So, random anonymous "Michigan fan" gets to meet Kelly (not the players, it seems) and gets a tour and concludes form that alone that ND will crush Michigan this year and will be the next USC?
Somehow I'm not too concerned.
So, random anonymous "Michigan fan" gets to meet Kelly (not the players, it seems) and gets a tour and concludes form that alone that ND will crush Michigan this year and will be the next USC?
Somehow I'm not too concerned.
is the Notre Dame scout thread so different from the random WVU player's account of RR this past week?
i asked 2 questions below the thread link that i'd like people to respond to. obviously, most of us arent sure what to expect out of Kelly and ND this season. so id like to get some opinions about the game this season and possibly ND's future.
there are a lot of questions surrounding the Michigan/ND game this year. my confidence would be up if it were a home game, but i think this game will be tougher than people think. at this point, i wouldnt put money on either team yet.
-Michigan coming off a tough game vs UCONN. Michigan will be playing under a lot of pressure @ ND. ND's biggest strength is their passing game vs Michigan's questionable secondary. Michigan special teams has a lot to prove as well with losses at kicker and punter. there was talk of a lot of inconsistency from the kickers in the spring.
"is the Notre Dame scout thread so different from the random WVU player's account of RR this past week?"
Didn't the random WVU player actually play football... for RR? If so, yes it is worlds different.
As for the questions you pose, they are good ones. I think Michigan will steamroll ND this year (transitions are tough, ND will learn that). They will not be the next USC. I'm not sure what the ridiculous scout thread added in the posing of those questions.
if true, the thread has a few interesting tidbits about ND and Brian Kelly, and their future. the thread also leads to this person's opinion on the outcome of this years Michigan/ND game.
ive thought about the future of ND under Brian Kelly and this years ND/Michigan game just the same, and i was interested in getting the opinions of my fellow mgobloggers.
good point about player vs fan, but i find it hard to totally buy in to anyone's opinion outright regardless of who they are. Justin Boren and a slew of others would be just as quick to slam RR as others would back him up and call him great coach. imo long term results are the best gauge of a coach. fwiw, ive personally believed for a while that if RR builds a strong defense again at Michigan he will have long term success there.
never played for Rich Rodriguez. So that's a big difference from someone who, you know, actually played for him.
One thing we have not seen is large number of Rich's players at WVU and elsewhere having bad things to say about him. You say there are equal numbers of his players on both sides of the argument, when in fact it is nothing like that -- the overwhelming majority of actual RR alumni think he's a great coach.
A lot is going to be determined on how we come out versus UCONN. Personally I think this game might not be as close as some people may think. RR & the players know how big the UCONN game is and will come out extremely focused. Don't want to take anything away from UCONN but this game will come down to more than just pure player ability. After a whole offseason of nothing but bad publicity, Michigan will come out more focused than we have ever seen them before. I have a feeling UCONN will not know what the hell hit them.
As far as the ND game, I think this will be a high scoring game that could go either way. But you would have to give us the edge purely based on experience. BK is installing a new system with new players and its going to take some time for them to click. Its going to depend on our front line putting pressure on an inexperienced QB, shutting down the run, and our secondary making stops when they need them. I feel we will get enough stops for our offense to out score them to win the game.
~ I wouldn't worry about the game being at Notre Dame. Notre Dame Stadium is hardly an intimidating place to play. Over the last five years, Notre Dame was 20-14 (.588) at home, and 15-13 (.535) on the road, and that includes neutral site games. Hardly intimidating, IMHO.
~I think Michigan gets ND at a good time of the year. ND will be one game into a new system. As such, the passing advantage you mention is going to be wholely dependent on their ability to adapt to the new system quickly. I'd be much more worried about a run-heavy team in that scenario.
And has won there once in the last 15 years. The overall record may show they're not good, but they always show up to play us.
Notre Dame is only 5-8-0 in Ann Arbor in that same spell and has only one once in Ann Arbor in the last 15 years. Not that I'm disagreeing with your point - I basically share it - but we're really just saying that each team tends to do about twice as well at home in the series.
(I'm mainly chiming in because it was a little surprising, actually, to see we'd only one four times there. I'm mollified by their reciprocal lack of wins in our stadium.)
Obviously we won a lot of games here and there when we were teaching them football. And yes, it's basically home field. But the point was that Notre Dame has sucked at home, not really holding a home field advantage...except they have against us; even when they're not so good. (Because ND had two games annually that will get them noted by pollsters...us, and USC). It's a home dog's series.
Though you are right. For all the talk of Leprechauns in South Bend, they've had as hard a time up here. I just wouldn't want to be the favorite going on the road hearing how you are going to kill the opponent; because usually that's the brew for an upset with these teams.
ND may have the most space between floor and ceiling of any team on our schedule, and it all comes down to the offense and mostly to the QB. Crist is a 5-star in his third year in the program, but he's hardly played, is coming off an injury if I'm not mistaken, and is learning a new system. I wouldn't be surprised if ND's passing attack is as good as anyone's in the Big 10, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's totally ineffective, especially given the new system and the mostly rebuilt line.
ND's running game will likely be nothing special, and their defense should be improved, but not enough to carry the team if the offense isn't working.
Games are won in the trenches my friend and the way I see it notre dame ain't got much on either side of the line, ya dig?
I guess I'm missing out because I don't have a scout membership and therefore can't read the post - but could someone summarize it for folks like me?
Readers Digest Version follows:
Mysterious Michigan fan gets to spend some time with new ND coach Kelly. By the time they're done, said fan thinks that ND will spank the Wolverines this year and will lead ND to become the next USC.
All ND posters gloat at how Kelly has converted this fan and pledge their undying aliegiance.
Sounds to me as if there is no mystery to this fan at all! He is not a Michigan fan!
"Irisheyes" is the name of their board? Woof.
I hope so. And hopefully they write a book about it.
I thought Charlie Weis was gonna turn them into USC?
To hell with Notre Dame!
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He's proven it at every level thus far. That CMU stint was not that fantastic, but he still won 3 conf. titles. He's also seems to have a streak of amazing fortune going for him - a knack for taking lemons and making lemonade (i.e. the whole Cincy QB debacle that was not a debacle at all). How does he do that? Collaros was a two-star unranked QB coming out of Steubenville, OH. And what does Kelly turn 5 star, No. 3 QB like Dayne Crist into?
The Notre Dame job is going to be his toughest challenge, but my guess is he'll have them ready to contend for a national title faster than Lou Holtz did.
As for this year's game against Michigan, it's probably too close to call. Notre Dame has a lot of questions on offense, which aligns nicely with Michigan's weaknesses at LB and the secondary. Plus, I get nervous whenever Brian Kelly claims he has big problems at the quarterback position. Head for the mountains.
Sure, Collaros wasn't a big recruit who did very well in Kelly's offense, but he was a kid who won like 3 state titles in high school for his small town team, and was playing a lot of back yard style football for UC last year, against the Big East. He's one of those QB's who's better at f-ing around and making plays work than he is about being a pocket passer.
Crist is the opposite, so who knows if he'll even be as successful as Collaros. Also, Collaros had a couple years to learn the offense before he did all of that. Crist will have a few months and one game before he plays us, and he's not even fully recovered from his knee yet.
We'll see what Kelly does, but I'm not totally convinced yet.
not well suited for Kelly's offense. He will have trouble, unless the O-line offers lots of time and protection, which I doubt.
Tony Pike could be considered "slow and clunky." Let's not completely lose our heads with our maize and blue glasses on.
Holtz won it all in year 3.
I've seen people on the board talk about the ND game like it's a slam dunk. I think that that is a mistake. Kelly is a heck of a coach, and ND still has a lot of talent...I don't think we should assume anything going into that game.
the ND game as a slam dunk.
But we give no measure to their cockiness either!
Spread is not an offense. I wish people would get that out of their heads.
Texas Tech=/=West Virginia. BK does not run the crazy ninja option that was so hard to learn for our pro-style players.
So part of the reason Brian Kelly is going to make ND the next USC is because he "put a velvet rope around the "ND" on the floor in the locker room". Once the stripper pole is installed, the Irish should be runnin' on all cylinders.
If we lose to UConn, I think we will lose the ND game. It'd be bad if we were 0-1 and heading to South Bend with no confidence. I don't think we will lose though. Hopefully we kill UConn and head to ND with a lot of confidence.
but I think ND has a 70/30 shot of losing its opening game to Purdue. If ND loses its opener, they will have tons of pressure and motivation to try to turn it around when playing UM. It will be an interesting dynamic either way.
I don't think Brian Kelly is going to lead Notre Dame to near death-sentence level punishment for running an out of control football program, if that's what you mean by the next USC.
Silly domers. They're obessed with us to an extreme amount.
Says the person posting on a Michigan Blog thread regarding what someone read at a ND thread...
I think he will turn ND back into a contender eventually, as will RR with MI. Should make for some huge match ups between us over the next few years. This year both teams are too much of a mystery right now to make a call. I do think MI's 3-3-5 can be effective against the type of offense ND will be running. Hopefully RR can kick around his Big East buddies for a couple weeks.
Obviously as an ND fan, I like our chances. Kelly said in a recent interview that he thinks the running backs and offensive line are the strengths of the offense, which is in stark contrast to the anemic running game under Weis. I personally don't see how Michigan is going to defend both Michael Floyd and Kyle Rudolph and shut down ND's running game. This game comes down to Dayne Crist, if he gets knocked out at any point this season ND is in major trouble. He needs to play within himself and get the ball to his playmakers, and ND has the talent to score a lot of points.
Defensively, I don't think any defensive coordinator did a worse job than John Tenuta last year. ND's personnel was recruited for a 3-4, so I expect major defensive improvements under Bob Diaco, who led an undefeated defense that had 10 new starters (most with MAC level talent).
Transitions can be interesting. Michigan had total culture shock with RR, and lacking a quarterback and team leadership paid dearly for it. ND has had some pretty successful transitions under both Tyrone and Charlie, two awful college coaches. I think BK is a much better coach, so hopefully he can channel the whole new voice yelling at you angle and at least do as well as the TW and CW in their first years.
But I think it's too early to say anything meaningful about who will win the game. Both teams are pretty big mysteries.
Weis had an already seasoned Brady Quinn at QB when he started, not a luxury that BK has. I agree that Michael Floyd and Kyle Rudolph are good players, but ND will have to run the ball well to make them a threat. Even then, Crist has to prove he can get the ball to them and be on the same page with them, or their superstarness is negated. Even if all of that happens, ND has to prove they can stop other teams from scoring, something they haven't done well the last few years (and something UC didn't go against the good offenses they faced).
I'm not saying ND will be a bad team, but saying "Hey look we have a really good WR, a really good TE so we have to be good" isn't gonna fly by me. Last year ND had Clausen, Rudolph, Floyd (for half the season) and Golden Tate, and they couldn't win too many games.
I'm certainly doing a lot of projecting, but isn't everyone at this point? Charlie Weis was a pretty horrible college HC, so far BK has proven to be an outstanding HC. If he could get the job done with Pike, Collaros, Mauk, Lefevour, etc., (all of them except Mauk having no experience) as a glass is half full kind of guy, I would like to think he could do it with a 5 star in Dayne Crist who has all the physical talent you could want.
Armando Allen had the best rushing game of his career against Michigan last year (139 yards), so from my perspective I think he will be able to do some damage on the ground this year as well.
I look at Michigan's defense and I find it difficult to project them being any better when they lose the best player in the Big Ten (Graham), top LB (Brown), and top DB (Warren).
Were all guessing at this point, but I would put my money on ND right now.
You can't compare Crist to any of the guys you named. Not at CMU or UC did BK need to play with a QB with no starting experience and an offense in their first year in the system. Lefevour's freshman year was BK's third year there (I think) so everyone else on offense was used to the system, only the QB was new. As you said, Mauk had starting experience, and by the time Pike and Collaros were starting, they had both played as a back-up in that system for a couple years before being asked to take the reins. ND has none of the above.
You mentioned the guys we lost. All 3 of them will be missed, but those are the ONLY guys we lost from last year's starting defense. That means we bring back 2 of 3 DL, 3 of 4 LB's, and 3 of 4 DB's (but it's possible one of those get's replaced by a youngster who steps up, likely Vlad or Cam Gordon). We lost some quality, but we return a lot of quantity on D, which will likely make us bigger and more experienced on the whole.
Armando Allen will not have 139 yards this year against UM. There's a better chance that Crist throws for 300 than Allen runs for 139.
I'm not predicting a Heisman trophy for Crist, I just think he will play well enough to beat the 82nd ranked defense that is losing far and away its best player, along with 2 other guys that were among the few that have proven they can play at a high level. Crist might not be a perfect comparison to the guys I mentioned before but he has much higher accolades than they did coming out of HS, is in his third year in college (his first two under a pretty good QB mentor in Weis), playing in a very QB friendly system, with a lot of experience around him, and throwing to two future 1st-2nd round draft picks.
I am much more confident ND's defense will be vastly improved than Michigan's (thus with a better chance to stop Michigan's offense than Michigan against ND's offense). ND's more highly recruited players are finally in a system they were recruited to play in. Only one projected starter will be green (without any significant playing time on defense).
As an above poster mentioned earlier the home team in the ND-UM series tends to win twice as often as the road team. That certainly won't hurt ND.
I don't really feel like going round and round with you because nothing is definite until we see it on the field this fall. I do think you are foolish to reject out of hand that ND will be able to put up a lot of points. I could certainly see it going your way with a new QB falling flat on his face but I would have said the same thing last year and look how that turned out!
At no point did I ever say anything about whether ND would score a lot of points or not. I'm just saying that the reasons you give for ND to be so good and UM to be bad aren't that justified.
Losing 3 of your best players on defense often hurts, unless they are the only 3 you lose and they are replaced by highly rated guys. Our defense was small and young last year - adding a year of experience and bulk to the guys who do return makes a big difference. Another stat that many people miss about the people returning on our defense is that we aren't even losing a single back-up from our defense last year. Not only are 8 of 11 starters returning, but we also bring back all the roll players who came in off the bench.
Of course we're both speculating at this point. The difference is that I'm not making any predictions; I'm merely pointing out the flaws in the reasons you give for your predictions. Of which there are many.
What it ultimately boils down to is that you're an ND homer on a UM blog. We welcome fans of other teams around here, even rival teams, but you need to be objective to be taken seriously. Saying things like "5 star QB 4 star defense you lost BG hur hur hur" isn't going to get you far.
I fully acknowledge I'm an ND homer when I make my prediction but I don't think I'm being unreasonable or unobjective with some of the evidence I'm citing. A major coaching upgrade (based on record, getting it done at multiple schools), talent differential (stars, rival rankings which has been proven to have some worth something here and elsewhere on the interwebs), and the advantage of playing at home are pretty objective facts.
You haven't proven that the added experience on your defense will make up for losing arguably your 3 best players (and only star player). It is certainly possible but you cite it as a definite point in Michigan's favor.
I don't think I'm being unobjective when I use different evidence than you to support my opinion. I fully accept I may be off base here, just thought the mgoblog world may enjoy hearing a contrarian perspective on why ND may have success in Kelly's first year.
Major coaching upgrade combined with talent differential sounds so familiar. Let's just say there's a hell of a lot more to it than that.
Alright I am not sure if you're actually reading what he has told you so lets see if I can help.
Last time ND ran the 3-4 (2008) this is their end of year results: http://web1.ncaa.org/football/exec/rankingSummary?year=2008&org=513 now you can contrast that with the previous year: http://web1.ncaa.org/football/exec/rankingSummary?year=2007&org=513 Now that was with just a single off-season to prepare and without any recruiting class geared towards the 3-4.
Since ND last ran the 3-4 they have graduated 11 key players from the 2008 defense. It breaks down to 2 CBs (3.5 rivals star rating), 2 Ss (3), 5 LBs (2.6) and 2 DEs (2.5). ND will be filling those positions (and others) with recruits from the #1 recruiting class in country (2008). The average rivals ranking of the same positions for the upcoming starters (CB, S, DE) is 4 stars or better in the case of LB with Teo from the 2009 class. Not only are the players guru approved but they were recruited to play the 3-4, that makes a big difference in the strength of the front 7 as a whole.
There is nothing there that makes me think the defense won't be improving quite a bit. I actually expect this year's defense to live up to the expectations I had for it last year.
I get all of that, and I really never touched on ND's defense and whether or not it will be any good. My gripes are more with his prediction of our defense, basing it only on who we lost, and not at all on who we return, or who will be replacing those we lost.
Nobody likes to lose their best player, but that doesn't mean the defense (or offense) as a whole can't get better. After 1997, Tennesse lost Peyton Manning, yet they won the National Championship in in 1998. I'm not predicting that as a result for us, but you need to look beyond simply who graduated when predicting success.
I definitely have a better idea of what ND has personnel wise but the image I have of UM's defense isn't much different than Rockne spoke of. A 3-3-5 base should help the LBers but the secondary looks much worse than a year ago and there is going to be another S on the field. Cissoko is in jail, Warren is gone and Dorsey didn't get in, a walk-on has a strong chance to be the best player in the UM secondary this year. There is no longer a Brandon Graham to fight through the double team on the Dline, and pressuring the QB. He had a 3rd of the team TFL and almost half of the teams sacks, there is no one on UM's roster who will replace him this year.
With ND, the switch to the 3-4 plays to the team's strength, they ran it with a lot of the same personnel and successfully against mostly the same opponents and will be doing it again with even higher rated players and a coaching staff which has won a lot of games. With UM's switch to the 3-3-5 it comes off almost the opposite; an already weak secondary, which personnel wise is now weaker than last season, and the new scheme requires even more of them on the field both in quantity and responsibility. Is any of that proof of what will happen this season? Certainty not, but that is the way it looks right now.
Well, Cissoko was gone midway through the season and was benched before that. Even when he played he gave up everything, you should know that if you watched the game. JT Floyd started a few games in his place and did OK for a RS frosh with no experience, and Woolfolk played very well all season, whether it was at corner or safety. Unless a freshman comes in, I expect those 2 to start at CB. And this walk-on you mention was freshman all big ten, so he's not that bad. Yes, the 3-3-5 adds more DB's to the field, but it changes their responsibilities. We happen to have a surplus of big safety types who will be perfect for the spur/bandit role that is the added DB. Essentially, we are replacing Stevie Brown with a DB, which he basically was anyway. If you watched closely last year (and maybe you didn't, so I understand), our safeties were very good when playing near the LOS, it was in deep coverage that they struggled. Our probable starter at the deep safety is a guy (OMG 4 star so he must be good!) who was on offense last fall, otherwise he may have been back there already.
BG was a big loss, but it won't cripple the defense since we still lose only one player at each position group, which will be a net gain in most instances.
Anyway, I'm not going to argue with you about it any more, we'll all find out soon enough.
I would move to Las Vegas tomorrow.
Edit: This post was meant as a response to the ND fans' predictions.
It's funny to hear you to say let's wait and see them play on the field, because I think that's what most people on this board would like. The problem is, we are getting bombarded by the Irish hype machine. All we hear is how ND and BK are gonna crush UofM and everyone else beginning in year one of BK's reign. The article linked by the OP is a perfect example.
FWIW, you took shots at UofM's defense (82nd ranked), but you didn't mention the fact that Cincy's defense (after 3yrs of BK) wasn't much better (67th) and ND's was actually worse (86th). ND's defense was so bad last year that you lost to us despite having the 8th ranked offense in the country.
It also is difficult to see how ND's offense, with your signicant losses (QB, WR and OL) and your switch to a new system, will be better than it was last year (8th ranked). As a point of reference, Cincy's offense (again after 3 yrs of BK) was ranked 11th. On the other hand, UofM's offense should be better this year, if for no other reason than we will not be playing freshmen at QB. It is hard to come up with a single logical reason why our offense should be worse.
So, on paper, this year's game looks like it should be similar to last year's game, more or less a shootout between two teams with suspect defenses. It certainly doesn't look like either team should count it as an automatic win.
About every 3-5 years we hear about how this ND coach is going to turn things around a turn the Irish into a machine. At this point it just goes in one ear and out the other.
I actually agree with you, as an ND fan and as excited as I am about Kelly, I really am ready to see it on the field before I buy it hook, line, and sinker. Even Weis (first two years) and Willingham (first year) had initial success. I'm not ready to make any bold predictions about 10 wins or beating USC but I do think we will beat Michigan. Mainly as I've discussed at length, I like the matchup with our highly talented skill position players versus a weak and unproven Michigan secondary. I also think our defense will have improved much more than Michigan's.
Posters above mine mentioned how Michigan was going to kick Notre Dame's ass this year so I just thought I would offer my take on things. Also, living in the Detroit area and being friends with many Michigan fans I have heard that Michigan will beat ND so I think it goes both ways. I agree if you think one team is definitely going to win you are going out on a limb, which I am did before.
I could offer you more evidence that I think Kelly's offense is more conducive to scoring points (Weis' offense had the tendency to stall, see the Navy game, 3rd quarter Michigan), we had many coaching problems (awful defensive coordinator, many technique issues with WRs, horrible offensive line coaching led to lack of development of OL) that I think the new staff will address, and our defensive players are finally playing a scheme that they were recruited to play. Cincinnati had to replace 10 starters on defense and was on the field due to the Cincy offense having one of the lowest TOP in the country, so I think being ranked 67th is pretty impressive.
I do think the Michigan offense will be just as good, I think Michigan's defense will be slightly improved, I think the ND offense will play well enough to win, and I think the ND defense will take major steps forward. I've cited my evidence, which obviously isn't the be all end all, but neither is yours.
You haven't cited any evidence. Every one of your assertions begin with "I think" and that is all the evidence you provide. And, FWIW, the fact that you think Cincy's defense being ranked 67th in BK's third year is "pretty impressive" is shocking (and sad). The fact that they could win the Big East with a defense that bad is evidence how weak the Big East truly is. But I'm happy it works for you guys in South Bend.
The 67th overall defense with 10! new starters, forced to be on the field more than any other FBS team, with MAC level talent, in a coordinator's first year in a new scheme (they switched from the 4-3 to 3-4 in Kelly's last year at Cincy and brought in Diaco) might not blow you away, but it certainly is a hell of a lot more impressive than Michigan finishing 82nd in overall defense with a first round pick (and best player in the conference) and Big 10 level talent.
I'm very happy to see how it works out for you guys!
Do you think it's possible that he said the running game was the strength for any reason other than the running game is good?
Maybe he is trying to inspire the RB's and O-line. Maybe he is trying to put a spark in the passing game to be better. Maybe the running game is the strength bc the passing game sucks as it's trying to pick up a new system with a new QB. I hardly see BK saying the running game was the strongest part in the spring game as a sign that Michigan can't stop Floyd/Rudolph AND the running game. I'll believe ND's running game is legit when I see it and not when "I have a motive to say so" BK says so.
I do think he has an agenda saying that, but as an ND fan I also think the running backs who are very experienced and a veteran (for the most part) o-line are ahead of the WRs and QBs. Allen is a very solid RB and Chris Stewart and Trevor Robinson are both very experienced OL that should excel in run blocking.
Thats what happens when you have MAC caliber players on D.
I did watch the Sugar Bowl last year and I really wasn't that surpised. When you face one of the top 5 most talented teams in all of college football (maybe the most talented), and you have MAC caliber players, it shouldn't be a close game.
All of ND's projected starters save one on defense were 4 star recruits or better. Their backups are almost all 4 star recruits or better. Tenuta was an abomination as a DC, probably the biggest reason Weis was fired. If he had left Corwin Brown as DC he probably would still be coaching the Irish (although I think his other shortcomings would catch up to him sooner rather than later).
I'm very optimistic ND's defense will be much improved.
ND has had a ton of great recruits for years, it doesn't mean that much if they can't get the job done. Last year, M had as many 5 stars as 3 stars in their from 7 (one of each) and it wasn't that good. Similarly, our 4 star starting safety wasn't as good as our walk-on starting safety. Obviously you'd rather have a defense of all 4 stars than a defense of all 3's, but most of those 4 stars were there for you last year on D, and they weren't very good.
Again the coaching and the scheme are the other factors that need to be weighed into this. Ethan Johnson is a classic 3-4 defensive end, he was playing 4-3 DT last year. Brian Smith is a 3-4 OLB, but was forced to play 4-3 MLB, where he was pretty awful. Darius Fleming is a 3-4 OLB but was forced to play DE, as was Kerry Neal. The entire secondary was a trainwreck. I don't think the experts were that wrong that they just happened to miss on all 11+ players that played significant minutes for ND last year on D and were also highly rated.
ND also had little continuity from year to year. In 2007 Corwin was coordinator and ND played a 3-4. In 2008, John Tenuta was brought in and ND played a hybrid 4-3/3-4. In 2009 Tenuta took the reins from Corwin calling D plays and ND was a 4-3. Corwin is a 3-4 guy, coached for the Jets in the NFL, and his coaching style with the DBs did not mesh with Tenutas (who basically blitzed his brains out).
Finally returning to a 3-4 (where many of the players played in HS and as FROSH) will be a breath of fresh air. As will having all four defensive coaches on the same page unlike the last few years.
missing what is driving the skepticism from Michigan fans about how smooth the ND coaching transition will be. It's not the sea change at head coach, or in the offense, where probably something can be patched together, but rather the transition at defensive coordinator. ND is going to have a tough year on defense, where wholesale coaching changes are more difficult to pull off. Michigan fans know all about that.
I think ND fans have a bit of experience when it comes to coaching changes. 3 defensive scheme changes in the past 4 years, 3 different DCs in the past 3 years and recently the 2 different wholesale staff changes you mentioned, you can easily tack willingham and davie on to that as well. ND fans are pretty well versed
Right, and your defense during these changes has been consistently terrible. Why do you expect that yet ANOTHER change will IMMEDIATELY produce results? After 2-3 years, you might very well have the #1 defense in the country, but even successful Big East coaches who have won pretty much everywhere they have been and bring talented staff members with them can struggle. See: Wolverines, Michigan circa 2008-2009.
ND's 2008 defense was not terrible, and was actually pretty good. Go read this #47
Fair enough, but I wouldn't exactly call that a great defense. It was slightly above average. They also weren't able to hold it together against teams like UNC, Pitt, and USC who actually have a pulse. They contained Hawaii pretty well, but I think a lot of people suspected Hawaii may have been overrated. Still, I'll conceed there.
Notre Dame might not be the worst defense in the country, but I'd say its less than 50% odds that they'll be dominating right out of the gate. There are simply too many question marks, and even with the enormous amounts of success Kelly and his staff have had elsewhere, transitions are transitions.
Michigan is in their third year under a coach who had previously been very successful at all of his earlier jobs. Brian Kelly from a resume point of view is Rich Rodriguez part II. Notre Dame might be more poised to make the change, and its probably less of a change in philosophy than what Michigan has undergone, but there are still so many question marks that the Irish need to address. If I'm not mistaken, 4 of your 5 offensive linemen will be new. Offensive line is a unit that needs cohesion, and complicated by the fact that they'll be learning new schemes they could conceivably be quite rusty by the Michigan game.
You have a lot of talent on your team, that's very true. But much of it is unproven, just like Michigan's team. The advantage Michigan has is that it is their third year in the system and Rodriguez is playing to save his job. Regardless of my affiliations, I think the edge clearly goes to the wolverines. It's not a slam dunk--not even close. But I'd say the odds are in Michigan's favor.
*When you have MAC caliber players playing Florida
... you would think the Domers would be a little cautious before announcing their impending domination of college football. I almost feel sorry for BK. He has yet to coach a single game and the expectations are already reaching an absurd level.
this is proof of that.
i hate to say this, but i think Rockne makes valid points.
did 5* Chad Henne play well for a freshmen? yes. did he have very good talent around him? yes.
With 5* Crist you have a 3rd year back up QB, with 3 years of experience in college, football practices, and weight training. you have a very comparable WR to Braylon Edwards in Michael Floyd, and some other very good highly recruited options at WR depth. Crist's RB is proven and very good. What I'm skeptical about is their OL situation with their seniors leaving.
Kelly will ready the quick passing game to alleviate the pressure from our strength in the front 7 and attack our weak secondary.
the questions in the secondary, special teams, and RB for Michigan have me uncertain about the outcome of this game. Michigan wins if the weak spots come to play that day.
There are so many analogies in this thread I can't keep them all straight, but none of them are all that good. Many of your similarities with Henne and Crist are legit. However, not all 5 star QB's are like Henne. Also, with the Henne situation, we were in the middle of a long run by a coach, and almost all of the players around Henne were moee talented than ND's, but more importantly had played in the same offense their entire careers. Also, Henne had a very good defense helping him out, I don't know if he would have done as well without that.
agreed. i guess the only thing that worries me is what will happen when Kelly throws out 4 and 5 wide vs our secondary and passes to set up the run?
if Michigan can somehow contain the ND passing attack and match their intensity then i think Michigan wins. if not, it could make for a long day and another nail biter in this back and forth series.
Hopefully if he decides to throw out 4 and 5 wide sets, we will find a way to consistently put pressure on the quarterback. Oh, Brandon Graham, how I miss you. Martin, Campbell, Van Bergen, and Roh just might be able to make up for him with some help from the backups.
if you mean by bringing severe penalties on them for cheating, just maybe.