Here's some more good news from Columbus. I wonder how Gene Smith could state that there was no systemic problem at OSU after the "investigation" in December.
national champs baby
November Audit of Compliance Dept Warned OSU on Cars, Equipment
June 3rd, 2011 at 7:41 AM
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November Audit of Compliance Dept Warned OSU on Cars, Equipment
June 3rd, 2011 at 7:44 AM | 
There it is....
There it is....
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:11 AM |
How will lack of control make things
How will lack of control make things
Worse for them?
2013 resolution - make it onto the 2014 favorite MGoPosters post, not ironically
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:50 AM |
True Dat
True Dat
They should make sure they have all-wheel drive cars for the palyers. It would give them much more control.
"Wasn't that Michigan drive just great. That's like Patton riding into Berlin." ~Bob Ufer
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:59 AM |
the ncaa does not look kindly
the ncaa does not look kindly
the ncaa does not look kindly upon lack of institutional control. harsher penalties for sure.
June 3rd, 2011 at 9:17 AM |
I dont look kindly upon
I dont look kindly upon
I dont look kindly upon people who dont look kindly upon lack of institutional control..... (Soith park anyone?)
June 3rd, 2011 at 9:35 AM |
Don't know the technical reason, but
Don't know the technical reason, but
lack of institutional control means that the administration knew and did nothing. Generally, ADs and Presidents claim that it was a rouge coach (or incident) that they could not have known about and thus deserve less punishment, because it could have happened to anyone.
However, if the AD/ President know about something and cover it up, the corruption is at the top and the whole University suffers (partly to fire the AD and maybe President).
"They're stuck with that quarterback (sophomore Braxton Miller) for the next two or three years, that's fine with me. He throws worse than (Tim) Tebow. - Steve Everitt
June 3rd, 2011 at 10:02 AM |
The easier thing for the NCAA
The easier thing for the NCAA
The easier thing for the NCAA to hit is "failure to monitor". From the PAC:
VIOLATIONS THAT DO NOT RESULT FROM A LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL:
- if adequate compliance measures exist
- if they are appropriately conveyed to those who need to be aware of them
- if they are monitored to ensure that such measures are being followed; and
- if, on learning that a violation has occurred, the institution takes swift action
ACTS THAT ARE LIKELY TO DEMONSTRATE A LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL:
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A person with compliance responsibilities fails to establish a proper system forcompliance or fails to monitor the operations of a compliance systemappropriately.
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A person with compliance responsibilities does not take steps to alter the system of compliance when there are indications the system is not working.
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A supervisor with overall responsibility for compliance, in assigning duties tosubordinates, so divides responsibilities that, as a practical matter, no one is, or appears to be, directly in charge.
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Compliance duties are assigned to a subordinate who lacks sufficient authorityto have the confidence or respect of others.
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The institution fails to make clear, by its words and its actions, that thosepersonnel who willfully violate NCAA rules, or who are grossly negligent inapplying those rules, will be disciplined and made subject to discharge.
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The institution fails to make clear that any individual involved in itsintercollegiate athletics program has a duty to report any perceived violations ofNCAA rules and can do so without fear of reprisals of any kind.
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A director of athletics or any other individual with compliance responsibilitiesfails to investigate or direct an investigation of a possible significant violation ofNCAA rules or fails to report a violation properly.
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A head coach fails to create and maintain an atmosphere for compliance withinthe program the coach supervises or fails to monitor the activities of assistantcoaches regarding compliance.
Go Blue!
June 3rd, 2011 at 10:00 AM |
Second post, just because of length.
Second post, just because of length.
COMPLIANCE MEASURES IN PLACE AT THE TIME OF VIOLATION AS A FACTOR IN
DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT THERE HAS BEEN A LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL
CONTROL
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The NCAA rules applicable to each operation are readily available to thosepersons involved in that operation.
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Appropriate forms are provided to persons involved in specific operations toensure that they will properly follow NCAA rules.
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A procedure is established for timely communication among various universityoffices regarding determinations that affect compliance with NCAA rules.
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Meaningful compliance education programs are provided for personnel engagedin athletically related operations.
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Informational and educational programs are established to inform athleticsboosters of the limitations on their activities under NCAA rules and of thepenalties that can arise if they are responsible for rule violations.
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Informational and educational programs are established for student-athletesregarding the rules that they must follow.
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An internal monitoring system is in place to ensure compliance with NCAA rules.
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An external audit of athletics compliance is undertaken at reasonable intervals.
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The chief executive officer and other senior administrators make clear that theydemand compliance with NCAA rules and that they will not tolerate those whodeliberately violate the rules or do so through gross negligence.
- The institution and its staff members have a long history of self-detecting, selfreporting and self-investigating all potential violations.
Go Blue!
June 3rd, 2011 at 11:09 AM |
The short term answer is that
The short term answer is that
The short term answer is that the OSU athletic department still isn't formally accused of anything by the NCAA. The allegations are focused on Tressel and Pryor and friends. Lack of institutional control is the biggie that the NCAA hits whole departments with.
June 3rd, 2011 at 7:47 AM |
Systemic Problem...is that even a real question?
Systemic Problem...is that even a real question?
The only questions I see in this whole mess, are:
- How hard will OSU get hit?
- How will the power struggle in the B1G shake out?
- Is Wisconsin set to drive that side of the conference for the next couple of years, assuming OSU is really punished?
Touchdown Michigan!
June 3rd, 2011 at 9:12 AM |
Legends? Leaders?
Legends? Leaders?
Is Wisconsin set to drive that side of the conference for the next couple of years, assuming OSU is really punished?
In the future, please refer to the divisions with their proper names. 50 lashes on the back for you with a "game worn" OSU jock strap ($10 on Ebay) for not using the Big 10-sanctioned league names!
p.s. I'm only chastising you because I still can't remember if UM is in the Leaders or Legends Division. I need to get this pounded into my head before the season begins.
June 3rd, 2011 at 9:13 AM |
We're in the Legends
We're in the Legends
We're in the Legends Division. I remember it because I still think it's absolutely ridiculous that the "Leaders and Best" aren't in the Leaders Division.
Denard has spent the offseason working really hard and smiling at people.
June 3rd, 2011 at 9:20 AM |
Gracias
Gracias
That's a perfectly logical strategy for me to remember. Thanks. Or maybe I'll just sing the fight song as "Legends and Best".
June 5th, 2011 at 9:06 AM |
"Why should we change our
"Why should we change our
"Why should we change our lyrics? They're the ones who suck."
Touchdown Michigan!
June 5th, 2011 at 12:43 PM |
Tejas and Tejas A&M agree
Tejas and Tejas A&M agree
Tejas and Tejas A&M agree with you. Each school's fight song makes fun of the other school.
Abort, Retry, Fail?
June 5th, 2011 at 1:01 PM |
I don't have any fancy music degree, but how's this?
I don't have any fancy music degree, but how's this?
Jim Tres-sel you're a cheat-er,
De-nard gon' run wi-ld
On, on, T.S.I.O
Come No-vem-ber
Go Blue!
June 3rd, 2011 at 7:49 AM |
I assume
I assume
that if OSU loses bowl games, they also can't appear in the Conference Championship game?
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:06 AM |
Your guess is as good as
Your guess is as good as
Your guess is as good as mine, but i would view that as included in post season ban.
Touchdown Michigan!
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:09 AM |
Excellent question. I was
Excellent question. I was
Excellent question. I was wondering the same thing yesterday. Since the B1G CG isn't a "bowl game" would tsio be prohibited from participating? I don't think so.
"the Spirit of Michigan...is based on a deathless loyalty to Michigan and all her ways....and a conviction that nowhere is there a better university, in any way, than this Michigan of ours" - Fielding Yost
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:12 AM |
I think
I think
I think you are right. I remember reading that USC can't go to Pac12 championship game this year, so I would assume same would be true for Buckeyes in B1G once they got hit.
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:19 AM |
That was the PAC10 that
That was the PAC10 that
That was the PAC10 that decided USC couldn't participate, so I assume the Big10 will need to make the same type of decision.
"the Spirit of Michigan...is based on a deathless loyalty to Michigan and all her ways....and a conviction that nowhere is there a better university, in any way, than this Michigan of ours" - Fielding Yost
June 3rd, 2011 at 9:06 AM |
I think the Big Ten is going
I think the Big Ten is going
I think the Big Ten is going to have to. Otherwise, the other CG participant would have a guaranteed Rose Bowl berth, even if they lost by fifty.
Go Blue!
June 3rd, 2011 at 9:25 AM |
Also, Jim Delaney
Also, Jim Delaney
Jim Delaney will not be in such a charitable mood toward OSU after they played him for a fool back in December.
June 3rd, 2011 at 9:30 AM |
I really just want it ending
I really just want it ending
I really just want it ending up that we qualify and they do as well but can't go because of their cheating ways. I want Wikipedia to have the list up in 2040 or whatever with the BTCG participants list saying something like this:
2011 Michigan vs. Wisconsin*
*Ohio State won the Leaders Division but due to B1G/NCAA sanctions were unable to compete.
Go Blue!
June 3rd, 2011 at 11:06 AM |
This would be fantastic
This would be fantastic
Great Idea - God, are you listening? Make this happen please. Thanks.
109,901 Seats, 351 Big Ten Championships, 116 Olympic Medalists, 44 National Championships, 26 Rhodes Scholars, 18 Puliltzer Prizes, 8 Astronauts, 3 Heisman Trophies, 1 US President, 1 Tradition of Excellence
June 3rd, 2011 at 12:31 PM |
As long as we're dreaming: **
As long as we're dreaming: **
**The Leaders division was renamed the Eastern division in 2014.
Abort, Retry, Fail?
June 3rd, 2011 at 12:39 PM |
Nah...
Nah...
...by 2014 the B1G will have twenty members, and we'll have the "Big Division" and the "Ten Division".
Go Blue!
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:22 AM |
Interesting...
Interesting...
Good luck to the Leaders Division.
June 3rd, 2011 at 7:50 AM |
posted from iPhone
posted from iPhone
So they knew about a lot of unregistered in 2006, and did nothing to correct the problem? Yeah, that's gonna bite them in the ass.-
June 3rd, 2011 at 7:57 AM |
Change of pace...
Change of pace...
It's great to see anyone from the Dispatch actually write something negative about TSIO. That is something that usually just isn't done in Columbus. Now that the "citizens" of Columbus are turning their relationship with the Lantern into a war, could the same dynamic with the Dispatch be far behind?
It would be great if the TSIO fanbase created an advisarial relationship with the Dispatch. To bastardize an old saw, "Hell hath no fury like a reporter scorned." If the resources of the local media outlets were ever turned fully toward the truth in Columbus, TSIO fans would soon be longing for the days when Tressel's resignation, tats, and cars were the only things they had to worry about.
June 3rd, 2011 at 9:22 AM |
I think that is just not true.
I think that is just not true.
In my view -- and we are all generalizing here, when we are talking about many years of Dispatch reporting, by many different people, on numerous different stories -- the Columbus Dispatch has done a good job of reporting on OSU football. Their lead CFB columnist, Ken Gordon, has been fair, and has done a good job. The Dispatch has been leading the way in a lot of the car-deals reporting.
If you read the Buckeye blogs, they are all angry at the media, including the Dispatch. They are fans; you'd expect some of that. And, there are some fans who think this whole mess is an embarassment that they have to get through quickly and effectively and move on.
But I don't think that anybody can make either one of the two extreme cases:
- The Dispatch was out to get Tressel, or;
- The Dispatch has been covering up for OSU football.
Sports Illustrated may have a lot more to defend, than the Dispatch, in terms of defending its methods of journalism.
I like the Dispatch, because it seems to move cautiously. I just think that the whole world is hyperventillating over this story right now.
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:08 AM |
hilarious
hilarious
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:17 AM |
It was even funnier
It was even funnier
It was even funnier yesterday
http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/tressel-hitler-video
"the Spirit of Michigan...is based on a deathless loyalty to Michigan and all her ways....and a conviction that nowhere is there a better university, in any way, than this Michigan of ours" - Fielding Yost
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:14 AM |
Even the local news has been
Even the local news has been
Even the local news has been wieghing in with negative news about OSU, but mostly over Pryor. Its like once someone (lanter, SI) started the negative talk it was ok to report on it.
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:33 AM |
The Kicker
The Kicker
This is the real kicker:
In 2006, the auditors' review of athletes' car registration forms found that they were incomplete and sometimes inconsistent with the car registry maintained by University Transportation and Parking. Compliance officials vowed to correct the problem.
But last year, the auditors reviewed car registrations of 152 athletes and observed vehicles driven by football players to spring practice. Auditors found that 44 athletes bought parking permits for, received parking tickets in, or were seen driving cars that weren't registered.
Records obtained in May show that football players continue to submit incomplete forms, lacking sales prices, dates of purchases, co-signers and other required information.
That sounds like a lack of institutional control to me, but what do I know, I'm just a caveman...
The evidence is clear, it's not like the NCAA can now say that it found nothing.
Guilty as charged.
Your MGoLawyer in Columbus. Unabashedly representing the interests of Wolverines all across enemy territory and now back hoMe.
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:36 AM |
To me, the most telling
To me, the most telling
To me, the most telling aspect of that block quote was "auditors observed vehicles driven by football players to spring practice."
They actually sat in the parking lot and watched dudes pull up in their whips. Awesome.
"the Spirit of Michigan...is based on a deathless loyalty to Michigan and all her ways....and a conviction that nowhere is there a better university, in any way, than this Michigan of ours" - Fielding Yost
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:42 AM |
whips
whips
sorry, I'm out of the loop, but what does whips mean/stand for?
Your MGoLawyer in Columbus. Unabashedly representing the interests of Wolverines all across enemy territory and now back hoMe.
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:51 AM |
a whip = a car
a whip = a car
not sure exactly when/where/how that got started but rappers have been saying it for a while
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Sometimes I think it's a sin
When I feel like I'm winnin when I'm losin again
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:58 AM |
Sorry for the venacular. I
Sorry for the venacular. I
Sorry for the venacular. I was trying to give off an impression that I'm hip, despite the fact that the majority of posters here are literally half my age.
"I'm old enough to be your father" is quite apropos in my case. Sheesh. How depressing. haha.
"the Spirit of Michigan...is based on a deathless loyalty to Michigan and all her ways....and a conviction that nowhere is there a better university, in any way, than this Michigan of ours" - Fielding Yost
June 3rd, 2011 at 9:25 AM |
omgoldpeopleamirite?gosh!!1!
omgoldpeopleamirite?gosh!!1!
omgoldpeopleamirite?gosh!!1!
"There will be blood on the field and it won't be mine." -KK
June 3rd, 2011 at 12:36 PM |
That's how I'd do it.
That's how I'd do it.
It's amazing how careless people get in a parking lot.
Abort, Retry, Fail?
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:50 AM |
I don't know if I'd say that's the "kicker"
I don't know if I'd say that's the "kicker"
because those three paragraphs are really pretty much the entire article. The rest of it is just filler -- fluffy quotes from Doug Archie, fluffy quotes from Orville Redenbacher, etc. They could've just published those three paragraphs but instead tried to stretch it out to take up more page space.
I'm not sure how big of a deal all of that is, but I am sure that OSU will have some explanation for it, truthful or not. Unfortunately I think it's gonna take more than just this to bring about that big juicy LOIC allegation we're all hoping for.
Sometimes I think it's a sin
When I feel like I'm winnin when I'm losin again
June 3rd, 2011 at 9:08 AM |
Dont insult Orville
Dont insult Orville
Dont insult Orville Redenbacher......although Gee and cronies are helping popcorn consumption, so maybe Orville doesn't mind.
June 3rd, 2011 at 9:11 AM |
sadly I agree
sadly I agree
I can see them trying to spin this as "the compliance department was on top of this, in fact they notified us in November. We were planning to make changes and implement more stringent oversight, but it just so happens that everyone found out before we had the chance to get the changes through committee. See Mr. NCAA banhammer man? We were trying"
I get the feeling that the NCAA may now be working with OSU to try and mitigate the damage so they dont have to go all SMU on them. Kind of like when a company doesnt pay its taxes but the accountants and IRS come together on a "strategy" to keep from sending the company into bankruptcy. Essentially if enough lawyers and turd polishers get involved, things are going to get watered down. At least thats my fear.
I hope they burn it down, but I don't see the NCAA having the stones to go through with it
ALWAYS remember the golden rule: He who has the gold, makes the rules
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:29 AM |
We don't really care that
We don't really care that
We don't really care that several football players were caught driving loaner cars, but hey, we self reported over 400 minor violations.
Yes I got him a gift. He had a kidney stone. You piss a rock through your pecker, you deserve more than just a pat on the fucking back.
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:31 AM |
OSU Compliance Department
OSU Compliance Department
THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING!!!
Hide ya kids, hide ya wife.
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:51 AM |
I'm seeing a t-shirt here
I'm seeing a t-shirt here
I'm seeing a t-shirt here
Worst Compliance Department Ever... then again, i don't ever want to tempt the angry gods.
Touchdown Michigan!
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:54 AM |
365 Days of Christmas
365 Days of Christmas
This is literally a bottomless pit of disgrace that TSIO's plummeting down right now.....it's like we're waking up to something new everyday.
June 3rd, 2011 at 9:51 AM |
Literally?
Literally?
Where does one find a bottomless pit, and how does one go about filling it with disgrace? Also, if it's already full, wouldn't they stand on top of the disgrace rather than plummeting down?
/vocabulary nazi
June 3rd, 2011 at 9:04 AM |
So they can show the OSU took
So they can show the OSU took
So they can show the OSU took no action to correct a problem that they knew was happening? Awesome. This definitely will not bring new problems to OSU, especially since this new evidence is completely on Tressel and he's already resigned.
Go Blue!
The key evidence that the administration "knew or should have known" about the problem. "Lack of Institutional Control", here we come....