Notre Dame DL Jay Hayes announces plans to grad transfer.
Can’t say I blame him. I would grad transfer to get away from BK also.
At least now he can avoid getting pancaked over and over on 9/1.
BK, when asked why he wasn't at practice: "academics".
Umm, I know Kelly is an asshat of the first order, but this goes beyond. Seriously, how does he still have any players? I mean, I get why people keep playing for Mick Dantony - they can get away with littering, if nothing else. But Kelly just told the world that one of his players couldn't hack things academically. What a complete asshole.
...littering is the one thing they don't get away with. Everything else, it's open season. But littering? Arrest them, book them, and convict them! Whether they littered or not!
Agreed on Kelly, though. What a jerk.
....but the coaching staff does get away with putting a 20-year student assistant in a 50 foot scissors lift on a windy day when winds were greater than 50 mph and having them fall to their death. Practice continued after the student fell to their death.
https://deadspin.com/5675694/prelude-to-a-tragedy-how-a-notre-dame-stud…
Even worse is that it wasn't some random gust out of the blue as some Notre Dame fans portray it as. The meterologists had been predicting dangerously high winds for a couple days in advance and the day before they had high winds too.
I still feel that story deserves more scrutiny.
Especially when you add that in to his “boys will be boys” rape defense. I used quotes because that’s almost verbatim what his actual statement was when coaching at CMU.
One day though, one day...
Seducing unmarried women either. Query: does the implicit distinction mean they can seduce married women?
Not to defend BK, but deciding to transfer is under the umbrella of academics. I’m not sure what you’d want him to say. It’s probably not appropriate to say anything else, he’s not hurt, he shouldn’t mention that he’s considering a transfer, and “I don’t know” or other options would just draw more attention. As the article said, “Academics” is a non-issue for most people as it’s common to miss practice for classes.
Or you say nothing. Coaches are really good at not answering questions they don’t want to answer.
Exactly. If you say anything it should be something along the lines of "Jay has decided to pursue opportunities elsewhere. The Notre Dame family wishes him the best of luck."
since Hays hadn't yet announced he was leaving.
Just saying he was in class would be the most tactful thing he could say, but Kelly was probably unhappy with him and saying something factually correct was as good as he could manage.
These kids are students first. Kelly was asked a question and gave the honest answer.
and you've been trolling for far too long.
What in the holy fuck are you talking about?
That got deleted
Academics could mean that the graduate program he'd like to pursue isn't offered by ND or there isn't room for him. Shame on all of you for first assuming Kelly was calling him out for grades. First, you simply don't know and second, he can't grad transfer without first having graduated.
If that's what "academics" really meant, then Kelly should have said that. Or nothing.
He knows that saying a player left for "academics" will be understood as the player was failing classes or not going to classes.
That's how you call a kid out for grades.
Which may be what he actually wanted.
How could we have possibly ever inferred something negative from a curt, ambiguous statement made by such a fine and decent purple-faced troll of a man! Shame on us indeed.
Years ago calling players out to after games. And “academics” is a frequently cited code word for players who aren’t making the grade.
That was a dumb comment and you should feel bad for writing it.
Yeah, that seems a bit unnecessary. I get that is a viable option, but it also publicly calls out a kid technically still on your team and somewhat poisons other opportunities he might pursue.
Either he is transferring due to bad grades and will have to sit a year, or he will be graduating this year and is grad transferring. It cannot be both. If he is grad transferring, that automatically means there are no problems with his grades.
Brian Kelly is misleading here. He is implying that kid not meeting academic standards, but the kid is graduating so grades no problem.
Kid texted "What???
According to this article, even though he started last year, kid had been passed on depth chart.
So transfer is probably for playing time, not academics.
Kid's text implies Kelly is not accurate, and coaches claiming he would not have started.
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/notre-dame/2018/04/07/not…
I read article again, and coaches said he was passed as started even before the transfer announcement. So clearly for playing time, Kelly just taking a cheap shot at the player.
Or, am I missing something?
ONE WORD out of BKs Mouth..not one word
He heard Mattison’s presser from earlier this week and got spooked.
That makes zero sense. How can you say a guy is transferring because he can't hack it academically when he is leaving with a degree?
....I thought the same, but one possibility is that his undergrad grades must be just good enough to graduate, but not strong enough to get into a nd graduate school program that he wanted.
His HS grades were good enough to get him in to ND. He could have gotten into any Master's program at ND had he happily stayed on the team, esp being a starter.
I'm not so sure that's true. Michigan had a basketball player several years back who graduated and had another year of eligibility left and would have stayed but was not accepted into the graduate program he wanted. It happens. Some of the graduate programs are very selective in who they accept, and no amount of athletic prowess will make up for any perceived academic shortcomings there might be.
If he were a returning player I find it hard to believe he wouldn't have been back.
Name, or it didn’t happen
the grad program he wanted didn't have room for him. That's how he ended up at OSU. Of course, he wasn't planning on staying here. That's the closest I've got.
If he was going to stay at ND for a 5th year, would he even need to apply to a graduate program? He could simply take additional undergraduate classes (or pursue a minor or dual degree) as loong as his eligibility is still good, correct? I am not certain if NCAA regulations or ND policy would require him to be a graduate student for the 5th year.
Responded the same logic without checking your post...
I'm only surprised when guys don't leave ND and BK
Is that “academics” meant he had class. The kid is graduating in May, so he must be fine in the classroom.
According to the article, Kelly said Hayes was absent from practice for "academics." That's not necessarily the same thing as "grades." The author suggests that players miss spring practice sometimes because of class time conflicts, but that wouldn't seem to explain why Hayes wasn't there at all.
He has to be accepted to the Grad School to stay, right? Maybe that was the issue?
5th year players don't have to be grad students here or any other place I've heard about. He could take fewer classes this semester and defer his graduation or take classes to work towards a second bachelor's degree.
before his 5th year, so during his final campaign he just had one class that fall semester: ballroom dancing.
Leinart has no idea where he's supposed to point his head when he's on camera and it's hilarious.
He might play a little if he came to Michigan.
Speaking of transfers, I haven't heard a thing about Casey Hughes, the DB transfer from Utah.
The Hughes transfer, and I keep forgetting about him, is still strange. Why would he transfer here knowing the stacked depth chart?
Winning a starting job here is great preparation for the NFL. It's not strange for players with NFL ambitions to have confidence in themselves. And if he can't win any of the starting jobs, he's not likely to make the NFL, but he's going to grad school at Michigan, great preparation for life after football.
He might be coming in to strictly cover slot fades as a third down nickel. Hill and Long are your starting CBs, Thomas and Watson will spell them, and Hughes will come in on obvious passing downs to cover the slot.
Seems like a better idea than watching Kinnel take horrible angles in man coverage and Metellus wiffing a tackle in the open field.
Great answers from both of you!