Non-Coaching Issues With RR

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Non-Coaching Issues With RR

I am sure that there will be numerous posts criticizing RR as a coach.  While I agree with those criticisms, this is not the subject of this post.  Rather, my criticism is with some statements that RR has made to the press.

Watching this game, one of the announcers commented that RR said to him that he hoped to find a FG kicker on the trip to Penn State. It sounded like ajoking comment, but if this is what he said, than he is an ass.  OUr FG kickers are not good.  Fine, we know.  But they are young men coming to practice every day to try to help M win.  How do you think they feel hearing RR say things like that?  How do they feel when RR says (earlier this year) that he would welcome students to cme and try out for the kicker job.  Talk about undermining a kid's confidence. 

More importantly, if I were a parent of a recruit, and I heard that RR mad statements like that publicly, I would think twice about sending my son to play for him. 

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October 31st, 2010 at 1:03 AM | Under The Bus (Score:1)
raleighwood
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He's thrown his players under the bus numerous times during his tenure.  It's hard to figure out.  Usually the coach takes a "the buck stops here" approach.  RR doesn't do that.

October 31st, 2010 at 1:07 AM | Just wondering if you have (Score:1)
maizedandconfused
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Just wondering if you have any examples of him throwing his players under the bus...

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October 31st, 2010 at 1:23 AM | A Few (Score:1)
raleighwood
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Here are a few examples (and I'm going to paraphrase)...

"We're looking for a kicker on the way to Happy Valley this weekend"

"Vince Lombardi couldn't come in and fix the defense"

"We'll win when we have better players" ....after OSU loss last year.  That one in particular concerns me because OSU totally out-recruits Michigan right now.

In my view, he tends to deflect the blame to the players.

October 31st, 2010 at 1:28 AM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
TheVictors97
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I agree. He has continued to trash the kickers all year. When will he step up and place some of the blame on himself? HR was the one that offered Gibbons a scholarship wasn't he? Maybe his ability to judge talent and retain players should be questioned, instead of always trying to blame others.

October 31st, 2010 at 10:24 AM | Well raleigh, we were looking (Score:1)
maizedandconfused
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Well raleigh, we were looking for a kicker on the way to Happy Valley, and I dont know if you were watching but the way we looked last night he might have just called a spade a spade on that defense.

Secondly, those comments are not  throwing players under the bus.. comments like "Mike Martin needs to man up through his injury" or "JT Flyod needs to be more athletic" or "Our entire LB corp has played like a bunch of women".. thats throwing players under the bus... singling out A player is throwing them under the bus, commenting on an entire unit is just talking about your team.I realize he said he was trying to find a kicker, but Im guessing that it was taken out of context and that he was trying to go with the lighthearted "were trying to find which kicker were going to use on the bus"

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October 31st, 2010 at 1:38 AM | Zoltan Fake (Score:1)
mpuck20
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"He was supposed to kick it"

"It was a read, and Zoltan, he's made that decision very, very well a number of times, and that time he thought he saw a crease, I guess."

October 31st, 2010 at 1:48 AM | Does anyone pay close enough attention (Score:1)
M-Wolverine
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To other teams to know how other coaches do it at other schools? Because I don't know how much of this is a lack of responsibility, or just system shock from Lloyd who would never blame a player or assistant, and would always want the press to put it on his shoulders. (He occasionally call out a player to get him on the same page for disciplinary reasons, but never for screwing up

a play).

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October 31st, 2010 at 2:07 AM | I don't have a problem with (Score:1)
mpuck20
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I don't have a problem with it, just answering the question.

October 31st, 2010 at 9:00 AM | You don't have to look at how (Score:1)
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You don't have to look at how other teams coaches do things. We saw how Lloyd handled it and he was in defense of his players like crazy. Best example: John Navarre.

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October 31st, 2010 at 11:15 AM | ding ding ding (Score:1)
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John Navarre was the reason UM lost to OSU in 01' . Lloyd not only stood by him, he admonished anyone in the press who called him out. He protected his player/student-athlete. By Navarre's senior season he had learned to stay clam in the pocket, step up to avoid the rush, and deliver the pass accurately under duress. UM beat OSU 35-21.

    I agree that RR has deflected criticism many times over his short tenure here. He has also referrenced the Lion King at press confrerences more than once. All of these things would be glossed over if he actually won games.

October 31st, 2010 at 9:51 AM | Non- coaching issue (Score:1)
Princetonwolverine
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How is this op a "non- coaching" issue? What the coach has to say IS a coaching issue. I was expecting you to talk about where he goes on vacation or what his favorite color is.

October 31st, 2010 at 1:03 AM | Wait...have you seen our (Score:1)
Mirasola
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Wait...have you seen our kickers?

October 31st, 2010 at 1:07 AM | I heard that comment but (Score:1)
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I thought that he meant he would figure out which of his kickers would be "the one."  Maybe I misinterpreted.

October 31st, 2010 at 1:04 AM | Coach speak for (Score:1)
Route66
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Hopefully someone will step up.  There are 18 year olds fighting wars, I think the young men on the team can take that comment.

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October 31st, 2010 at 4:25 AM | Completely different realms. (Score:1)
Run 2 Daylight
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Completely different realms. There's no reason to dump on your kickers before a huge road game. And that has nothing to do with the lifestlye other peers make. If an analogy to war can't be made, this certainly shouldnt be tolerated.

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October 31st, 2010 at 1:07 AM | Our kickers do not have (Score:1)
aaamichfan
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Our kickers do not have vaginas. They can handle a little competition/criticism.

October 31st, 2010 at 1:27 AM | Maybe they (Score:1)
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Maybe they should:

 

http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/springfield-oh-sports/high-school-sports/football-roundup-female-placekicker-the-difference-for-shawnee-983959.html

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October 31st, 2010 at 4:40 PM | Like, what the fuck is that (Score:1)
kgh10
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Like, what the fuck is that supposed to mean?  I know this is a mostly male-particpating board and I really don't post much anymore...but I'm asking you to seriously relax with comments like that. There are many other ways to express your point without insinuating something about those with that particular plumbing.

November 1st, 2010 at 1:41 AM | lol does anyone else see the (Score:1)
maizenbluedevil
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lol does anyone else see the irony in this post or is it just me?

 

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November 1st, 2010 at 8:41 AM | I dunno, I have a vagina and (Score:1)
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I dunno, I have a vagina and I thought it was pretty funny.

 

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October 31st, 2010 at 1:09 AM | Regarding what was said by (Score:1)
maizenbluedevil
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Regarding what was said by the announcers during the game, I thought the same as sixwingedangel above.

Regarding open tryouts - Are you effing serious??  So, he's supposed to not try and find a better kicker?  If he didn't try and find a better one, and settled for what we have, people would criticize him for that.

It really is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" thing with RR.  I really, truly feel bad for the guy because some people are just outrageous in their criticisms of him.  No matter what he does people will look for something to find wrong with it.

 

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October 31st, 2010 at 1:57 AM | I don't feel sorry for him (Score:1)
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I don't feel sorry for him overall.  He makes 100x more per year than many people with full time jobs.  Plenty of people work harder and more dangerous jobs than he does and get paid less.  It's true that there will always be some who criticize him for dumb reasons, but that doesn't mean you can't make rational criticism of him.

I do feel he was dealt a much worse hand than anyone thought, but his worst case scenario is getting fired and getting a head coaching job in a non-BCS conference, which would easily jump to have him.

October 31st, 2010 at 9:59 AM | I doubt anyone works harder (Score:1)
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I doubt anyone works harder -- I believe him when he said that he's lucky if he gets 5 hours of sleep per night.

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October 31st, 2010 at 1:07 AM | I'm only tired of the (Score:1)
BlueinLansing
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"we're not good enough to make those mistakes and win" lines.  Especially when those mistakes keep occuring over and over and over.  When do those mistakes get taken care of in practice.

We kicked a f'ing kickoff return out of bounds and it cost the team points.  This has been a 3 year problem.

October 31st, 2010 at 1:08 AM | Finding (Score:1)
Geaux_Blue
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is a common term. it was used when we've had two players fighting for a starting position 100s of times under a variety of coaches. it means that people will be "trying out" and, through performance, they will be "found," meaning they will emerge into awareness.

 

this is a non-issue

October 31st, 2010 at 1:09 AM | Agreed (Score:1)
zohizzle101
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I mentioned this a couple of years ago when RR would keep blaming losses on the fact that he didn't have spread athletes...he really needs to keep his mouth shut at times because saying that is just going to alienate him from his players.

Back to tonight though, I think Gerg might have finally cost RR his job...it ultimately comes down to the head coach and as a loyal RR supporter, I really wanted him to succeed here. Obviously we can speculate all we want but it will be interesting to see what DB does in the next few weeks...

October 31st, 2010 at 1:26 AM | Clean Slate (Score:1)
raleighwood
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I think that if you gave GERG a clean slate, this is not the defense that he would put on the field.  He catches a lot of heat, but again, the buck should stop with the HC.

October 31st, 2010 at 1:51 AM | Last year we ran the kind of (Score:1)
jmblue
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Last year we ran the kind of NFL-style scheme GERG wanted.  It was a disaster.  At Syracuse, he had four years to run whatever scheme he wanted, and it was a disaster.  It's hard for me to believe that he's the guy to turn around the defense.

October 31st, 2010 at 8:43 AM | Especially with that NCAA (Score:1)
maizenbluenc
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Especially with that NCAA comeback hanging out there too. Seriously, the question this morning is did just GERG and maybe Gibson loose their jobs, or the whole staff?

The only way to find out is to stay tuned ...

October 31st, 2010 at 9:17 PM | Gibson (Score:1)
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I have to believe we would be lucky if he just lost his job.

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October 31st, 2010 at 1:39 AM | NFL teams bring in new (Score:1)
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NFL teams bring in new kickers constantly after their kickers choke the week before.  Great coaches and solid teams do this all the time (see: Saints, Giants).  This is done in an effort (effective or not) to motivate their kickers or find something better.

But when RR does it, he's throwing his players under the bus?  OK, you've figured it all out.  Somebody tell Tom Coughlin he's been a scumbag all these years trying to find someone better than that bum Lawrence Tynes.

IGotARashMan

October 31st, 2010 at 1:43 AM | Well, Coughlin is scum (Score:1)
M-Wolverine
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Just ask his players. But not because he goes looking for kickers. (Though pro v. college).

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

October 31st, 2010 at 1:48 AM | Which players think he's (Score:1)
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Which players think he's scum?  Even Tiki never said that, and Tiki actually is verifiably scum.  I know a ton of players have praised him, and some have certainly clashed with him.  But scum?  Coughlin is a good guy.  Scum is you talking, and since we've established that you know almost nothing about basketball, I'm ready to add the NFL to the list.

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October 31st, 2010 at 2:23 AM | Coughlin was a dick at Boston College (Score:1)
M-Wolverine
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And his players at on the Giants can't stand the way he treats him. He's not a "player's coach", by any means. But if you actually had any real knowledge yourself rather than attacking others who know far more than you, you wouldn't come off looking so foolish all the time. (And nice typical dodge that how professionals handle professionals isn't the same as how coaches should act towards college kids. Still waiting on that recruiting response...).

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October 31st, 2010 at 2:51 AM | Others who know far more than (Score:1)
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Others who know far more than me =/= you, as usual.  Coughlin is a disciplinarian, if you want to call him a jerk that's probably fair.  I've watched every Giants game for 10 years, read all the stories, I know about the 5 minutes early is on time, the players' council he started in the Super Bowl year, etc.  All of it.  Many players chafe under the system, and calling him a players' coach (though they did on MNF this week) would be inaccurate.  He did not always get along with the players.  He has, however, mellowed and changed his system over the years.  Dozens of stories on it, particularly in the lead up to the Super Bowl they won.  But instead, you offer more expert generalizing about how ALL current Giants players hate him.  That must be why they're so unsuccessful under him every year and can never bring in free agents.  Six years ago called, it wants its opinion of Coughlin back.

You call him scum because he's a strict coach - that's your opinion.  Mine is calling someone "scum" is an attack on their character that a good guy like Coughlin doesn't deserve, certainly from you.  I won't lose sleep waiting for you to find quotes from players calling him scum, even though that extensive knowledge base you're constantly talking about suggests it would be easy for you to find them.

I didn't get into your 4-word "point" because you were busy making unjustifiable attacks on Coughlin's character for no reason other than your typical idiocy.  I don't think bringing in kickers motivates anyone - they're either going to make the kicks or not, they're already trying their hardest to make them.  True in college too.  But to act like it's a "scumbag" motivational technique is ridiculous - it's just not that big a deal.  We just gave up 1000 points AGAIN - that is a big deal.

IGotARashMan

October 31st, 2010 at 2:46 AM | For the whimsy (Score:1)
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"December
28
By: the mighty mjd
Apparently, most of the assistant coaches do, too. “Guys absolutely hate Tom Coughlin,” one Giant told the New York Post. “He’s not the type of coach we’re going to go and put everything on the line for. Guys don’t play for him; we play because we have to play and you’re not going to win that way. Arguments go on every day in that building, cursing out between the players and the coaches.”

“We will not win here when he’s the coach,” another veteran added. “It’s coaches against the players. It’s Coughlin against the coaches. There’s no team atmosphere or camaraderie.”"

http://www.themightymjd.com/2004/12/28/giants-players-hate-tom-coughlin/

That's one of probably a dozen you can find with a simple Google search...which must be beyond your expert knowledge.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

October 31st, 2010 at 2:57 AM | "We will not win here when (Score:1)
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"We will not win here when he's the coach" - 2004.  Beating the best NFL team of all-time in the Super Bowl - 2007.  $5 says that anonymous veteran was not on the team in 2007 (and was likely Tiki, who constantly leaked things to the media, like his 2006 retirement tour).

You may be STUNNED to learn that people and styles change over time.  His style in Jacksonville, while turning an expansion team into a legit contender, stopped working, so he modified his approach and was an unfortunate gunshot through the leg away from back-to-back rings.  Do some players probably still hate him?  Sure, he's not warm and cuddly and friendly.  Does that make him a bad coach or a scumbag?  Absolutely not.  Does using a quote from 2004 that was directly contradicted 3 years later suggest your "massive knowledge" you talk about constantly is imaginary?  Sure does.

IGotARashMan

October 31st, 2010 at 8:13 AM | Seriously, you post a player (Score:1)
Fuzzy Dunlop
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Seriously, you post a player saying, in 2004, that the Giants will never win under Coughlin as proof of your position?  And you don't see the problem with that? 

Setting that idiocy aside, if one anonymous player saying crap about Coughlin proves him to be "scum," what does that say about Rodriguez?

October 31st, 2010 at 9:36 AM | Possibly your worst post (Score:1)
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Possibly your worst post ever?

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October 31st, 2010 at 7:21 PM | Well, with all the bad posts I've made (Score:1)
M-Wolverine
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That would be saying a lot...

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

October 31st, 2010 at 10:10 AM | Did you catch the Super Bowl (Score:1)
SysMark
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Did you catch the Super Bowl the Giants were in a few years ago?  Ask Tom Brady if he thought the Giants were playing hard for Tom Coughlin.

October 31st, 2010 at 1:41 AM | If your criticism of a coach (Score:1)
jsquigg
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If your criticism of a coach could be the same regardless of record and you only choose to critique said coach when coach loses, then you are a fairweather fan, a troll, and should not post criticism ever.

Hail to the Victors!

October 31st, 2010 at 1:43 AM | the only thing i disagree on, (Score:1)
VinnieMac25
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is Lloyd never gave the media anything to spin, he point his finger back at them and give his opinion. 

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October 31st, 2010 at 2:01 AM | Did anyone else listen to (Score:1)
Black Socks
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Did anyone else listen to WTKA after the game?  I have never heard Ira so open about changing coaches.  Sounds like he is super frustrated like the rest of us.

October 31st, 2010 at 2:12 AM | You know what really pissed (Score:1)
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You know what really pissed me off about Rich Rod? He doesn't have a mustache. Real men have mustaches and since Rich Rod doesn't, I just don't see how he can be a real man. If I was a parent of a recruit, I would want my son to be playing for a man with a mustache.

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October 31st, 2010 at 2:35 AM | You mean like Danny Hope? (Score:1)
Black Socks
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You mean like Danny Hope?

October 31st, 2010 at 2:34 AM | These are the kinds of things (Score:1)
jmblue
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These are the kinds of things no one cares about until a coach loses, at which time they suddenly become incriminating evidence.

October 31st, 2010 at 2:51 AM | Agree with the post above. I (Score:1)
Ultimate Quizmaster
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Agree with the post above. I don't understand why people feel the need to assail his character. I mean, question his coaching is fine, but I think you are nitpicking at coaching style.

October 31st, 2010 at 4:16 AM | Frustration.... (Score:1)
allintime23
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Will kill a man.

All in for some manball.

October 31st, 2010 at 10:04 AM | I've always been... (Score:1)
Firstbase
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...mildly uncomfortable with RR's "pass the buck" comments that tend to diminish his own players. 

If the players hear from their own coach that "they're not good enough... etc..." then that has to have a detrimental affect on the way they play. 

To that extent, I'm just not sure that RR's demeanor is good for Michigan football. 

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