Please don't tar and feather me if this was already posted, but the NYT does a great write up about men's hoops that should make us all feel warm and fuzzy. Kinda.
Go Blue!
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/26/sports/ncaabasketball/a-fresh-five-pus...
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I'm still waiting
I'm still waiting for him to do this again.
Definitely smaller in this video
However, I may prefer him at this weight even if not as bulky as he currently is. He still needs to get in better condition, and to me he looks better in this video. And even though he is smaller he is still breaking backboards...
Robinson and McGary were
Robinson and McGary were hardly unheralded lol
He didn't
Say unheralded. He said they were as heralded as the Fab Five.
Werent*
Werent*
Your right, they weren't the
Your right, they weren't the #1 class in the country, they were only #3.
If you think this class or
If you think this class or any in the last 20 years were as hyped up or even close to as the Fab 5 was coming in then you obviously are too young to comment on it. The Fab 5 were on another level compared to any recruiting class when it comes to hype and heralded as a great class.
FYI you can edit your own
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I am in the camp of liking
I am in the camp of liking Jalen Rose, but when you start designing your own banner when the team didn't win a National Championship, it's time to give it a break. I could be wrong, but I don't think Houston has a Phi Slamma Jamma banner with the team's numbers on it next to their NCAA Runner-Up banner from 1983.
"Anyone who isn't confused, really doesn't understand the situation." - Edward R. Murrow
Why not? Phi Slamma Jamma
Why not? Phi Slamma Jamma was iconic.
Why do we act like anything but the National Championship is a "didn't win anything" failure?
You get to cut down nets when you make it to the Final Four 'cause it means something.
M'Dog
I don't think anyone
I don't think anyone considers a runner up team as a failure. But Michigan prides itself on such terms as "Hail to the Victors", "The Champions of the west", and "the team, the team, the team" so something like the banner Jalen described seems to go against those ideals.
"Anyone who isn't confused, really doesn't understand the situation." - Edward R. Murrow
There are no banners for
There are no banners for "iconic," "culture," or baggy shorts.
Sometimes I think Jalen needs to be not-so-subtly reminded of that by the powers-that-be at Weidenbach Hall.
Banners should get hung for championships
Not for having awesome players or playoff appearances (here's looking at you Detroit Lions). I do believe that there should be a way to honor their on-court merits. Maybe a legends patch or honorary numbers like the football team. There's other ways to recognize the culture shock that was the Fab Five.
Even if no banner (and
Even if no banner (and there's a good argument that they should be reserved for championships), I'd like to see some better recognition of their accomplishments. Crisler could have more stuff in the showcases, more content on the mgo website, invite them back for ceremonies, etc. I hate the way mgofans sometimes demonize former players.
New Orleans-based Wolverine fan.
We demonize Chris Webber
We demonize Chris Webber because he hasn't given us any reason not to.
Frankly, I hate the way mgofans make excuses for the guy, and forget the ways the other four have been making excuses for him for over a decade. They can have their legacy. We have a truly great team. Not five guys within a team worried about themselves and their legacy, but a complete team. And the Fab Five can't stand not getting their moment in the spotlight on these kids' backs, Jalen being the most egregious.
Enough is enough.
I agree
We can't claim "moral higher ground" over other fanbases while conveniently ignoring that Chris Webber was the person who made it cool to take Ed Martin's money. Webber pretended to be poor, despite having successful, middle-class parents, as though that "justified" throwing "his" Michigan into a cesspool that it took them ten years to escape.
College players should be allowed to take the money, but the fact is that they aren't. Chris Webber took Michigan out of the game for ten years, and was more responsible for the rise of Michigan State than Tom Izzo was.
Fab Five banner? No thanks. How about "the team, the team, the team?"
Great article, but..."They
Great article, but..."They have come to be called the Fresh Five.." Who calls them the Fresh Five?
I will fight 'til I am dead, a winged helmet on my head.
Apparently the NYT does. The
Apparently the NYT does. The author deftly uses passive voice to avoid saying who calls them that. I'll call them the Fresh Princes of Ann Arbor and maybe the next article will include "They have come to be called The Fresh Princes."
My guess?
Probably the same people that call Devin Funchess "Funch Bunch".
"[T]here were a lot of people predicting glorious heights for Rich; mostly the same people who are predicting doom and gloom [for Hoke]. Excuse me if I doubt their prognostication skills." -- M-Wolverine
Not Sure If This Is The Source...
...but an October 2012 article in Michigan Today calls them the "Fresh Five" as well. Of course, it says, "Already dubbed by some as the 'Fresh Five'...", so they do the same thing the NYT article manages to do when it comes to identifying the origin.
The NYT article is a nice writeup though - great praise from them, and they even touch on something that we all do when this happens, I am sure...
"Robinson picked up a ball and jogged toward the basket. He jumped, spun, wound his arm and slammed home a 360-degree windmill dunk.Whhhoooaaa!” his teammates yelled."
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That's funny. I remember the
That's funny. I remember the media using the same moniker when speaking of the '94 recruiting class. (Taylor, Baston, Conlan, Ward, and Mitchell).
The "Fresh Five" moniker was
The "Fresh Five" moniker was thrown around a lot more in 1994 with the Ward, Taylor, Baston, Mitchell, Conlon recruiting class. Back then, given that two of the Fab Fivers were still around, it was much more appropriate. Now it's nothing but a lack of creativity on the part of the author.
[EDIT: Sorry T...should have kept reading the thread before posting]
This is
This is one of the better writeups I've seen and, coming from a national paper, it's pretty good publicity. I might be in the minority, but I would really like to see them do something to honor the Fab Five. I don't know about a banner, but there should definitely be a tribute of some kind to them for the mark they made on college basketball and Michigan. Webber does need to come out and say something though before that can happen.
The current team should come
The current team should come out in the Fab-Five all maize uni's with the big bold Block M on them.
That would be a cool tribute, yet subtle enough to not be accused of trying to put the banners back up just yet.
It's time for the Block M to return! Between the winged helmet in football and the big bold Block M on the shorts in basketball, we are blessed with two of the most iconic uniforms in all of sports.
M'Dog
I agree
That would be a great idea for a tribute. I actually thought about that while watching the Penn State game, and I liked at the end of the article that Hardaway and Robinson mentioned the haircuts as a little tribute to them as well.
Yes. This is a great idea
Yes. This is a great idea
I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?
Agreed. Great idea to have a
Agreed. Great idea to have a tribute. Some younger fans may not remember this, but the baggy pants were actually controversial to some. I think Bill Walton used to whine about them. I'd like to see the team invited back. The pros and cons really deserve their own thread to debate.
New Orleans-based Wolverine fan.
Bill Walton criticizing any
Bill Walton criticizing Michigan for any reason when the John Wooden UCLA teams he lionizes had just as much involvement with boosters as Michigan ever did, is the height of hypocracy.
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My wish list for the NCAA tourney...
1) maize jerseys
2) black socks
3) black shoes
4) bald heads
5) 6 wins
THAT would be a tribute.
FYI this author, Tim Rohan,
FYI this author, Tim Rohan, is a Michigan grad. Wrote for the daily.
Oh well...
Then it's embarrassing for us as well as the NYT for not knowing the difference between 'flare' and 'flair'.
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Rohan was good but...
My favorite Daily "journalist" was always
Constantine "King Cobra" Bakopoulos.
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I'll go with Alan "the nose
I'll go with Alan "the nose knows" Goldenbach
Tim Rohan: Former Times Intern
Rohan started as an intern at the Times last summer. The staff beat-writers figured a good assignment to pawn off on an intern was to cover a Mets game. (The Mets didn't have a particularly exciting season.) Game turns out to be the first no-hitter in Mets history, and Tim's by-lined article was the entire cover page of the next day's Sports Section [LINK] and earned him public kudos from quite a few well-known sports writers. A Star is Born.
In fact he wrote for the
In fact he wrote for the Daily last year. He was the 2011-2012 sports editor for the Daily. Pretty cool to be on the NYT staff at 23.
"I just hope Tressel doesn't fire me"
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Great article, but...
I was there when the Fab five played for Michigan. I loved the documentary that Rose made. However, what's the difference between us wanting to honor the Fab Five and OSU wanting to honor Tressel? I thought it was lame when they had JT at a game this year and they honored their national championship team and carried him off on their shoulders. I sit there and think about all the crap he put their team through. Their so stupid acting like that.
Well, Webber's actions caused more harm to our program than Tressel's did to OSU. Is the difference that the other Fab Five guys should still be honored? I guess I can live with that.
Are we being hypocritical by wanting Webber back? I realize not all do, but I thought I'd put the question out there if it hasn't already been asked.
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The difference is huge
Chris Webber was a 19/20 year old kid that took money. Jim Tressel was a 50/60 something man that covered up his player's taking money. Chris Webber's moral wrongdoing is questionable since he was forced (not really forced, but you know what I mean) to make money for a University (that then redistributes that money to kids in non-revenue sports*) and not see any of it (except for his own scholarship which is borderline meaningless when pushed toward a general studies degree**). Jim Tressel IS the NCAA (athletic directors and coaches). Therefore his morality in terms of setting and enforcing the rules only to cover them up when it is his team that is guilty is disgusting.
Jim Tressel's cover up is the single most disgusting thing I have seen in college sports with the possible exception of oversigning. Webber broke the rules - but the rules are unjust. I'm not calling him Henry David Thoreau, but he sure isn't as bad as Tressel.
Also, it has been 20 years since the fab five. Tressel hadn't even been gone for two when they hoisted him on their shoulders giving the middle finger to the NCAA.
* This is a moment when i hate my user name, but one has to consider the fact that kids from predomenantly less fortunate backgrounds (I realize Webber doesn't really fit this point) in the revenue sports make money for kid's scholarships in the non-revenue sports, and generally from more fortunate backgrounds. This deserves its own thread - not trying to highjack this one...but I'm just saying.
** Also deserves its own thread.
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