Chip Brown of Orangebloods is reporting Notre Dame is in talks to move their Olympic sports from the Big East to the Big 12 along with scheduling 3-6 football games against the Big 12 per year.
http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1377426
I hope this happens. Their new conference rivals in closest proximity: Iowa State and West Virginia. Good job Irish.
this is semi topic, but
Absolutely they should, it
Absolutely they should, it seems stupid they do not. ND-MSU should play every year as well, for the same reasons.
It would help both schools by having a guaranteed big-name non-conference game every year. Indiana has Kentucky, Cincy-Xavier, etc. etc.
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Part of the deal is that with
Part of the deal is that with football Notre Dame is independent, so they don't have a conference schedule. You could kind of say Michigan is part of their "conference schedule," as is MSU and USC as well as others.
In basketball, however, they are a part of the Big East and, therefore, have their own conference schedule. Even though it's highly possible for ND & UM to play every year due to the non-conference schedule being decently large, it's still not quite the same situation as football. If they played all of their annual football nemeses in basketball every year, they'd only have maybe 5 interchangeable non-conference games on a given year.
non conference games like
non conference games like these are quickly becoming a thing of the past, see indiana no longer has kentucky for instance.
ND Basketball is not Notre Dame football
Do we play any other ND team every year other than football (not counting hockey due to both being in CCHA)?
Your right...
ND basketball has been much better than ND football lately.
So has hockey
So has hockey
How many times have you been on the freeway and had someone fly by you at 100 mph then end up 2 cars ahead of you at the off ramp? What's the point? -Mark Harmon
You're right, ND basketball
You're right, ND basketball might actually be better than ND football. *Edit* SamIam beat me to it. Just seems strange we are rivals, but basically only in football.
“When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing” - Bo Schembechler
vs. ND
in 2011-2012 we played ND in: baseball twice (1-1), beat them by 1 place in the Great Lakes Regional in Men's Cross Country (1-0), beat them in Football (1-0), Ice Hockey (3-1), M Soccer (0-1 OT), M Swimming (1-0), M Tennis L 3-4 (0-1), W Golf L at ND Tourney (0-1), Softball W (1-0), W Swimming (1-0), W Tennis (1-0), Water Polo W 20-4 (1-0)....
So.... we do play them often in a lot of olympic sports... by my rough estimates (I'm sure I'm missing some), and we went 11-5 head-to-head. I would like to see more basketball series, though. Hopefully a rivalry can be born in lacrosse, because ND has some solid teams in both men's and women's.
It's not a yearly thing, but
It's not a yearly thing, but we have sometimes played ND in basketball. We played them a few times in the Amaker years. And of course, ND was the opponent in 1992 when the Fab Five started together for the first time.
back in the day
UM played ND at the Silverdome
and I agree they should play more often.
How I feel about this..
On the fifth night—possibly the sixth—a breeze arose.
It was cool and dewy.
Underrated
Underrated
Man ball. Formerly, somebody else.
You might want to change the
You might want to change the title to say something about Olympic sports only. As it is right now, it's a bit misleading. I assumed this was about football.
Football is part of this in a way
ND would still be independent by name, but the talks include playing 3-6 football games per year against Big 12 opponents. That is 25-50% of a schedule.
Makes Sense
Makes sense in a way. If a four team playoff evolves and it doesn't involve polls, it likely means that the SEC, PAC, B12, and B1G send their champions. The ACC and Big East get frozen out (with some teams like FSU defecting to the B12 to get in).
So Olympic sports to the B12 makes sense as it opens up some contact and keeps the door open. If nothing else I'm sure ND is talking about it just so they can maintain some contacts there.
Does anybody really care who
Does anybody really care who ND plays their non-football sports against? Seems like a major non-issue to me.
3-6 football games per year is not insignificant
If the report is accurate, ND could wind up playing half their football schedule against the Big 12.
Again - not a real big deal.
Again - not a real big deal. If they ever play Oklahoma and Texas in the same year I'll care, but chances are they never will, so replacing Pitt, Syracuse and Rutgers with Iowa State, Kansas and Texas Tech still isn't much of a story. I'm sure most of those seasons will be closer to the 3 than to the 6 anyway. I highly doubt ND has a season where they'll play UM, MSU, USC, Texas and Oklahoma. If they do, however, I'll love that season.
Yes, they're just moving
Yes, they're just moving across town. They're not moving uptown. They are trading their current Big East arrangement for the same thing, but with the Big 12 instead. They will not schedule Texas/Oklahoma/(Florida State) every year.
It's kind of dumb on their part. They sign up for potentially getting beat up by some Big 12 teams, yet they remain ineligible for the Big 12 championship,
Now that the 4 team playoff looks like it will include at-large teams, Notre Dame is in the best position it has been in a long time. An undefeated or 1-loss Notre Dame team, even against crappy competition, is always going to be seriously considered. It's not fair, but that's how it is, selection committee or not.
They are jeopardizing that by walking away from their Big East cupcakes.
M'Dog
I love this.They are the
I love this.They are the special team, and therefore NEEDS to stay independent in order to generate a National audiance. How is playing in the south and away from the East coast going to do that? Additionally, does any school care less about all non-football sports than ND. i feel bad for them. They are moving from a conference that made some sense for them (East Coast) to a conference where lacrosse and wrestling have to play in the Big whatever. The only sport that seems to win is baseball. All for preserving the Golden Dome.
*This hasn't happened yet, but I feel this will happen...too much smoke
Can someone please tell me
Can someone please tell me what if any real benefit comes from being an independent?
1) Pride.
2) They don't have
1) Pride.
2) They don't have to split the NBC TV money with anyone. Several years ago this was the number one reason but now, splitting BTN money seems better
3) Pride
4) They don't take have to take shit from anybody, they do what they want.
“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.” - Woody
The continued illusion (and
The continued illusion (and delusion) of relevance.
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Power
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You get to have your own TV
You get to have your own TV contract that isn't split between your conference peers as well as not splitting and bowl/bcs money between your conference peers.
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I may not be a 70 year old man. - Herm
As a benefit to the
As a benefit to the conferences, when it comes time for Notre Dame's annual woodshedding in whatever bowl they manage to fall ass-backwards into, it doesn't bring shame upon any conference. It's a win-win, really.
ITS PART OF OUR IDENTITY YOU WOULDNT UNDERSTAND
/NDNation'd
Denard's 2010 was spent redefining what one man can do.
They like to think they're
They like to think they're somehow special since it's been so long since they've actually been good.
To hell with Notre Dame. They
To hell with Notre Dame. They should go join the MAC or something.
Agreed
Fuck ND and their holy-than-thou attitude and delusional fans... other than their good academic reputation, EVERYTHING about that institution annoys me.
Notre Dame needs to shit or
Notre Dame needs to shit or get off the pot.
Cherry picking
ND has been able to use their independent status to cherry-pick an advantageous schedule for years now. Any conference that wants them should simply stop allowing its teams to schedule them unless they don't join. This couldn't be officially done, of course, but it could be "backroomed" or it could be a "strong recommendation."
All the Big 12 is doing here, if they actually do it, is allowing ND to do exactly what they have been doing all along: gaming the system to their own benefit. What's really sad for the is that, even with all of their cherry-picking, they haven't been able to get to their state goal of a National Championship since 1988.
If Notre Dame had been a truly elite program, it could have won at least three National Championships since then, simply on having a schedule that fools computers and pollsters, but is really easy if the team is good enough.
@ Michigan, MSU, USC, and @
@ Michigan, MSU, USC, and @ Stanford doesn't seem that easy to me
“When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing” - Bo Schembechler
It just happens that Stanford
It just happens that Stanford and MSU have good squads lately, but for most of the time ND has been playing them, they weren't. And honestly, they probably won't be top-25 teams for much longer.
Look back 10-15 years ago and
Look back 10-15 years ago and msu and Stanford were not great. They had 2 really difficult games, then a bunch of cup cakes.
Touchdown Manningham! MICHIGAN WINS!
I agree with your post, but
I agree with your post, but you don't have to look back that far. Looking back 3 years will do the trick.
Notre dames strength of
Notre dame's strength of schedule was higher than ours in each of the last 3 years
ND's schedule is artificially
ND's schedule is artificially inflated by not playing any of the true cupcakes like we do. On paper, teams like BC and Wake Forest look much stronger than WMU or UMass, but in reality they are all essentially auto-win games for a good team.
If you played 2011 Penn State 12 times a season, you'd have the highest SOS in the country by far, without playing any elite teams, but Michigan would still probably go 10-2.
Like we said above, MSU and Stanford had abnormally strong seasons the last few years. If Oklahoma State or Baylor was a permanent team on your schedule, the last few seasons don't accurately show your long term SOS.
Ok but what elite teams have
Ok but what elite teams have we played in the last 3 years? I would argue that we played none last year while nd played USC and Stanford who ended the year ranked 6 and 7. In 2010 i would say ohio but nd played a 12-1 stanford team that was also elite. They have played as many elite teams as we have the last 10 years. Also games against mediocre teams are not auto wins even if you are good, just look at iowa last year.
As far as your last point goes i'm not really buying it. Its not like they have played awful schedules every year until MSU and Stanford were good the last few years. They were playing very very good USC teams every year as well as florida state. also tennessee for a couple years. They had top ten strength of schedules in 04 and 05 and were close to top ten in 06.
I understand they play a lot of mediocre teams and I'm not saying they have these really hard schedules every year but I think they play consistently tougher schedules than most people give them credit for.
Agree to disagree then. I
Agree to disagree then. I agree that when Stanford is good, it makes their schdule stronger, but usually Stanford is one of their gimmes. And although we haven't had as many USC-level elite games, we have more tough, loseable games every year than they have. Teams like Iowa, Nebraska, MSU, ND, OSU and occasionally other Big Ten teams (or other tough OOC games like Alabama or our upcoming Pac-12 games) are all tough, loseable games for us.
Nearly every year, about half of our games are games that most good teams could lose. ND, OTOH, usually has 2-4 tough games, and the rest are teams like Navy and Purdue.
Nearly every year, about half
Nearly every year, about half of our games are games that most good teams could lose.
BS.
ND, OTOH, usually has 2-4 tough games, and the rest are teams like Navy and Purdue.
You mean, we don't play Purdue as well? Your logic doesn't work here.
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I may not be a 70 year old man. - Herm
You think that first
You think that first statement is BS? I just listed ND, MSU, Nebraska, Iowa, OSU, and most seasons we play Wisconsin, PSU or another tough OOC game (like Alabama in 2012). Those are all games that a good team could lose, especially since half are away, on average.
Yes, we sometimes play Purdue (ND plays them every year, we play them 40% of the time). I count them in our easy games. The difference, is that instead of 6 Purdue-type games like we have, ND usually has 8-9 of those.
By the way, there's nothing I
By the way, there's nothing I like more than the internet guy who says, "you're wrong" but doesn't say why. BOLD, sir.
Looking at ND's 2010 and 2011 schedule, ND had USC, UM, MSU and Stanford, and a bunch of Purdues. Yeah, they had that pre-meltdown Utah team in there, and Pitt who is probably better than Purdue but still not good.
Think of a season where our OOC is ND and three nobodies, and our Big Ten schedule was MSU, OSU, Nebraska, and then 5 games against Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Minnesota and Northwestern. This couldn't happen with Iowa in our division, but you get the point. This type of thing happens to us sometimes, but we talk about it like it's an unusually easy schedule. This is ND almost every year.
Yah because Navy hasn't been
Yah because Navy hasn't been good the last few years.
Besides that, ND, USC and UCLA are the only teams who have not played FCS teams. How'd Appalachian St. work out for ya? Do not lecture about tough schedules because for every Air Force on ours there is an.....Heh look, Air Force on yours! Lets not forget the directional Michigan Championship, have you ever played East, West, MSU, Northern Michigan Poly in the same year?
Lets look at last year. Eastern, Western, SDSU, Purdue, Illinois, Minnesota. And I am not including Nebraska (I don't think they are a decent team anymore).
I won't go so far as to say that either schedule is better than the next, but seriously. Stop with the cupcake BS.
Navy hasn't been good.
You guys have just sucked.
Yep, that's Simba made out of a pineapple.
Notre Dame will lose 6 games
Notre Dame will lose 6 games this year, fire their coach, and hire a WAC coach to return them to greatness. Notre Dame should have joined a conference when they could have dictated money. Now they have no choice but to sleep with Tom Hammond and his enormous head.
Would you say that Nebraska...
Would you say that Nebraska is the Notre Dame of the B1G then?
Well, it's because they had
Well, it's because they had to play Michigan.
2011 Nebraska State Champ "We're Michigan." @tannerwooten not that funny, though.
they also play oklahoma this
they also play oklahoma this year
this is semi topic, but doesn't it seem strange we play ND every year in football, but never in basketball. It seems like that would be a very even matched game year in and year out.
“When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing” - Bo Schembechler