Notre Dame in talks to join ACC in football
Fox Sports has reported that Notre Dame is having conversations about joining the Atlantic Coast Conference for football. Already a member in all other sports, the Fighting Irish would become the 15th full-time member if this were to happen.
I didn't like dumping our series with Arkansas to play them again. Seems like they are scared to join the big ten after multiple offers too.
Link: http://www.theuconnblog.com/2017/5/13/15634424/notre-dame-join-acc-netw…
(and Louisville) are a long way from the Atlantic Coast.
Access to the CFP and revenue are the driving factors.
Because you have to be good to make the College football playoff. They were 4-8 with a loss to 3-9 MSU.
Just let that resonate in your brain for a minute.....A LOSS TO 3-9 MSU. How could Brian Kelly, in retrospect, not resign his position immediately when looking back at the past season and see the 3-9 Spartans beat ND.
Last week it was reported that Oklahoma and Okla St were in early conversations with the SEC. Sounds like expansion is on the horizon again. The next 4-6 years will be very interesting. Do we get Texas and 1 other too?
With the ACC Network about to come on line...ND wants in. This is a money decision.
The Big XII is about to get left out in the cold.
And rather than just rework everything geographically and for rivalries...they're going to wait until the last second, Big XII teams are going to leave and then you're going to end up with Texas in the B1G.
I don't know why they don't take the P5 schools now and just make it the P4. Anyone can see whats about to happen - especially if Oklahoma does indeed leave the the SEC.
...but this ND thing is about the ACC Network, no one thought it was going to get the money it did and they killed it with their deal. The Irish aren't stupid, they want some of that mula.
Big Ten? IF they're finally willing to join a conference and make the TV stuff work, why not the Big Ten? Just convenience since they're already with the ACC in all other sports? From a pure revenue perspective I have to think the Big is preferred. Unless they think the ACC gives them better access to recruits in the south so they have a better chance to actually be good at football again.
Would love to see Texas and ND added to the west, with Purdue moving into the east. And while we're add it, trade Rutgers for Pitt, Syracuse, pretty much anyone else.
They're locationally challenged and we're numerically so. Is one really that much worse than the other?
I doubt scared is the proper term for it, I just think they resisted calls to join the Big Ten for so long that it became a point of pride to not do so. If they were going to end up joining a conference, fine, there just was no way it was going to be the Big Ten.
I can see Notre Dame not wanting to join the conference that wouldn't take them back in the day because they were Catholics.
well, slavery (at least in that form) was ended. Catholicism hasn't ended, so that's not quite the correct analogy.
I don't like the ACC and SEC because of slavery and the South.
Notre Dame football is headed for irrelevancy unless they get John Harbaugh as their coach.
The conference possibly didn't take them because they were a small private school. The conference possibly didn't take them because they didn't follow Big Ten recruiting rules (and the Big Ten demanded that they follow conference rules for a few seasons before being allowed to join).
The idea that they were forbidden from joining because they were Catholics is ludicrous.
Yes and no.
The original formation of the conference now known as the Big 10 back in the 1880's excluded ND largely because - at that time - they were a small, private school without much legacy.
Fast forward to 1920s, ND's application to the Big 10 was rejected primarily because ND was a Catholic institution (and Rockne was pretty hated by - among others - Yost).
Fast forward again to the 1940s and ND's application was rejected for two reasons: 1) The Catholic legacy combined with elite alum at ND wanted to remain independent; and, 2) There was a preference for larger state colleges. MSU was ultimately selected over ND, Iowa State, Pittsburgh, and a few others...
Yost had no vote on joining the conference. The vote was conducted by Faculty Athletic Representatives (FARs).
Yes, Rockne was hated because of his recruiting methods, which were seen as unethical at the time. That had a lot to do with ND's rejection in the 1920s. I can assure you that ND would have been rejected then even if it had been a Methodist school.
You are right, Yost did not have a vote. However, to suggest Yost didn't have the political equity to influence the vote is - to your point - ridiculous.
Look, it's widely known and documented that anti-Catholic sentiment was rampant in the country back then. It's an unfortunate part of our history, but - fortunately - I think it's history.
Today, the argument about whether to admit ND or not is primarily economic...but it wasn't always that way. Religion played a major role.
(1) There was a lot of anti-Catholicism
(2) something something Yost something
therefore, ND was rejected due to anti-Catholicism.
And yes, I reject the assertion that Yost had the political equity to influence a 10-school vote. As a matter of fact, if it were widely known what Yost thought about something, a majority of schools would have done the exact opposite just to spite him.
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Not entirely sure I am tracking the "missing a step" comment. I outlined the three instances of ND applying to the Big 10 and a general summary fror why they were rejected.
Again, it's widely known and understood their application in the 20s was rejected due to their Catholic standing. You can reject or deny that...so be it.
Personally, I don't really care if ND is in the Big 10. And I suppose we can have two different perspectives on the past...C'est la vie.
Okay, I guess I can't explain it any further than to assert that even though some truly awful anti-Catholicism existed at the time (and, of course, still does to a lesser extent), not every negative outcome for a Catholic individual or institution was due to anti-Catholicism.
I agree it's "widely...understood" that they were rejected due to anti-Catholicism. I deny it, because it's wrong. The only reason it's "widely understood" is that Notre Dame asserts it, repleatedly and unceasingly, whenever the subject is brought up. And for whatever reason, Notre Dame and its sympathizers dominated sports journalism during the ensuing half Century.
For some further reading on this, refer to the book Arrogance and Scheming in the Big Ten by David J. Young. It's a history of Michigan State's repeated and ultimately successful attempts to join the conference, and it is written from an anti-Michigan perspective from beginning to end, but it actually brings some facts into this still-emotional debate, including a side discussion of Notre Dame's repeated attempts to join the conference and the conflict between their recruiting model and the Big Ten's rules.
https://www.amazon.com/Arrogance-Scheming-Big-Ten-Membership/dp/0615584…
sources and everything...nice job.
Over 100 years ago...
I get the 'point of pride' argument, but at the same time they did just join the Big Ten for hockey.
College Hockey is not nearly the same as College Football.
but they obviously didn't have enough 'pride' to stay away from the Big Ten in hockey. They could've joined the NCHC easily with other old CCHA rivals in Western and Miami, but they didn't. They obviously aren't wholly opposed to being affiliated with the Big Ten
It's really hard to kick a field goal with a puck
they made for themselves. And keep burying themselves. And when we can bury 'em, let's do it with pleasure. They didn't want to be just another team in the B1G. . . they can be one in the ACC.
It doesn't make much sense, financially, for all of their varsity sports to travel as far as Clemson, FSU, etc. multiple times per year.
they can brag about having the 3rd largest payout of any school in Indiana (just $7 million behind Indiana and Purdue). Suck it Ball State and Indaiana State!
Nebraska traveling to Maryland?
because Nebraska also plays Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Iowa, etc. who are all in relatively close proximity to Nebraska
I guess Louisville gives Notre Dame a friend west of the Appalachians but otherwise the league is very much southeastern with the stragglers in New England. Kinda wild for a school that's right on the border with Michigan to be playing conference games in Atlanta, Tallahassee. and Coral Gables in all their sports, several times a year. No one is particularly close to ND other than Pitt and Louisville
Oh look there's a hole the shape of New Jersey! I know a perfect school for the ACC!
Oh. Right.
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DELANYYYYYYYYY!
I think Maryland will eventually prove to be an okay addition. Durkin is turning things around and their hoops program will always be solid. The problem is that ND wanted their lame "everything but FB" affiliation and the B1G wasn't interested.
Maryland could be national champions in everything and I wouldn't want them. I don't think judging additions solely by their on-field prowess is the way to go. The Big Ten is a Midwest league. I'd rather have Iowa State than Maryland even if ISU were ten times worse than Rutgers at everything.
And I only stopped with that many because I ran out of room. Iowa State is trash. Maryland is a respectable school who gives Penn State a very natural regional rival
The Big East is dissolving and I need cash now.
Call Jim Delany!
877-CASH-COW
I'm sure they would bring in Cincy to create a far more balanced league geographically.
Since Maryland joined after Nebraska, I think the better argument would be Maryland traveling to Nebraska.
I get your point. But to me, it's still a little different. Maryland (and Nebraska) joined the B1G to take advantage of the conference's payouts. ND joined the ACC because the B1G wasn't going to kiss their ass.
Louisville to Norfolk (e.g., Atlantic Coast) is 531 miles as the bird flies. Lincoln to Ann Arbor is 681.
Louisville and Notre Dame isn't a horrible geographic fit at all for the ACC.
fuck Notre Dame.
their delusional joepa loving fans.
to add one more team
West Virginia?
UCONN?
Memphis?
USF?
Houston?
Cincy?
an extra bye week during the B1G regular season
playing time for everyone!
Wait a second, I think we just scored again.