The backlash following the OTL report was too much, Rutgers AD with a win/win - firing an abusive coach who has had three consecutive losing seasons. Will there be more people tha fall because of this, as Lupica suggests?
Not OT next season - Rutgers fires Mike Rice
He is a stain on the world of college athletics. Next to go should be the AD that only suspended him for 3 games.
That is a manager's job, but I think something should have happened to Rice sooner. I don't think this abuse started this year, and Rice probably should have been fired a while ago. The AD did what should have been done, but he seems to have been slow on the trigger.
Kinda sounds nice when you frame it like that, huh?
I guess it's preferable to saying "Welp, he was my first big hire, my ego is huge, and I need him to win."
audio for that interview, that sounds like it'd be interesting to hear his defense. Is it more him trying to cover his own ass or is he genuine in it? I appreciate that the AD tried to rehab the employee, as you are correct managers should attempt to do so, but some actions so far cross the line that an immediate termination should be one of them. Rice's actions were way across the line. Also, this wasn't an instance where there was disputing accounts of what happened (which might've caused hesitation over whether or not to fire Rice), there was clear video evidence of his transgressions. Rice should've been shown the door months ago. The AD comes across to me as having not done enough back when this first came to his attention, putting the program's coach above the players and the institution, similar to what we saw in Happy Valley.
Agreed. If it was verbal abuse only, that's something where I think a short suspension and counseling is appropriate. And I agree with the AD that the punishment was more severe than given credit (3 games = 3 weeks cut off from program, $50k fine PLUS lost pay, counseling and monitoring of program).
But this was repeated physical abuse (chucking basketballs at players, shoving, and kicking). Anybody who doesn't know that that is way over the line in this day and age lacks the judgement to be in charge of 18 yr olds. It's not like this was a guy that blew his fuse once and laid hands on a guy. This was repeated and systematic.
my next question would be: so did Rice stop doing that? Did you follow up to see that everything was ok with players?
I mean, Rice was obviously fired only because ESPN got hold of the tape and it went public. If ESPN didn't, would the AD have been happy to turn a blind eye and allow him to continue abusing players knowing that they had their CYA firmly in place? This isn't terribly different than what happened at Penn State. Things happened, some minor response was taken, and then what? The offender was allowed to go back to normal. Not an appropriate response in my opinion (Obviously child molestation is a bit different than abusing college kids but the point remains)
Wait, what evidence is there that the coach continued this action after his suspension? This is a serious question, as I was under the assumption that all the video was from prior.
What if he has not done anything since. What if he did turn a new leaf?
I still think he needs to go, but I think your argument is that by not firing him you are allowing him to continue his actions, which is not necessarily guaranteed to happen.
I was just asking if the AD had followed up on his early actions, like did he make sure the problem was resolved? Or did he turn a blind eye knowing he had covered his behind.
You asked if there was evidence he continued, but I haven't seen any evidence that he didn't. Maybe I haven't read enough quotes or articles, but I haven't seen the AD say "After the dsicipline, we followed up and made sure that the problem was resolved"
Pretty sure the AD did say that, or at least that they've been closely monitoring the program to ensure the coach was behaving.
Now obviously you wouldn't expect him to say anything else, but it's the only evidence provided on either side t this point.
Why aren't people talking criminal charges? Honestly. Would anyone permit any other university employee from hitting them? Imagine a professor hitting someone for giving a wrong answer.
The AD and the President saw the same video that we all saw. Can we agree that the only reason Rice ended up getting fired is because the public and media are in an uproar? This guy would still be the coach if that video never went public. The AD and President need to go just due to the fact that they, without the help of public outcry, were willing to allow Rice to continue to coach at their school after viewing the video that we all saw. I could never trust those two to make important decisions for my University if they were willing to allow Rice to continue as coach.
the firing considering Rutgers pending move to the B1G, we don't want that crap in our conference and I am sure he probably went straight to the top without bothering with the AD. The AD showed some poor judgement in this one and seems like a knucklehead.
Wasn't he previously punished for this? It seems like the AD should be fired as well for not firing the coach sooner and only doing so after the pressure from the media overcame him.
I disagree about firing the AD, but the big story for me is that AD seeing this video and I'm sure even more than OTL has, making the decision to suspend/fine/try to fix the guys attitude, initially stand by him when OTL released the video, and then folding to the media pressure and firing him. Very poorly managed on so many levels and certainly isn't what an incoming coach wants to see from the current leadership....but overall he was fired and I believe that was the right thing to do. Would have been nice if OTL did this while coaches were still available and before everyone committed to stay put after Minni asked em tho lol
File this under "Obvious."
OT: I know this is the Internet and all, but I am always surprised by people in general jumping to the "X should be fired" outrage - in reference to the University President, not the coach. Do people just not realize that a University president has little to no daily interaction with any coach? In fact, the Rutgers President probably met the basketball coach on just a few occasions.
The link's author says "Fire the President" which is about the lowest common denominator thing to write. DAMN THE MAN FIRE THEM ALL. Please. As soon as someone starts yelling "Fire him." I want to say "What if you were judged by the angry mob?"
This is in no way a defense of the coach, who clearly crossed about every line he could in "coaching." He was a disgrace to the game and needed to go. But saying anyone else should be fired, including the AD or the President, especially, is just being an angry mob member reacting with little evidence.
whether to fire the AD or not.
See if he weighs the same as a duck. Logic can over come an angry mob.
Plus, he turned me into a newt.
Haha unfortunately Rutgers will still be terrible next year. If you want to be that kind of coach, you at least have to win and then MAYBE you'll get a pass.
The writing in that article was atrocious....and I'm not even an english amjor or grammar nazi.
Let's lock that in for posterity
actually surprisingly very similar to the real video.
+100 that is awesome! LSUfreek delivers again!
Give you a 10 on this post, i would. Good find my friend.
''Now you're all in big trouble!!''
Agreed the AD should go as well. Not firing him last fall - wrong. Hedging for a day when the video became public yesterday - wrong. He should be shown the door...
Do you really know enough about the situation to make that statement?
I know what my eyes showed me. The video tape didn't lie. There is no place for physical assault in college coaching. Yes, it is assault. Go to a mall and yell obscenities at strangers and throw stuff at their heads. See where you end up.
Change the scenario... If this was a high school basketball practice, the guy is fired immediately. The parents show up with pitch forks. The sheriffs show up with handcuffs - assaulting a minor - yeah some kids parents would go there. How dare he do that to "kids"?!?
Scenario B... If this was a pro basketball practice, the guy is fired immediately. Because A) Kobe tells the GM to fire him or B) Sprewell chokes the shit out of him. There is no way a GM lets that fly. You have to keep your prima donnas happy. Seriously as a coach would you throw a ball at Ron Artest's head? No. Why? Because that dude is crazy and you'd probably get your ass kicked.
So, it doesn't fly in high school or the pros (for albeit different reasons), but its a small infraction (3 games and counseling) in college where the kids look more like adults, but are still really are kids and won't fight back.
The AD basically said "oops my bad" in not firing him in the first place. "oops my bad" doesn't cut it when it comes to the safety of "kids" - just ask Penn State.
For fuck's sake don't compare this to the Penn State situation. That's a slap in the face to those victims.
You make a lot of arguments for firing the coach. Which happened, by the way.
I see an AD that took action and tried to rectify a person. I would have took more severe action, but the only evidence I have is the rightfully damning video. I don't know any other sides of the story or testimony from players, etc. I'm not saying that stuff forgives the video, but it might be a reason as to why an AD decides to try to take rehabilitating action instead of immediately terminating. We may never know if the AD's plan of action would have worked. Maybe it did since December.
My point is, he took some action. Maybe it wasn't extreme enough - however ADs are under a lot of pressure to keep their money making teams steady. Had he taken no action and truly swept it under the rug, then sure, fire him too. But it's not like he ignored the situation.
You're kidding, right? The guy fired the coach only after OTL aired the footage. The timing tells you everything. A coach who abused kids, verbally and physically, doesn't deserve counseling. He deserves to be fired. Some things are just over the line. And, according to all indications, the guy was doing it for years. The AD should be fired, too. His crocodile tears are bullshit.
Where's the slap in the face to the PSU victims?
I was sickened by the Penn State scandal. But there were multiple dimensions to it, including the institutional control issue, and cover up by the AD and the president who clearly prioritized other issues above kids' safety. It sure looks to me like the Rutgers AD and president have done the same thing.
The AD needs to be fired today. And the president should be explaining right now why he should keep his job.
"Hedging for a day when the video became public yesterday - wrong."
I don't see what this has to do with anything. Whether it was publicly or privately released, it shouldn't have changed his actions. The guy deserved to be fired (or not), regardless of whether just a few people knew about it or millions of people knew about it.
He was defending his choice to retain Rice with the actions he took in the fall for a day. Then the heat got a little hot as the media exposure swelled. He only fired him because 99.9% of people with common sense thought he should be fired. He only backed down on his stance when it became public. This shows the AD is 1) indecisive 2) has a poor moral compass 3) spineless and wouldn't stand behind his decision etc...
The AD is a position of leadership, and he has displayed none of the qualities I demand from people in those positions.
worry Mike, you can always get hired to coach..... well, nowhere, ever again now that I think about it.
That must have been worth it.
Way to make the correct decision after the coverup and spin control fails.
but let's say he saw the same video we did. Is anyone thinking this behavior could be fixed with sitting two games (was he barred from practices before those games?) and the amount of anger management that could take place during that timeframe? It seems like he erred on the side of the coach, at least from what I've heard, and that's just not ever the right decision in a case involving abuse.
I would feel differently if he had suspended him for the rest of the season while having counseling sessions or sent him to an anger management facility for a month or however long the most intensive programs are.
According to the AD, his suspension included all team activities. And supposedly the counseling/monitoring was ongoing.
The issue to me was that this didn't look like a guy "losing his temper" - this just looked like a bully who saw nothing wrong with his actions. I don't think any single incident on the video would necessarily warrant an immediate firing, assuming the guy handles his suspension well, but the repeated nature of the offense merits canning, I think.
You see a caoch with a temper? I see a psychopath that needs serious help, and I fear for his family. Anyone that can act like that coaching a freaking game, has some serious issues that an anger management course just won't fix.
Cover up - they knew about these videos back when he was suspended and tried to hide the reason for his suspension until the videos came out. Spin control - once the videos came out they initially tried to defend the decision to keep him instead of firing him. It was only after 24 hours of outrage made it clear what they should have done in the first place did they actually do it. It shouldn't take a national media flogging to make the AD say "Maybe we shouldn't keep a coach that throws basketballs at players heads."
But I also didn't see anything that said his attempt to help his coach fix his behavior didn't work. Yesterday afternoon he was saying that he'd seen all the video, taken action, and that if something new came up would take more action. What new came up in the last 12 hours aside from the politicians getting involved? He hasn't even been coaching for the last few weeks. If the AD was doing his job monitoring the situation, there should have been nothing new since the season ended. And likely there wasn't anything new, other than political pressure to make a different decision than he made the first time.
I'm not sure the AD deserves to lose his job, but if Rice is able to get his full severance since nothing new happened since Decemeber when he was first punished, I would change my opinion.
Unless you have some other source, it seems you are taking the AD's explanation---trying to rehabilitate him--as gospel. It may be true; but given time and motive, his explanation is at least as likely self-serving spin. If he truly believed his rehabilitation plan was appropriate and working (if it was I assume he would have said so), then he should stand by Rice now. Since he isn't, then I'd suggest the decision to fire occurred only because the video came to light and/or to protect himself. Also, while we don't know all the facts, the decision to fire the "whistleblower" Eric Murdock doesn't help his cause.
This was the only choice they could've made. There is no way he was going to be able to recruit players with this out in the public.
I wonder if Tubby would've preferred this job over being in Lubbuck, TX
Maybe they can get Ben Howland who was at Pitt and knows the area?
I grew up in Indiana and played ball. Every coach there thought he was the next Bobby Knight. Tirades, cursing were common place, but I never had a coach act like that. That type of behavior that this coach exhibited is borderline psychopath behavior. I am surprised the players didn't kick this dudes ass. There is absolutely no place for that behavior anywhere, and he should have been fired a long time ago. You can't rehabilitate crazy.
Coaches LOVE their players. You spend so much time around your guys that they are your family. Yes, people lose their tempers from time to time...but if you find yourself doing it OVER AND OVER AND OVER again, this isn't a temper problem. This is a YOU problem.
Bobby Knight's guys loved him. They stuck up for him and talked about how the tantrums were about one percent of who he was.
That video doesn't show a guy who has a temper problem...that shows a guy who is a crazy person.
Coaches will yell and cuss sometimes because they want to get more out of you. You're going at 90 percent and they want you to be at 100 percent. Think of Al Pacino's speech in "Any Given Sunday" about it coming down to an inch here and an inch there. The difference in who gets that inch is the difference in who wants it the most.
That's not what Rice is doing in that video. That's a guy who has no ability to cope with his environment.
College athletics, the only place you can get fired not because you abuse your subordinates, but because a video highlighting it leaks.
Pernetti is scum. Fuck him.
The athletic director absolutely deserves to be fired. He sat on this video tape for years, basically gambling that it would never become public. He's only "doing the right thing" now because the tape became public.
Anyone who only does the right thing when they are forced to because the evidence becomes public isn't the right person for the job. C'mon, how the hell can you watch that video and think that you're going to fix the problem with a short suspension and some anger management classes? Maybe if you had some super-long-term coach with a stellar record and you had a single isolated incident I could see that approach. But you have a short term coach and video evidence that he has been physically and verbally abusive over pretty much his ENTIRE coaching term.
And that doesn't even get into the fact that he fired (sorry, "didn't renew the contract of") the assistant coach who came to him and told him that coach was a psycho. As usual, retaliating against the whistleblower.
The athletic director has no integrity. Not only should he be fired, but I don't think he should ever work again as an AD. It's time for him to find a new line of work. One where he doesn't have to actually make any tough decisions, because he is obviously terrible at them.
Look I'm not defending the coach here. But remember that the video we have seen was a compilation of video from over a course of several years, I believe.
Action was taken in December, but are we sure of what info the AD had at that time? Perhaps the AD has been monitoring practices since then. Perhaps there actually was new information that came out (players feeling they could talk now, former assistant coaches, managers, etc).
Sure there wasn't any new tape between 24 hours ago and the guys firing. However, there could have been plenty of new evidence for all we know.
How about we don't jump to conclusions like "The athletic director as no integrity" when, in fact, we know about 12% of the details of this.
AD has said he had all the video tape at that time. Rutgers tapes all of their practices.
Who cares that the tape was a "compilation"? How many times do you need to see the guy whipping balls at players heads or kicking them to understand that he needs to be fired? I would get it if this happened ONCE in some moment that the guy snapped. But clearly this was happening over and over and OVER again. The coach has some serious problems.
Anyway, it isn't the coach that needs defending because his behavior was pretty much indefensible and his firing was inevitable once that behavior was taped. The person needing defending is the AD, because it is whether he keeps his job or not that should be what is being discussed now.
As for jumping to conclusions, anyone who watched that video tape, didn't fire the coach, fired the assistant coach who brought the actions of the coach to his attention, and then has the audacity to go on ESPN yesterday and DEFEND the coach the way Pernetti did has no integrity. You are free to disagree with me on this point, but people like Tom Pernetti are the reason that assholes like Mike Rice are able to get away with the crap they get away with for as long as they do. He's an enabler. In fact, Pernetti's thinking is EXACTLY the kind of thinking that led to the entire mess that Penn State ended up in. Don't protect your players, don't protect kids, but go out of your way to protect the abusive adult in the position of power.
And if you really believe there has been new evidence since yesterday, I have a bridge to sell you. The new evidence is "Oh shit, ESPN just showed the whole world our psycho coach assaulting our players. Quick, fire him for damange control!" Believing anything else is just naive.
My point is that we don't know all the facts. Like I've said in every post, the coach deserved to be fired. It was sickening for several different reasons.
We don't know all the facts behind the ADs actions. My argument - likely a futile one on the Internet - is that crying "fire him" with not all the information is lame. Sure we can surmise he was fired at this time for damage control and that is 99% likely true. No I don't believe there was new evidence in the last 36 hours. I do believe, however, that what was an AD decision became much more involved: I'm sure regents (or the Rutgers equivalent), the President, and others got involved and basically told the AD what to do.
I'm just sick of the "FIRE HIM" from everyone from the Internet to radio shows. In Ann Arbor, people are calling for the AAPS superintendent to be fired because she goes and visits family in Baltimore on weekends. And enough loud minority members are actually bringing action - now AnnArbor.com has made it their main business to cover every non-story about the issue to incite the natives.
It's just old hat. Let the University of Rutgers decide what to do with their institution's employees. They are the ones who are invested in the decision, not us.
Let the B$G set some baseline expectations for institutional control to protect "student athletes."
Appparently he was in on the decision to keep the coach as well. I have no idea if there is ANYONE at Rutgers with any amount of sense.
Look, I'm not big into torch and pitchfork mob mentality stuff. But I'm sick of good-ol boys club "Let's just sweep all the crap under the rug and pretend it never happened" bullshit. Look at how long the abuse went on in the Catholic Church because no one was willing to step up to the plate and speak out about what was going on? I realize this doesn't nearly come up to that level, but this culture of superiors having OBIVIOUS evidence of their employees abusing kids and trying to sweep it under the rug has to end. At some point the light has to kick on in people's heads and they have to realize "This stuff can't happen". If you know someone you are employing is abusing kids your job is to PROTECT THE KIDS. And if you decide protecting the kids isn't important, then maybe your job isn't very important either.
There are precious few subjects on this or any blog site where anyone has "all the facts". Geezus, at best we're sports fans. That hasn't stopped us in the past and won't in the future from opining based upon the facts that are known at the time---and, based upon your mgopoints, I'd suggest it applies as well to you.
For me, this is the worst part. The guy who brought all this to the attention of the upper administrators loses his fucking job, while the people responsible for making a decision tried to apply a thin salve of "anger management" to an obvious sociopath.
The abuse that the Rutgers players endured is obviously not even in the same parsec as the abuse suffered by the victims at Penn State, but it's still ironic that most sensible people bemoan the absence of enough whistle-blowing in Unhappy Valley, while this poor schmuck at Rutgers who tried to do the right thing gets screwed.
People are constantly asking "why didn't anyone do anything"? yet whenever anyone DOES do anything they ALWAYS get screwed, and no one ever tries to protect them.
Basically if you are going to blow the whistle, you have to pretty much expect that you are going to lose your job and probably your career. But hey, at least you did the right thing, right?
That's why I say this AD has no integrity. Not only did he keep his abusive coach, but he made sure the whistleblower was put out to pasture. I guess he was planning on that guy just quietly going away, which ended up being his big mistake. I suspect if the whistleblower hadn't been an ex-NBA player with financial resources at his disposal he probably WOULD have just gone away.
You are GD right Jamie. It is a damn shame that in all aspects of society whistleblowers get completely screwed. These are the people who are protecting the integrity of the institution, business, gov... Whistleblowers should be promoted, praised and protected, not treated like Bradley Manning, Aaron Schwartz and this assistant coach. It is a damn shame, but this is the sick world we live in.
I didn't see the video until a few minutes ago. That is the craziest stuff I have ever seen. The AD should have intervened sooner and the other coaches should have done something too. They should all go along with the university president.
Why should the University President go, exactly?
According to what I read on SI.com on this, the AD ran the punishment and incident by the Pres, who signed off on the suspension. So that's why there are some calling for the university president's head too, because they knew of the situation and thought that just a suspension would be okay.
And now the president contradicts what Pernetti said:
There appears to be a significant contradiction between the Rutgers presdient and AD Tim Pernetti. A quick post: nj.com/rutgersbasketb…
— Steve Politi (@StevePoliti) April 3, 2013
Confirmation from President Barchi's office: He did not review the Rice video until yesterday. Waiting for an explanation from Pernetti.
— Steve Politi (@StevePoliti) April 3, 2013
So if this means Pernetti lied to the media, it's really not looking good for him
This is the type of "more details" I'm talking about. If Parnetti lied to the President, then I'm much more ready to say "get rid of him."
but these are more details that kind of point towards the "Athletic Director has no integrity whatsoever and should be fired" side of things. So in this case, waiting for more details just proves that the public outrage is pretty much spot on, assuming the University President is telling the truth.
just typing that response. The president knew about it. Too many times in society the lower level person/employee takes the fall for the powerful upper level employee. Rice's actions were the worst part of this but a close second was the inaction by others around the situation with the power to actually do something.
But if the president signed off on a physically abusive and openly homophobic professor receiving three weeks off from teaching classes and anger management counseling which then turned into a national embarrassment when NBC aired the tapes (as they did last night) on primetime network news, would that be a different story?
Again, I don't think the president should go, but he definitely screwed up here. I think whatever board is in place at Rutgers needs to issue a letter of reprimand or instruction or something to inform the president that more oversight is needed when it comes to abuse of students on his campus, at the least.
Edit: With the new story posted, the president shouldn't have any negative consequences, at least in public (if he's being truthful) but he needs to have the AD packing by the end of business today, no question whatsoever.
I've never really understood this "governing by fear" style of coaching. I questioned it when hewhoshallnotbenamed was stalking the sidelines. I question it when I see Brian Kelly, Bo Pellini, or Tom Izzo fit like spoiled children on the bench(and often spilling out on the floor). It's called self-control fellas.
I am so glad we have the anti-Rice on our sidelines. I mean, you go up and miss a breakaway dunk that would have won the game against Savannah State...Are you going to perform better when you return to this in the huddle...
Telling you you ruined everything for everybody? And then telling the media the exact same thing? Or would you perform better returning to this guy
Telling you you've got them exactly where you want them. The second option seemed to work better for Novak, as he promptly went out and nailed the three that buried them.
that abusing him would be better?
Jordan Morgan is not responding well to being benched. Screaming at him on top of that wouldn't help.
How many players in history have "responded well" to going from being a starter playing 20-30 minutes a game to getting 5 minutes a game at most? That's a pretty tough thing to "respond well" to.
Beilein sitting on the bench, calm as can be, when all the bench players are in the air jumping for joy after a huge basket. Not too high, not to low - perspective
Izzo has 6 Final Fours, a national championship, and more than a few Big Ten titles. I think it is safe to say that he gets his players to perform.
minds, that screaming can work for a while. But sooner or later you've got to modify your style. Otherwise you really hurt your OWN body. And Izzo has done that.
In the last 6 years, he's had four 5* players and ten 4* players...they should be making the damned final four every year. If he was self-actualizing those players, do you think there'd be more than a glorified mascot playing in the nba from those loaded teams?
Just five years ago, a Rutgers University basketball coach was bringing positive national attention and pride to that university and establishing what should have been the ground rules for how athletes at Rutgers and at all universities deserve to be treated.
In all of this, I'd be shocked if the AD doesn't lose his job, too. He needs to go, too. The B1G has probably had enough in the way of cover-ups.
There are a LOT of compensatory male types, when issues like this arise, who feel compelled to try to prove they have a dick by calling the players involved p*ssies. This is a tired trope; this is a thing.
But abuse is abuse, and since we have visual evidence of the ugly here, people can decide for themselves. And anyone who can seriously look at the evidence in that video and say they would want it inflicted on a son or daughter, well. . . they're not in my camp. And--fortunately--not in the camp of the Rutgers admin, either.
I agree with others here who believe the AD should be fired. It's not a close call and I usually believe in giving people second and third chances. In this case, the coach's behavior was so egregiously and routinely over the line that he should have been immediately fired. For an AD to issue such a light punishment for this physically and verbally abusive behavior is proof of massive incompetence and/or a massive ethical flaw.
This case is also even more proof that the current system's balance of power unfairly deprives student-athletes of basic rights and exploits them. It's another example of the NCAA's fundamental corruption. Rice's actions are inherently immoral and even criminal and yet the NCAA has no policy preventing him from coaching again and will probably level no sanctions against the Rutgers program. On the other hand, when a player (Webber for instance) takes a gift legally from a friend, the NCAA comes down harshly against the player and program. On a moral scale, Webber's actions are nowhere nearly as unethical or serious as Rice's yet are treated far more severely.
In the Rice case, the fired whistle blower/former assistant should sue and the abused players should sue. Again, I'm usually not in favor of litigation but the coach's actions were malicious and the AD's inaction was grossly unethical.
I heard they are re-casting the governor's character on the walking dead and Rice just sent his audition tape for the part.
Eric Murdock was allegedly fired for bringing the Rutgers AD the video, the same explosive one that after watching it again after it become public, the AD decided was grounds enough to fire Mike Rice. Murdock's contract wasn't renewed because of this, and my guess is that he was the source that provided the video to ESPN, leading to the backlash. This tells me that the AD thought he could keep this all under wraps by
a. firing the messenger
b. thinking that no one would see it
He thought it would all just never come out.
The real question is, why the hell was he so desperate to go to bat for this psycho coach that doesn't even seem to really be any good? Just fire the guy and move on.
be wearing or carrying a small video camera recording everything that they see, do, or is done to them. The implications for society and human culture will be significant. The Mike Rices of the world will find it much harder to do what they do for as long as they can do now.
We'll all be living in the universal surveillance state. You won't be able to pick your nose on the Diag without somebody recording it.
It is amazing how much our sensitivities have changed in the past 35 years or so. The sort of behavior Rice exhibits as a coach, while perhaps not the norm back then, would not have been thought of as all that unusual. Today, it's a firing offense.
I keep hearing this but I disagree. I don't think it has ever been acceptable for basketball coaches to just whip basketballs at their player's heads indiscriminantly. Not sure the kicking would have been kosher either. Yeah the language would have been tolerated 35 years ago. That's about it.
Maybe you could physically abuse players 50-60 years ago, back in the day before tv news really took off.
At the same time, it is tragic that he lost his job! Doing the right thing can cost you sometimes, but integrity is someting noone can take from you . . . at least he comes out with his intact!
Rice was certainly acting beyond reason, but I can't help but laugh at some of the comments I have seen and heard today.
What kind of coach would hit his players, after all?
Things you could get away with as a coach in the 70s wouldn't fly now in today's culture. Consider that Leach got chased out of Texas Tech for putting a kid in a shed or whatever that was, there's no reason to expect that Rice shouldn't have been fired for what he did today.
I'm not defending Rice, I was commenting on some of the self-righteous hand-wringing that has gone on, not all of it here. I date back to the "water is for wusses" era, so I have some understanding of the differences between then and now.
Not to excuse hitting a player with anything, but in the example you are putting forth, isn't Bo trying to teach a specific technique or positional stance and he was using the ruler to point out players who were not positioned properly? At least he was actually trying to teach something related to the game of football, even if it with a technique that would be frowned upon today.
What the hell was MIke Rice teaching his players by firing basketballs at their heads? How to be dodgeball players?
those yardsticks. Yes, he pointed. Yes, he measured. Yes, they bought them by the case. The stories are legion.
Bo doesn't need us to rationalize or excuse his actions - he was a coach of his era. His players survived and did just fine.
This era is not that era, and Rice is no Bo.
Again, I have read and heard (heard - implies at the very least that it was not on MGoBlog) some really ridiculous things today. I was really directing my comment at those "things", not any one person or comment.