The key evidence that the administration "knew or should have known" about the problem. "Lack of Institutional Control", here we come....
November Audit of Compliance Dept Warned OSU on Cars, Equipment
Worse for them?
They should make sure they have all-wheel drive cars for the palyers. It would give them much more control.
the ncaa does not look kindly upon lack of institutional control. harsher penalties for sure.
I dont look kindly upon people who dont look kindly upon lack of institutional control..... (Soith park anyone?)
lack of institutional control means that the administration knew and did nothing. Generally, ADs and Presidents claim that it was a rouge coach (or incident) that they could not have known about and thus deserve less punishment, because it could have happened to anyone.
However, if the AD/ President know about something and cover it up, the corruption is at the top and the whole University suffers (partly to fire the AD and maybe President).
The easier thing for the NCAA to hit is "failure to monitor". From the PAC:
VIOLATIONS THAT DO NOT RESULT FROM A LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL:
- if adequate compliance measures exist
- if they are appropriately conveyed to those who need to be aware of them
- if they are monitored to ensure that such measures are being followed; and
- if, on learning that a violation has occurred, the institution takes swift action
ACTS THAT ARE LIKELY TO DEMONSTRATE A LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL:
A person with compliance responsibilities fails to establish a proper system forcompliance or fails to monitor the operations of a compliance systemappropriately.
A person with compliance responsibilities does not take steps to alter the system of compliance when there are indications the system is not working.
A supervisor with overall responsibility for compliance, in assigning duties tosubordinates, so divides responsibilities that, as a practical matter, no one is, or appears to be, directly in charge.
Compliance duties are assigned to a subordinate who lacks sufficient authorityto have the confidence or respect of others.
The institution fails to make clear, by its words and its actions, that thosepersonnel who willfully violate NCAA rules, or who are grossly negligent inapplying those rules, will be disciplined and made subject to discharge.
The institution fails to make clear that any individual involved in itsintercollegiate athletics program has a duty to report any perceived violations ofNCAA rules and can do so without fear of reprisals of any kind.
A director of athletics or any other individual with compliance responsibilitiesfails to investigate or direct an investigation of a possible significant violation ofNCAA rules or fails to report a violation properly.
A head coach fails to create and maintain an atmosphere for compliance withinthe program the coach supervises or fails to monitor the activities of assistantcoaches regarding compliance.
The NCAA rules applicable to each operation are readily available to thosepersons involved in that operation.
Appropriate forms are provided to persons involved in specific operations toensure that they will properly follow NCAA rules.
A procedure is established for timely communication among various universityoffices regarding determinations that affect compliance with NCAA rules.
Meaningful compliance education programs are provided for personnel engagedin athletically related operations.
Informational and educational programs are established to inform athleticsboosters of the limitations on their activities under NCAA rules and of thepenalties that can arise if they are responsible for rule violations.
Informational and educational programs are established for student-athletesregarding the rules that they must follow.
An internal monitoring system is in place to ensure compliance with NCAA rules.
An external audit of athletics compliance is undertaken at reasonable intervals.
The chief executive officer and other senior administrators make clear that theydemand compliance with NCAA rules and that they will not tolerate those whodeliberately violate the rules or do so through gross negligence.
- The institution and its staff members have a long history of self-detecting, selfreporting and self-investigating all potential violations.
The short term answer is that the OSU athletic department still isn't formally accused of anything by the NCAA. The allegations are focused on Tressel and Pryor and friends. Lack of institutional control is the biggie that the NCAA hits whole departments with.
The only questions I see in this whole mess, are:
- How hard will OSU get hit?
- How will the power struggle in the B1G shake out?
- Is Wisconsin set to drive that side of the conference for the next couple of years, assuming OSU is really punished?
Is Wisconsin set to drive that side of the conference for the next couple of years, assuming OSU is really punished?
In the future, please refer to the divisions with their proper names. 50 lashes on the back for you with a "game worn" OSU jock strap ($10 on Ebay) for not using the Big 10-sanctioned league names!
p.s. I'm only chastising you because I still can't remember if UM is in the Leaders or Legends Division. I need to get this pounded into my head before the season begins.
We're in the Legends Division. I remember it because I still think it's absolutely ridiculous that the "Leaders and Best" aren't in the Leaders Division.
That's a perfectly logical strategy for me to remember. Thanks. Or maybe I'll just sing the fight song as "Legends and Best".
"Why should we change our lyrics? They're the ones who suck."
Tejas and Tejas A&M agree with you. Each school's fight song makes fun of the other school.
Jim Tres-sel you're a cheat-er,
De-nard gon' run wi-ld
On, on, T.S.I.O
that if OSU loses bowl games, they also can't appear in the Conference Championship game?
Your guess is as good as mine, but i would view that as included in post season ban.
Excellent question. I was wondering the same thing yesterday. Since the B1G CG isn't a "bowl game" would tsio be prohibited from participating? I don't think so.
I think you are right. I remember reading that USC can't go to Pac12 championship game this year, so I would assume same would be true for Buckeyes in B1G once they got hit.
That was the PAC10 that decided USC couldn't participate, so I assume the Big10 will need to make the same type of decision.
I think the Big Ten is going to have to. Otherwise, the other CG participant would have a guaranteed Rose Bowl berth, even if they lost by fifty.
Jim Delaney will not be in such a charitable mood toward OSU after they played him for a fool back in December.
I really just want it ending up that we qualify and they do as well but can't go because of their cheating ways. I want Wikipedia to have the list up in 2040 or whatever with the BTCG participants list saying something like this:
2011 Michigan vs. Wisconsin*
*Ohio State won the Leaders Division but due to B1G/NCAA sanctions were unable to compete.
Great Idea - God, are you listening? Make this happen please. Thanks.
**The Leaders division was renamed the Eastern division in 2014.
...by 2014 the B1G will have twenty members, and we'll have the "Big Division" and the "Ten Division".
Good luck to the Leaders Division.
So they knew about a lot of unregistered in 2006, and did nothing to correct the problem? Yeah, that's gonna bite them in the ass.-
It's great to see anyone from the Dispatch actually write something negative about TSIO. That is something that usually just isn't done in Columbus. Now that the "citizens" of Columbus are turning their relationship with the Lantern into a war, could the same dynamic with the Dispatch be far behind?
It would be great if the TSIO fanbase created an advisarial relationship with the Dispatch. To bastardize an old saw, "Hell hath no fury like a reporter scorned." If the resources of the local media outlets were ever turned fully toward the truth in Columbus, TSIO fans would soon be longing for the days when Tressel's resignation, tats, and cars were the only things they had to worry about.
In my view -- and we are all generalizing here, when we are talking about many years of Dispatch reporting, by many different people, on numerous different stories -- the Columbus Dispatch has done a good job of reporting on OSU football. Their lead CFB columnist, Ken Gordon, has been fair, and has done a good job. The Dispatch has been leading the way in a lot of the car-deals reporting.
If you read the Buckeye blogs, they are all angry at the media, including the Dispatch. They are fans; you'd expect some of that. And, there are some fans who think this whole mess is an embarassment that they have to get through quickly and effectively and move on.
But I don't think that anybody can make either one of the two extreme cases:
- The Dispatch was out to get Tressel, or;
- The Dispatch has been covering up for OSU football.
Sports Illustrated may have a lot more to defend, than the Dispatch, in terms of defending its methods of journalism.
I like the Dispatch, because it seems to move cautiously. I just think that the whole world is hyperventillating over this story right now.
Even the local news has been wieghing in with negative news about OSU, but mostly over Pryor. Its like once someone (lanter, SI) started the negative talk it was ok to report on it.
This is the real kicker:
In 2006, the auditors' review of athletes' car registration forms found that they were incomplete and sometimes inconsistent with the car registry maintained by University Transportation and Parking. Compliance officials vowed to correct the problem.
But last year, the auditors reviewed car registrations of 152 athletes and observed vehicles driven by football players to spring practice. Auditors found that 44 athletes bought parking permits for, received parking tickets in, or were seen driving cars that weren't registered.
Records obtained in May show that football players continue to submit incomplete forms, lacking sales prices, dates of purchases, co-signers and other required information.
That sounds like a lack of institutional control to me, but what do I know, I'm just a caveman...
The evidence is clear, it's not like the NCAA can now say that it found nothing.
Guilty as charged.
To me, the most telling aspect of that block quote was "auditors observed vehicles driven by football players to spring practice."
They actually sat in the parking lot and watched dudes pull up in their whips. Awesome.
sorry, I'm out of the loop, but what does whips mean/stand for?
not sure exactly when/where/how that got started but rappers have been saying it for a while
Sorry for the venacular. I was trying to give off an impression that I'm hip, despite the fact that the majority of posters here are literally half my age.
"I'm old enough to be your father" is quite apropos in my case. Sheesh. How depressing. haha.
It's amazing how careless people get in a parking lot.
because those three paragraphs are really pretty much the entire article. The rest of it is just filler -- fluffy quotes from Doug Archie, fluffy quotes from Orville Redenbacher, etc. They could've just published those three paragraphs but instead tried to stretch it out to take up more page space.
I'm not sure how big of a deal all of that is, but I am sure that OSU will have some explanation for it, truthful or not. Unfortunately I think it's gonna take more than just this to bring about that big juicy LOIC allegation we're all hoping for.
Dont insult Orville Redenbacher......although Gee and cronies are helping popcorn consumption, so maybe Orville doesn't mind.
I can see them trying to spin this as "the compliance department was on top of this, in fact they notified us in November. We were planning to make changes and implement more stringent oversight, but it just so happens that everyone found out before we had the chance to get the changes through committee. See Mr. NCAA banhammer man? We were trying"
I get the feeling that the NCAA may now be working with OSU to try and mitigate the damage so they dont have to go all SMU on them. Kind of like when a company doesnt pay its taxes but the accountants and IRS come together on a "strategy" to keep from sending the company into bankruptcy. Essentially if enough lawyers and turd polishers get involved, things are going to get watered down. At least thats my fear.
I hope they burn it down, but I don't see the NCAA having the stones to go through with it
We don't really care that several football players were caught driving loaner cars, but hey, we self reported over 400 minor violations.
THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING!!!
I'm seeing a t-shirt here
Worst Compliance Department Ever... then again, i don't ever want to tempt the angry gods.
This is literally a bottomless pit of disgrace that TSIO's plummeting down right now.....it's like we're waking up to something new everyday.
Where does one find a bottomless pit, and how does one go about filling it with disgrace? Also, if it's already full, wouldn't they stand on top of the disgrace rather than plummeting down?
So they can show the OSU took no action to correct a problem that they knew was happening? Awesome. This definitely will not bring new problems to OSU, especially since this new evidence is completely on Tressel and he's already resigned.
I want to believe that the NCAA will site them for the LOIC, the improper benefits and the show/cause for the Vest. I want to see a 3-year post-season ban, loss of at least 8 schollies a year for 4 years at least.
Until I see it imposed I don't have much faith in the NCAA and the process.
the compliance dept saw, noted and passed out helmet stickers. What more do you want?
This shows that he knew.
A scumbag in a bow tie is just like a scumbag in a sweater vest.
Gee is absolutely beloved. Highest paid public U president in the country, Time named him BESTEST PREZ EVAH, people fellate him right and left.
I don't see him getting fired.
Maybe at some point he'll make a public show of sadly shaking his head over how those people let him down, but I think he'll be at OSU until he dies or chooses to retire. Or goes off to lead yet another in his endless string of schools, but why would he?
unless he's Dhani Jones or Sean Connery, that is.
In November, auditors were all "you should look at cars and equipment":
The OSU auditors wrote in November that the department needed to pay more attention to athletes' cars, particularly those driven by football players, and needed more control over the inventory of uniforms and equipment.
Then Gene Smith was all, "we looked into this, and the memorabilia sales were the only thing happening. Seriously guys. Nothing to see here."
Cognitive dissonance is starting to hurt my brain.
If you don't think about it.
I'm not sure if I picked up on this before, but 9 football players were pulled over in Franklin County with dealer plates? What???? Sounds like players could drive any car they wanted off the lot without ever having to buy it. And the OSU Athletic Department basically says, "we don't know why, you should ask the players." Is this really happening?
Commence full OSU meltdown in 3 - 2 - 1 . . . .
From the Dispatch article:
"At least nine players had been issued traffic citations in Franklin County while driving vehicles with dealer license plates. OSU compliance officials said the majority of those players purchased used cars and were given a dealer license plate while waiting for the new registrations. Archie said 'you would have to ask the dealers' as to why the players' cars had hard license plates as opposed to the cardboard temporary tags that typically are issued."
This whole "gosh, we don't know why; ask the dealers" sound pretty lame when you read what that Texas player wrote about how Texas handled the cars issue (in the blog Brian linked to).
The steady trickle of information exposing the layers upon layers of lies throughout the entire "University" is simply delicious.
This makes me so glad that UM was so willing to let all the information out at once and just rip the band-aid off all at once - cheers to DB.
It's unfortunate that the Dispatch subscribes to the one sentence paragraph school of journalism that is destroying America.
So, like WTF Gene?