where I would get fawned over, I might take a few of those.
Peppers at 10, which seems low.
where I would get fawned over, I might take a few of those.
Chill. You'd do the same thing if you were in their situation. If you didn't, I'd call you a moran.
If you're going to insult someone, you should probably at least spell the word correctly.
Oops. Sorry JG.
but JG is correct...it forever will be moran on this blog. For the record I prefer pre-madonna to the more conventional spelling as well.
.....your last name happens to be "Moran" (mine is not). Is it an unintended attack, or is this guy in the photo still a buffoon?
They pronounced it mo-RAN putting the emphasis on the end. I guess that guy does not like them.
I work with a guy that has the same last name and pronounciation. My guess is that the guy holding the sign is just an idiot who still to this day does not know why that pic is funny.
Deep breath, chief.
Chet, I never would have known to panic without your wise insight. You truly are my North Star...
I bet they committed just to take up spots and then when all of the 5*s are gone everyone's going to back out! What if we actually have 0 recruits because all of them are just pretending to be committed?!?!? I'm sure this is the work of Jim Tressel with the NCAA and the free press in an epic plot to stab Hoke in the back, making way for Les Miles to return in a blaze of glory! DAMNIT SHEEPLE WAKE UP!
"They're here already!" "Soylent Green is PEOPLE!" "It's a cook book!" "Einhorne is a man!" C'MON people, PANIC!
I see the remains of the Statue of Liberty...
Who would have thought that JT would be fired in the off season? Everyone needs one and it's the responsible thing to do.
Thanks for the insight, Chet.
...except Kalis had made it clear that he was having reservations (and even called to decommit) before ever visiting UM. RJS and TRich are both reaffirming their commitments to UM constantly and recruiting others to the program. They're highly unlikely to leave what they themselves have helped to build.
Exactly. No reason to believe that these guys are leaving and even if/when we lose a few guys, I'm sure we'll fill their spots with other excellent football players. It's all part of the process.
Not sure why I wouldn't be breathing OK.. But it means a lot that you're worried about me, Beavis ;)
You're right. I'm not a true Michigan fan because I don't think it's a big deal that a couple 17 year olds are taking advantage of 5 free vacations. I personally think they will end up here, but if they don't, Beavis is right. We're in on a lot of good talent that we can pick up.
Sorry for wasting your time, Chetty.
While there really isn't good that will come of this, we unfortunately must act like adults and let kids be kids.
Hello: Wayne Morgan
when you need him? This has been fairly common knowledge on the board for about a month or so now.
I knew I could count on someone to get the goal if I set it up.
nothing is set in stone until signing day anyway, so why shouldn't they be allowed to take visits. Of course there is always that little something in the back of ones head that worries some might see something they like better while taking visits, but I honestly can't blame these guys for wanting to take advantage of this. You're only young once, and these would be awesome trips to take with your pals.
Who cares? Let the kids take visits. I'd do the same if I had scholarship offers across the nation. Not many get that chance.
I would take the visits for sure. Even now in business, you always take the trips when they are needed, offered, free, any reason what-so-ever.
if anyone gets worked up, just remember when you were 17 and how you wanted to see places around the world. let the kids enjoy the process! they are michigan sold and solid, have fun guys!
My parents helped me "do the right thing" when I was straying off the reservation. Odd how somes' perception of what a commitment means, is. Officials are meant for a player to visit the selected "finalists" and then COMMIT.
Kids do the darndest things - Fred "Linkletter" Jackson.
Thanks for the compliment. Certainly wouldn't want a parent to parent. God forbid. I think they should be able to sign half of their names on their NLI in February and go make sure that they want to put down the rest after a few more visits.
You might want to read Sam Webb's comments about all of this on GBW and I guess indirectly, the Michigan staff's position. Erie, the similarity. I guess I am waiting for a grey box thingy but thought I would bring you up to speed.
They have every right to take visits. Absolutely. Schools have every right to then doubt their sincerity and act accordingly.
A Great Lake? A city in Pennsylvania?
Its like job interviews (sort of) like if you already accepted a job, but another company wants to fly you out to cali and put you in a hotel and pay for your food im sure most people would do it just for the free trip,food etc....so im not worried about them taking the trips
we should have T-Rich and RJS's twitter feed automatically load here with how close it appears so many are following them!
...that would be stal....uh....wait....nevermind.
Why wouldn't you? Tap out some SEC hostesses? I think its a good idea. Enjoy the trips you've earned. Just don't knock anyone up or pick up an STI, you don't want that distraction.
What is an STI? They sound cool.
"Sexually transmitted infection". Thats what the docs are calling them nowadays.
So, would that include syphighonaherpeaids?
Must be a new one . .
Allen Treiu with the scoop and what the Michigan coaches told him. I don't have an account so can someone paraphrase please?
i don't blame dem one bit.
They are not committed, only interested.
This will get interesting.
Again, I don't like it, and it makes me uncomfortable. But if the coaches are OK with it, then I'm OK with it. They know these guys a lot better than I.
It's interesting to see the different philosophies about commits visiting. I know some coaches don't allow it, while some are fine with it to make you more confident in your decision.
Prepare for more of MSU fans acting as Michigan fans harassing TR and RJS on twitter.
If I was a recruit, I'd pick Michigan then make my recruiting visits to:
1. Arizona State
It actually isn't that easy to take an official to Hawaii from what many have said. They know that they would just be a destination, and it costs a lot to bring kids there as well, so they make sure that there is great interest, almost to the point of ensuring a commitment if they are going to fly you there.
I would just keep telling them, "Yeah man I am all in." And after the visit just decommit and tell them I am allergic to salt water wind.
Nah, Central Florida. Good excuse to see Diseny World. Of course, that was too much for poor Willingham to resist. Sigh...how do you keep them on the farm after they've seen Mickey Mouse?
Too many retirees. I'd recommend Miami ... South Beach!
Come on, that's only because of Lane Kiffin's wife.
I wouldn't let any of our players near Golden until he gives our kicker back. The thieving magpie!
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Hawaii won't accept official visits unless they're convinced that you are seriously considering attending Hawaii, because it's really expensive for them.
Well, that would make sense. You would get an amazing quantity of visits otherwise...
Miami. If you're going to breeze through college in Florida, at least have scenery.
I think it is great that these kids have earned the right to go on these trips and if it were my child I would completely encourage them to do so. But I would also encourage them to be cautious in committing before they were ready as well. Let me ask you a question from the schools perspective just to see your thoughts. Is it acceptable for them to offer other kids of a recruits position once he has committed and then decided to take visits?
I'm sure Hoke and Mattison already made sure they were certain of their committment before they accepted it.
I am sure as well but I am also sure that all 17 year old kids change their mins at a drop of a dime. I think it is great that they are looking to see if they made the correct decision. I am just saying it should be done before a commitment is made. Not just in this instance, but any from any school. It handicaps that programs recruiting abilities moving forward because they can't realistically recruit another kid until the one who already made a commitment re-affirms it. And if they take their time and then choose elsewhere the first school is S.O.L.
This is nothing to worry about. These are 17 year old kids who essentially get 5 free vacations (official visits) to some of the best college football programs in the nation. Everyone knows that RJS has wanted to go to Michigan for a while now and there is no reason for that to change. If anything, adding Mattison to the mix would make it even less likely that he would want to go elsewhere.
I look at this as a two friends taking some time to look around to make sure they're making the right decision. They're both solid, but if they see something that completely blows them away (even more than Mich.) then, maybe, they'll open up their recruitment again. I doubt this will happen, though.
Makes total sense to go on visits. Hopefully this just confirms their interest in Michigan, but it's not the end of the world. I would do the same thing if I was good enough to be in their position
in Florida (summer) for visits (lose too much weight just sweating). And you guys seriously believe they will flip-flop?? They were one of the first to commit and they have, AND still are recruiting hard for UM. And nothing was mentioned about James "Biggs" Ross about visits. from my understanding they are close - like that movie 4 brothers (except 3 in their case)
I gotta call you out on this...couldn't you just have made a Three Musketeers reference? I mean, just so the numbers added up?
I would definitely do the same. Free swag, meet players that I've been watching on tv and party with hot chicks.
No worries at all.
Just so long as they don't visit Miami. For their own saftey, I mean. I swear, Al Golden craves wolverines the way Cookie Monster craves Snickerdoodles.
Golden only hit us hard last year due to the fact RR recruits were mainly Southerners. guarantee you this time around he has nothing on UM especially with Mattison in the fold
i want to take my visits to Oklahoma Miami Florida Alabama and Iowa and get a feel for every school.
i feel like i didnt give anyone a shot so here's their shot .
Well...that doesn't sound promising.
Well that makes it seem a little worse now doesn't it. Guess the coaches will just have to keeper recruiting them...
he takes an official to Michigan or at least unofficially comes to Ann Arbor for a game. It wouldn't be good if his fall only consisted of 5 games on other campuses. If he comes for a game, I don't have many worries about the other trips.
Oklahoma (Before Hoke had offered - Oklahoma was in the lead) and Iowa (Playing time) MAYBE make RJS reconsider. But no cigar
I don't think, on paper, I would be worried about any of them. I mean, look, lets be honest: I'm not worried. RJS seems as solid as anyone, wnyone still taking visits. But in our efforts not to let the mouthbreathers start a panicky stampede, lets not pretend that there's nothing to be worried about. Sometimes these kids go a place and don't come back. Maybe they fall in love with the campus, or whatever. It's just a fact. Other times they just committed to early and miss the spotlight, a la Shittu.
But I mean, am I worried about UO? No, RJS picked us over them, so we must be in the lead. But, yeah, you never know. Nothings set until the letter is signed.
I think there is always something to worry about when recruits visit other schools, though I don't think there is any reason to freak out right now about. We always say "If we get them to campus there is a chance", well the that wisdom goes both ways. There is always something to worry about when your commits visit other schools. But there is also a reason they committed to Michigan, and because they did, Michigan has to be the presumed favorite regardless.
I wish they didn't take officials because it increases the chance they end up elsewhere, but Michigan isn't in a position to tell guys "No, you can't do that." This is part of the gig you get yourself in to when a lot of people commit early, it comes with the territory. I still hope these guys end up at Michigan and I think Michigan still has the best shot at them, but stranger things have happened and sometimes these strange things can work out in Michigan's favor and sometimes not.
No committment is solid until NSD. But even if you want to consider these kids "uncommitted," Michigan at least has a huge lead on everyone else. Like, a GIGANTIC lead. So... yeah. Relax. Unbuckle.
If Chet says to relax, I assume the end is nigh. I felt much safer when Chet was ecouraging me to panic.
Maybe you should get up to AA and try and convince them to stay.
I'm sure the fanbases of those teams will be saying it's no big deal when RJS and TR are on their campus, right?
Clearly those schools are going to take their best shots, and to be honest, that's cause to be concerned. But what are we going to do, live in fear? At some point you have to aknowledge the risk, take a deep breath and move on.
"You live by the Ghost Pirate, you die by the Ghost Pirate."
I know someone asked before, but I wonder what Hoke had to say
I understand the allure of getting a free trip to some other part of the country, but the schools bringing in our commits know they've already committed so they will be bringing the hard sell throughout the whole trip.
Having sat through the living hell of a half hour time-share sales pitch once before(and all I think I got was a steak dinner), I would not wish such a thing on any of our recruits.
Its not like Miami(YTM) is going to fly them down there and say, "Ok, have fun on South Beach. We'll wait in the car". They are going to be in their face talking up their school, how many NFLers they produce, talking about their two-deep, showing you their academic centers.
If you were truly committed, then all of that crap/salemanship would make your time there agonizing.
And partying with all the players and girls would make their time there worth it.
The "hard sale" is going to include parties and co-eds, and, when applicable, beaches as well. They know how to sell their schools, and it's not through boring the recruits to death. It's by making them believe their school is El Dorado and the prospect would be doing himself a disservice by going anywhere else for three to five years. Negative recruiting will rear its ugly head. It could get even more unsavory. Recruiting can be a sordid buisness.
back in the day when law firms fawned over graduates of the top schools, it was commonplace for 24 year olds who had made up their minds where they wanted to work to take recruiting trips to other cities and firms to see the cities and be treated royally. Why is it surprising that 17 year olds being recruited to play football would also take advantage of the opportunity? Now and then, someone might change his mind; but generally the trips were just for the fun of it.
Except nobody goes to Norman or Iowa City as tourists. It's not exactly the allure of being wined and dined that would draw you there, it is the football programs.
it amounts to the same thing on a different level. you like football, you get to see the football stadium, the campus, the girls. who wouldn't wnat to do that if you were being treated royally?
never visited other states. And financialy strapped. I know my broke ass would commit to UM less than a heartbeat and tell them I will take officials just to "see/experience" school(s) and a tour around the city. Always wanted to see Colorado. Hell, I take an official to Montana and swing by National YellowStone Park afterwards. Don't blame them wanting to see Miami...Beautiful women, scenery, and more women. Hope they like don't pass out from heat exhaustion tho . . ITS HOT
I always wondered how this worked - do you walk up to a door at a sorority and ask for a "freebie"? Do they publish lists of prospects and have rating systems similar to Rivals?
The sorority chooses mates by pecking order, duh
And if some kid committed to us does too, good luck to him, on to the next guy who wants to be here. Not going to wish him ill, it's his choice, not mine to make. And if a kid sees everything else and STILL wants to come here, he's dedicated to Michigan.
Has Kalis visited other schools. I thought he just went here and OSU.
He committed...and then took a visit to us. So if I'm glad he came here after committing there, I can't very well say "OH, HOW DARE THEY TAKE ANOTHER VISIT?!?! BREAK THEIR LEGS!!" Which I'm sure you're not thinking either....just sayin' it was the opposite, commit to OSU, visit us, decommit, commit to us. I hope that it stops after the "visit" part for our kids, but I'm not going to hold it against them, even if they find their heart someplace else.
Ok. I wasn't sure.
Until TomVH identifies a need for panic no problem.
If Tom sees a problem then:
....then it is mandatory 24/7 blogwatch. We will all be right here, stopping only for booze and fast food.
I'm thinking of them as uncommitted with UM as favorites. I completely understand them wanting to take visits but I do feel uneasy about it. Terry Richardson said in his twitter that their recruitment isn't over until feb 2. It doesn't sounds like his commitment is 'solid' to me.
Free trips all over the country? I don't blame them. My top 3 would be, Akron, Bowling Green & Toldeo.
Got to go to downtown Philadelphia, Los Angeles and then wrap it up with a visit to Waikiki in Honolulu.
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if you guys aren't just a little worried, you're in denial. Have you ever thought maybe they might like someplace better?I certainly hope not, but to say you're not at least a little worried is beyond me.
They should go there. It's their life. Rather have them go now and find out they'd be happier someplace else than not be sure and come here and then have second thoughts and regret it and either leave or be an unhappy presence in the program. Recruiting is a numbers game. No one recruit makes or breaks a class or program. It's lots, over a long time. I'd love to have them, but they don't get to recruit a lot of schools, they get to choose just one. I hope they choose the one that's best for them. Just because I think it's Michigan doesn't mean they have to. Good luck to 'em every day of the year except the one we may or may not play them (or need them to lose for some beneficial reason).
Tate Forcier gets to pick from a bunch of schools!
Ummmm I think I like these 5...no wait THESE five...noooo I think I like these six plus Auburn, I just wanna be close to home...No I want these five and HAWAII!!!!
Terrelle Pryor, God willing, will have broken the OSU program and 2011 senior class. o:-)
Let them look.
Look, they better be honest with Hoke and the coaches. As long as they are, I have no problem. Free trip, they get to hang out with hostesses...what is not to like?
That said, if they are underhanded about it, they should have their offers revoked. But I think these are kids, let them go see the world. Many of these guys have barely ever left the state of Michigan. I am much happier having them go see what is out there, and then feel comfortable with their decision to go to Michigan. If they go elsewhere, more power to them.
I refuse to castigate kids for spreading their wings. Let us not turn into Bucknuts, people.
@icezphi896 I doubt anything will come of it. I know the staff probably won't allow them to take visits and remain committed.
I would have to agree with Tom on this. If you wanted to take visits elsewhere you should of done that before you committed. There are plenty of prospects that would love the chance to play at Michigan and would not want to visit elsewhere. Both these young men need to realize that Michigan wants Die Hard players that want to play for Michigan only. At this point they have way more recruits then scholarships to offer. There is really no need to waste them on players on the bubble.