On a completely unrelated note, I'm sure that every Spartan basketball fan over the last 20 years is an MSU grad.
I'm pretty sure Sparty Stadium isn't full of just cow farmers alumni so that's a stupid argument whenever they give it. But to be honest, I do get annoyed when a non-MSU alum gives me crap about MSU-UM. Do you know how annoying it is to have a relative say from 2002-2006 that MSU has a better football team and this "will be the year"?
When it comes to talking crap about academics, saying one is better than the other, I do believe you should have a degree from one of those institutions or plan on attending before jumping in that fire. Don't talk about how UM is greater than MSU and you went to U Phoenix.
Walmarter here with a masters in Structural engineering and season tickets. Bring it on I say!
Meijer devotee with a Doctorate. I got your back.
millions of fans of CFB who didn't attend the university they cheer for. Without that interest, CFB would be a shadow of itself. Most notably, Ginger in Chicago wouldn't have the Big Ten Network or ESPN 2 or U to watch Sparty club Illinois without non-alum fans of CFB.
Likewise, there are thousands of students who are totally apathetic to sports teams on big campuses and feel no connection whatsover to XYZ field or Coach ABC.
Good rant, though. Kid was pretty annoying / entertaining.
So let's say I grew up in Ann Arbor, had a family full of UM alums, I followed Michigan my whole life, applied, got in, but also got into Harvard, and I decided to go there instead because, well, its Harvard.
I'm sure that makes me a lowlife Walmart Wolverine in their eyes, right?
Their infatuation with this whole idea really baffles me sometimes. Cheer for whoever the hell you want to cheer for, and to hell with what anyone else thinks.
I grew up in Ann Arbor, Dad got a couple degrees from the university, and I spent most of my free time doing activities somehow related to the university (summer camps, honor bands, volunteering at Mott, etc). I followed football religiously (I would seriously genuflect every time my school bus drove by Michigan Stadium).
When college time came around, I could either go to Michigan or to Caltech (up there with MIT as the top 2 engineering schools in the world). I decided to go to the school in Pasadena with no football team, a D-3 basketball that won their first game in 200+ tries when I was there, no snow, and an average of 1 Nobel Prize winner in each 4-year block of students.
All of my friends in college continued rooting for their hometown teams - my best friends were an Ohio fan, a Texas fan, Mizzou fan, and Florida fan.
Really, the MSU people are just jealous that they can't get the same state-wide and nation-wide appeal that Michigan does. So they do shit like Walmarting to pull Michigan fans down, because sometimes the only way to feel good about onself is to make other people look bad. Doesn't mean there aren't Walmart-caliber people in our fanbase, but how people root is their own decision. As long as you have a team and you stick with it, fuck everyone else.
Otherwise, bad call.
(/s, just because you never know)
I am confused, why would someone go to the Michigan of the East if they were accepted into the actual University of Michigan...
Run away from parents? Live in a different city? Not go to college with the same kids from high school?
"Walmart Wolverine" brings up. I'm surprised that no one--especially at these unverisities--doesn't note the inherent bigotry in that label.
Those who who use that term do so to reduce the humanity of those they are labeling. Walmart Wolverines is a codeword for white trash. We all know that it is. Yet, no one calls MSU fans on the carpet for it. Why? Why in an age we are quick to condemn homophobic or racist comments do we permit classist comments? Considering the ongoing class warfare in this country and the horrors that this conflict has caused in the past we would be wise to be vigilant about the use of such offensive terms.
I think most of us don't pay much more attention because we're not insecure about our lives.
use of racist terms ,women when sexist terms are used, and gays when homophobic terms are used? I want you to clarify that for me.
Its not different, but the psychology of the oppressed is different than the psychology of the oppressing class. When someone calls me "cracker" I don't get my feathers ruffled. When someone calls me "chief" I do (Native American). In this scenario, MSU feels like they are the oppressed so they can say whatever they want to. As Michigan alumni, staff, employees and fans, we can point to ~30+ game margin and say "scoreboard" the same way that yankee fans this week are saying, "8 world series champs for Boston is cute, call me when you have 24." We are the historical dominators (ergo oppressors) of this rivalry.
I'm over-simplifying but you get the picture.
Michigan is home to me; nevermind that I actually went to CMU. I thought at one time that I may want to come to Ann Arbor for a grad degree, but with a CPA certificate and my own software company, I don't really need it.
I did, however, send 2 or my 3 kids to school in Ann Arbor (and the other one may end up there eventually)..
I have been a fan since back when we used to watch Rick Leach play, then get inspired to go out and knock the living crap out of each other playing sandlot football, and I will always be a fan.
Go Fire Up, Chips!
Where is a good place to tailgate with fellow Michigan fans on Saturday in East Lansing?
I made it through 30 seconds before the overwhelming urge to roll my eyes like a valley girl took control, and I stopped. Hope there was something actually funny in there for folks who watched the whole thing
As a non-alum who has never even lived in the state of Michigan I find this reasoning adorably stupid. Is every Dallas Cowboys fan from Dallas? There's all sorts of fans of pro/college teams, some good and some bad. What matters is that you stick with the team through thick and thin.
I think most Spartan fans like to portray non-alum Michigan fans as people who could not get into the university where in my experience it has been the opposite. Most of my "Walmart Wolverines" friends were admitted to the University of Michigan but chose to attend other schools (Ivy League, Liberal Arts colleges, etc.). None of them applied or even considered applying to Michigan State.
There are a large number highly educated and successful Michigan natives that did not attend Michigan due to other opportunities but returned to the state for graduate school or other employment opportunities. In my experience, none of these people in the Metro Detroit area root for MSU.
I don't care to watch the vid, but it sounds like Sparty's inferiority complex is showing. What do I care if U-M fans aren't alumni like me? The more the merrier. And if that pisses off Sparties, so much the better.
This sums up my feelings perfectly. I'm an alum but if you want to be a fan and didn't go to UM, that's your choice and I'm perfectly happy to cheer along side of you.
I grew up 20 minutes from AA...have been cheering for M FB for 45 years. I had the grades to attend UM but the family didn't have that kind of cash. Okay, we didn't have ANY cash. I worked, put myself through community college, transfered to Walsh College (Troy) and got my undergrad there.
I'm proud where I came from, how I got to where I am today, and if all that makes me a WalMart Wolverine then so be it. I'm not jealous of M grads but happy for all of you...proud to cheer alongside you. I have never, ever felt unaccepted by alums, students, etc.
Alumni, students, and faculty are the only ones that should say 'we'. It's a university, not a pro team. And that university is there for its alumni, students, and faculty.
Just like in high school, I think any school is a family experience. I have no problems with parents (who are footing the bill in many cases) and siblings rooting for a university because of family connections.
How odd. People who have worked at UM longer than you have been alive don't have the right to say "we". Something about that seems so terribly unjust.
so it's fine for me, with my 6 year old liberal arts degree, to say "we really need to win the division this year, that's going to be huge for us" as though I'm actually a member of the current team... but not for, say, Brady Hoke's wife. Interesting.
Anyone and everyone can say we. If you get butthurt about it because of a degree or whatever it might be then that's your baggage and instead of trying to make me carry some of it I think that I'll leave you to the whole load.
What does that make me?
I used to be critical of the whole "we" thing but as message boards and discussions via internet have become ever so huge, it's just too practical to say we instead of The Universty of XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXX.
e.g. "We need to move the ball against the Spartans this weekend for a few long drives to wear down their defense; if we continuously go 3 and out it's going to become harder and harder to put up points on them." I guess one can insert "the guys" or "Michigan's football players", but srsly, it just makes sense to say we. I agree at times in can be cringe worthy but for game discussion it's simply the easiest way.
*This is more to the discussion above and doesn't really fit down here.
Also, to what thes thread was really about: I didn't go to Michigan nor did any relatives and I didn't even grow up there. I. Don't. Give. A. Sh*t. Nobody can take my fan card away; I won't let them.
I always refer to the team as "Michigan." The only time I use the words "our," "we," or similar pronouns, I'm referring to this blog or the fanbase in general.
I didn't attend Michigan because I didn't want to find myself in debt. I absolutely could have gone to UM. I got a 33 on my ACT and I decided to go to BGSU for nothing. Can't beat that.
I grew up in Ohio with a family full of Ohio fans. I've been a Michigan fan since I could consciously make a decision about who I was going to be a fan of (I was 5 in '97.. and Charles Woodson in The Game sold me). I don't want to hear that I'm a "Walmart Wolverine" because I didn't go to school there. And I don't think it's fair to question any other non-alumni's fandom.
Spartan fans just don't understand this concept of garning fans around the world. Michigan State is a lot like Bowling Green. You don't grow up a Falcon fan... you're a fan because you went there.
I must love sofas.
A V8 engine is complicated.
But Bees are complex.
I'm not an alum, but my father is and I was born at U of M. I've always bled maize and blue, even all four years I was at Western.
Are you me?
Well before I ever thought I would go to school at Michigan. I almost went to CMU but I would still have been a big Michigan fan/supporter!
could not get in or want there kids to get in. My uncle bought a class of 2013 shirt for my cousin when he was born, he framed it and gave it to him after he graduated. First person in our family to get in. He was told his senior year in High school he would not get in to Michigan, he did. I was simply brought to a game in 95(Virginia) as a teen living in California then, I was hooked. My wife applied, wasn't interviewed for med school, 2 years ago applied and was interviewed but didn't get in to do residency. We wanted to be associated but its hard, especially for out of state people, I was merely born in Michigan so I kept UM in my blood since it was a family desire to get in. It's just nobody has a desire to make MSU a goal when they can aim higher, beyond a few ivy schools UM is on top.
"YOU ARE!!!" "PENN STATE!!!" ...obviously has nothing to do with Michigan but college sports has a different feel. When you're on campus and in the stadium it's perfectly natural to feel like you're a part of something. People need to realize this and move on. I didn't go to Michigan but my Dad has had season tickets since I was 5 (29 now). I went to school in a different country. I don't relate to anything accademically but the football team is special to me. All those Saturdays with my Dad are still special to me. It means something to me.
This. I didn't attend Michigan,I served in the Army and went to school in another state. But my Dad started taking me to Michigan games when I was 8 years old, now I'm 32 and I still join him whenever my girlfriend and I can make the trip and get tickets. The memories of that mean the world to me, and continuing to do it today means just as much. As far as I'm concerned, the Sparty bros and their skanks who use that term would tell me that those memories are for shit. Fuck them.
That might not be a bad chant to adopt...
As someone with a couple degrees from U-M, I have zero problem with anyone being a fan of my school. I think it's flattering if anything. I recognize that a lot of people couldn't attend, for various reasons.
This "issue" makes me laugh a little though, because it's basically an acknowledgement that Spartans can't say anything to those of us that did go here.
What a schmuck. I guess I can't go to any more games even though I have season tickets. Bummer.
As long as you don't try and make fun of Sparty's academics when you didn't go to a school as good as msu, then there's nothing wrong with it. I'm a pround Walmarter myself.
Any high school or college, then?
I kid, I kid. I know next to nothing about Sparty's academics.
Oh, this is rich coming from Staee...
What a surprise, all the non-alums are so offended and taken aback...
Though this guy comes off as a douche his logic seems correct. If you haven't spent four years eating, living, and breathing on a particular college campus, poured thousands of dollars into tuition and living expenses into any given school, or are employed there, why even care? Why not root for the Lions with such fervor? Or the Pistons? Or the Tigers?
Collegiate Athletics is a uniquely American phenomenon. This great country of ours is filled with so many large academic institutions. College Athletics has literally grown from the adoration and loyalty that these alumni feel for their schools.
Makes you wonder if the commercialization of College Athletics and the growing number of "Walmart Wolverine" types is a coincidence.
UM pursued the non-affliated fans, not the other way. Do you seriously think Yost built a 85,000 football stadium in the 1920's(when the average person had far less opportunity to go to college) for alums and students? No, he didn't. He, like Rockne at Notre Dame, purposefully went after "subway alumni" to grow interest in the sport and in the university.
The Big House is big because of commercialization. It is designed for the student, alumni, faculty, and yes, the football fan. Decades later Don Canham further embraced the subway alumni by directly appealing to the working class fans(because the Big House was a big empty) with promotions, advertisements, etc. Oh and the hiring of a man who epitomized Midwestern working class values--one Glenn "Bo" Schembechler --didn't hurt the cause either.
Heh, what a surprise, you never attended M. Sorry for pushing your buttons.
So high school students or members of the military can't be fans of any college teams whatsoever? Seems legit.
Heh, what a surprise, you agree with the guy in the video but say he's coming off as a douche, when you yourself are as well.