fine qualities, was absolutely awful at speaking without a teleprompter?
I guess politics just isn't the rational, well-reasoned, honorable playing field that I thought it was...
86=1! NEW MATH!
Bien fait, mon bonhomme!
I mean really!?! You think that Bush was GOOD at speaking off the cuff?
I'm done talking about this subject else I'll get neg-banged for talking politics but Bush pretty much was terrible at everything.
You are wrong. I'm not going to even begin addressing the multitude of reasons as to why.
here is a younger george bush. Alcohol and cocaine are not good for the brain.
i was just hoping that, given the high level of intellect that i assume many poster here have, that, if a post were going to come close to crossing a political line, it would be more interesting and informed than something hannity mouth-breathes a hundred times a day or is written on every other tea party sign.
step up your game if you are gonna get redacted anyhow, right?!
something non political you could have said might have been "sure hope he knows michigan is a non smoking state now" because as of today it is and the president is a smoker. these are two facts and one of them does not shine brightly on the president, if that is your desired affect.
I actually completely agree with you. I know a lot of people are apt to slap up You Tube videos of George Bush's famous flubs, but having actually seen him give an address in person (and no, this isn't who I was referring to in my post further down in this thread), he actually gives a really good address without notes and without a teleprompter. I'm kind of curious as to whether the people who have responded to you with such negative reactions (or the people who have negged you) have actually seen him give an address in person.
So, you were able to take a break from hanging with Sidney Crosby long enough to attend a few presidential addresses? I, on the other hand, never actually saw George Bush speak in person, so I'm obviously not entitled to an opinion about his speaking skills. Now that you mention it, I'll bet all those YouTube videos are fakes -- if I wasn't there to see it in person, it never happened.
Wow man, you need to let it go. If you want to disagree with something I say, go ahead and do it on the merits of the point I am making, but following me from thread to thread and continually writting stuff like this is getting pretty pathetic on your part. Just let it go and move on with your life.
I did disagree with you on the merits. As with so many of your posts, you played the same card -- "I've got superior access, inside knowledge, seen more, etc., so my opinion obviously is worth more than yours." In fact, you have no idea how much experience or expertise other posters might have on any given subject -- most of us don't attach our resumes to our comments. On the particular subject at hand -- a guy who was president for eight years -- I think a fair number of folks have seen enough of his public speaking engagements to form an opinion about his public speaking skills. To denigrate the opinions of those who didn't see the guy "in person" is foolish. Is that clear enough for you?
Actually, if you go back and read the post that I was responding to and then read my post, you would see that the precise point that I was referring to was in person versus broadcast perception. It wasn't at all about "superior access" or anything of the sort. It was about the difference in perceiving something in person versus on television or through segmented video clips, which isn't a particularly controversial subject. In fact, I don't really know too many people who would actually disagree that there is a difference between in person and broadcast perception. I seriously have no idea what you could possibly find offensive or controversial about what I've written here. There is nothing there about "access", or anything of the sort. I'm not sure if you realize it or not, but it doesn't take any special "access" to see a President speak in person, especially during a campgain. My comment was a really simple comment about perceiving something in its entirety in person versus perceiving it on television or through segmented video clips. Nothing more, nothing less.
And yes, you're right. I have no idea how much expertise or experience other posts have (aside from several posters about whom I do know how much expertise or experience they have) about any given subject. Just like you don't know that information about me. I don't pretend that I do know that information. I just comment about what I personally know about a subject; not what I think others do and do not know. Consistent with this correct observation on your part, it should come to no suprise to you then that there are people who actually do know an awful lot about certain subjects because of the experiences they have had in life. It is really odd that you would critize someone for commenting from the perspective of that experience.
My criticism of Obama's public speaking is actually the reverse. He's okay at speaking extemporaneously (he's made a slip-up here and there, but that happens to everybody), but his prepared speeches have lost their freshness. He needs to vary his use of rhetorical devices more. He loves to employ the straw man (e.g., "There are those who believe we should [simplistic opposing argument]...") but that only works so often before it starts to sound tired. I feel like we get the same basic speech from him over and over, just with different specifics filled in.
made fun of this until she was caught looking at her hand repeatedly during a speech and when the camera zoomed in she had written crib notes in her palm.
Part of MSC's arguement to get Obama was the fact that Kennedy announced the Peace Corps at Michigan and that Michigan sends more students to the Peace Corps and Teach For America than any other school in the country
commencement exercises have already begun?! or are people showing up that early for seating. spoiler alert to the undergrads: if they still do it like they used to, the LATER you show up the CLOSER you are to the field. found that out after showing up 5 mins before ceremonies were supposed to start after a heavy night 'out' before.
First off CongraDulations (Yes I went there)! This should be one of the happiest days of your life. This is the culmination of all of your hard work throughout the years! Good luck in whatever you do decide to do after graduation whether it be: going into the workplace, attempting to find a job in a not so great economy for graduates (it could be worse you could have an MSU degree) or furthering your education more with post grad work.
I just wanted to let everyone know that you can honestly do whatever it is that you want. I remember when I first graduated I did two different jobs because well... they were the only job offers that I got. So I eventually quit the first one and went on to the second one (I quit the first without having a second lined up), and then quit the second (again not having another lined up) because I hated both of the jobs and thought that they were against my morals (in one case) and just didn't want to deal with the hours and never being able to have a social life with the other. The moral of this story is that I never stopped looking for the "perfect" job for me and you shouldn't either!
A lot of people will bitch about their jobs after graduation but few people will follow their dreams, goals, aspirations and actually do something about it. When I quit my second job I was talking with some alums (in their 40s) during a game of poker. They asked me why I quit my good paying job (that paid 60k a year w/o bonuses). I said because I felt unsafe doing it (we had to be exposed to radiation, exposives, let alone all of the other hazards that go along with being in the oil field business) along with having virtually no free time and a 24/7 job, not to mention that I hated it. The alums laughed at me and said "You'll never have a job that you love, that's a fantasy, the reality is that you have to have your job to make money and you're never going to have that job all that you can shoot for is a good paying job." Finally when i told them the whole reasons why I quit (at first I just said that I hated it) they agreed that my health should not be compromised for a job and asked me what I wanted to do. I told them my dream job and the one aum that I was closest with told me "That would be a bad ass job you should definitely try your hardest to do that".
Now what I'm not saying is to be like me in some ways: DO NOT (especially in this economy) quit your job without having another one lined up! (I really cannot stress this enough) But if you are unhappy in your job or current financial situation (or pretty much any situation in your life) it does absolutely nothing to bitch and moan about it. So many people in all 3 of my jobs bitch and moan and complain but none of them do anything about it to make their situations any better.
Anyways what I'm trying to say is that after 2 years of being graduated I finally got the job that I wanted doing exactly what I wanted when someone finally gave me a chance 2 years ago to do what i wanted to do when I first was graduating from undergrad. I studied a lot and I made myself a much better candidate than when I first applied to the industry and got hired in by the same firm that shot me down 2 years prior.
So as Obama would say: If you want change in your life and if you want to better your situation you can get "CHANGE" and "Yes we can!". Don't sell yourself short you went to the best all around University in the nation and you can do whatever you want to do!
Good luck. Don't forget to wear your maize and blue proud and to Go Blue!... ALWAYS!
You had me at radiation and explosives
I was basically just trying to say that you can do whatever you want to do if you put your mind too it. Probably put in way too many details. Me bad.. Me bad...
For those that thought: TL DR.
Summary: Congrats, you can do whatever you want if you put your mind to it. But don't quit a job before you have another one. Also never give up on your goals, don't bitch and moan about a job and do nothing about it too many people do that.
I said because I felt unsafe doing it (we had to be exposed to radiation, exposives, let alone all of the other hazards that go along with being in the oil field business)
That explains a lot.
They just showed a live shot from the Big House and it was packed.
Your sig is annyong. This isn't the RCMB.
I was thinking similar.
Seriously I was about to ask the same question. After the first post I was like "eh that's not too weird" after a few more I thought "Uh.. I don't get it I'm CONFUSED!"
It's an open thread at the Big House, isn't it? Honestly, I tried to inject them more at spots where political talk could pop up in attempt to distract people from replying with thought out (or not thought out) political banter. This thread has eventual deletion written all over it.
Could you at least save my post and just put it up on it's own accord before deleting the post if you are. I really don't want to have to type it again. (unless that's too OT). (I'm of course talking about saving the TL DR post not my political commentary).
Steady as she goes, Cap'n. She's taking on water, but appears to be basically sound. That is, until the Admiral starts addressing the swabbies...
That's kind of what I figured would happen as well. It's wait and see for me. No promises with the other mods.
I cant find it...
That's what actually blew me away--walking through the entrance to our section and saying "Holy crap I can hardly see the turf!" They had grads packed in there.
The energy was awesome and god help me I thought the Rawk music was a great addition. I sorta thought, for a moment, "shouldn't they play something more stately?" but then when they changed to the more traditional processional warmup stuff I realized that the Beyonce et al was a good mood elevator while waiting.
the Fox feed is crrrrap
ed: no slightly greater than crap
That is one funky set of academic robes.
looked like OSU
weak to bring that up for a cheap laugh
Pretty sure the grad speaker is an Mgoblog reader
This is a dubious use of graduation convocation.
Granholm's speech? Yeah, it was terrible.
ANGRY MICHIGAN SAFETY HATING GOD, NO!
I thought Granholm's speech was pretty bad (of course, she's just not as charismatic a speaker as Mary Sue and Obama) but as someone that doesn't really care either way (politically), I think all the Obama love was pretty justified. I mean, he's the President. That in itself at a commencement means there will be some complimenting both ways, regardless of who the Prez is.
In other words, who really cares
And Go Blue reference
fuck it this editor blows
the "source" button to post objects like embedded video, then click the button again to go back to the editor.
I want to live IN a volcano. That's what all the evil super-masterminds do.
I just need to be sure to hire better evil henchmen to protect my lair.
This speech has been awesome.
In my defense, that was up to the letters from kids. Since then... the speech has wandered to territories that I dare not discuss.
But the heading.
That's like three times today... HIVE MIND!!!
My initial reaction was more toward your inclusion of "democratic convention". I didn't see Granholm's as I can't get the BTN here.
Who knew Jefferson was in favor of SUCH DEEDS?
What can you expect?
Dude can speak.
I only caught the end. I didn't see any.
If he didn't make at least one "Go Blue" or "Hail to the Victors" reference I'm going to label his speech as EPIC FAIL.
I would've liked to have seen less of a diatribe on government and more of a focus on the graduates from what I saw.
Big House and Go Blue references.
With Go Blue!
Thought the speech was good but there were missed opportunities to talk about Michigan or address the graduates as, you know, graduates. Most of his speech could have been for any audience, anywhere. Timely topic, but I would have liked to see more of it tailored to those excellent young men and women in caps and gowns.
I'm disappointed, I truly wanted to see him throw a touchdown pass to Mary Sue in the north end zone and it just didn't happen.
He kind of made up for it with the "go blue," though. MSU and OSU both got shoved aside/dissed and ND wasn't even mentioned, so today is a good day.
Can't go wrong with leading by example, though
You want them to awkwardly and embarasingly fumble and drop the football...it was the front page picture of Stanfield's goofy dropped ball that cost him the election vs. Trudeau. It made him look like like a bumbling idiot.
While I would see this as a plus to catch Obama in a similarly awkward photo op, I would rather not see out team re-enact the same fumbles and dropsies.
Being of conservative leanings i would love to see him play some catch and pull a "Robert Stanfield"
C'MON OBAMA, HAIL OBAMA, HAIL!!! ;-)
Edit: I don't mind the negs, because it wasn't clear, obviously, but for the record - I wasn't asking people to "politically Hail Obama"...I just wanted him to lift his arm like 80,000 people around him were during the Victors...he's smart enough to figure it out. But it was a little tongue in cheek. And supposed to be funnier at the time it was posted, right when they played the Victors. Doesn't translate into the future so well, I can see. Just didn't want to give the idea that I was edging the no politics rule (cause I'm fully behind that one).
the Secret Service was in a 4-4 stack. They would usually drop one or two back and send the other two LB inside gaps.
So much for that hope of a non-political speech.
How many more days to football season???
+/- 4 days depending on whether you mean the college football season or Michigan's season..
College football doesn't start until Michigan says it does! :) (Although, I have to admit, if OSU lost to Marshall on that Thursday I'd accept that as the start to the football season :)
EDIT: Seriously? I'm getting negged for being bummed that the speech wasn't non-political? Really? Ok, whatever...
I think you're getting negged on the notion that it's possible for the president to give a non-political speech. What could he talk about that would be non-political? The fact that it's the President giving the speech makes it inherently political.
He is a person just like you and I (in the sense that he's human in in terms of being the leader of the free world). We have a great many differing views about politics on this site and with very rare exception does it get brought up. I'd say that at least a few people on this board are just as passionate about politics as he is but they don't talk about it.
Yeah, maybe it was a pipe dream but I can "hope" right? ;)
Maybe. But really, probably not. Also, this site is about Michigan athletics and has a strict rule about no politics. The graduation speaker was chosen because he is an extremely successful politician. That he should completely avoid talking about politics is a little ridiculous. When Larry Page came, we wouldn't have been happy with a Google advertisement, but it also would have been a little strange had he not mentioned Google.
I think Obama did a good job of the balancing act--he talked about politics because that's what he does and he has important opinions about it--without getting preachy or one-sided and while still directing his comments at the graduates and at how they can create a better world.
And as a counterpoint to the whole idea that the sitting president should generally avoid politics, I think it's pretty cool that Johnson announced his "Great Society" at a University of Michigan commencement.
I completely disagree. The President should be expected to be above partisan politics, especially in a setting such as a commencement address, and I would say this no matter who the President is or what party they are a member of. It's not about politics. There are a lot of different ways that he could have made the points that he did without being blatantly partisan. One of my several commencement speakers was a highly partisian politician who gave a phenomenal and non-political commencement address.
the fact that so many people left immediately following Obama's speech was utterly classless. I understand that a lot went to see the president, but I wish that more people would have shown a little more respect for the graduates, as the day was for them.
And while his speech was cool enough, the best part of the whole thing for me was the commissioning of the ROTC students. I'm not normally one for military stuff, but that was moving beyond belief.
All those people missed that. Shame.
how many servicemen get commisioned by the president? was really awesome that we all got to stand for it too and the crowd (that remained) showed a ton of respect.
Jenny was interviewing for her next job.
And this was not the place. Whoever on her staff didn't tell her to turn it around and talk about these Michigan businesses in the context of addressing the graduates with these Michigan work and research opportunities was as bad as whoever let ND post that embarrassing video.
Life inside the echo chamber.....
Freekbass nominated to the Supreme Court...