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Noise makers for the Big House..Ideas?

For the past few years I have been thinking of ideas for noise makers for the big house.  I went to the game a couple years ago when we played AT Oregon. It was EXTREMELY loud. All of the fans had duck calls or actual whistles decorated as ducks. It created an annoying, but effective sound that truly affected our players. I remember when USC played at Oregon a few years ago, the commentators were saying how USC had practiced hand signals all week to prepare for the deafening sound in the stadium. Why don't we do something like this? Can't someone modify a duck call to make a more "growling" sound? I think we should all work together and come up with some ideas to implement for the new era of Michigan football. New stadium. New level of loudness. Lets make it so we aren't the "quietest group of 109K people".

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July 17th, 2010 at 5:26 PM | Lungs? (Score:1)
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Lungs?

"Ohio is like a giant turd that Michigan just can't pinch off"

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July 17th, 2010 at 5:26 PM | Screaming lungs. (Score:1)
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Screaming lungs.

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July 17th, 2010 at 5:33 PM | Trust me, I'm screaming all (Score:1)
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Trust me, I'm screaming all game every game but its obviously not working for us as a whole.

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July 17th, 2010 at 5:39 PM | I could tell it was getting (Score:1)
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I could tell it was getting better last year though...

"Ohio is like a giant turd that Michigan just can't pinch off"

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July 17th, 2010 at 6:52 PM | Noise (Score:1)
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True, if you go back and watch the Tate-Hemingway TD bomb from the WMU game, you can hear a massive roar from the crowd when the ball is caught.  It's definitely getting better.

 

 

"All I've had today is, like, six gummy bears and some scotch"

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July 17th, 2010 at 7:31 PM | You know (Score:1)
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it's obviously not working for us as a whole

You know we have won 11 national championships and the most games ever, so it obviously has "worked" just fine as it is.

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July 17th, 2010 at 10:14 PM | The one thing that gets me (Score:1)
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The one thing that gets me about this blog is the negging. I didnt say anything opposing to anyone and it was just a comment. For people to neg something like that is just a dick move and makes others hesitant to comment. Just take it for what its worth.

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July 17th, 2010 at 11:57 PM | The first rule of MGoPoints: (Score:1)
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The first rule of MGoPoints: Don't talk about MGoPoints.

Speaking from experience, the more you worry about them, the further south they go.  Just stick to commenting and you should be fine.

BTW, the cowbell for Go Blue works great, otherwise I think no noise makers are needed.  Yelling louder would be appropriate.

Makin' movies, makin' music and
Fight-in'  profitgoblue Round The World!
Russell Crowe!

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July 18th, 2010 at 12:10 AM | Thanks for looking out. I (Score:1)
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Thanks for looking out. I mean I personally could care less if I had a million points or negative one million. Not the end of the world. I just thought people should see how rediculous it is and I dont think they should be awarded or taken away so easily. Its just silly.

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July 18th, 2010 at 12:19 AM | agree agree agree.....and (Score:1)
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agree agree agree.....and before the grammar nazis nail you, its ridiculous, not rediculous.  i'm gonna take my stoner buzz back to the Youtubes and interwebs.  Party hard.

Makin' movies, makin' music and
Fight-in'  profitgoblue Round The World!
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July 18th, 2010 at 1:17 AM | Grammar Nazi here.... (Score:1)
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It's ridiculous.  (Contraction - it is)

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July 19th, 2010 at 2:24 AM | Word Usage Nazi here... (Score:1)
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It should be "couldn't care less", not "could care less".  "I could care less", taken literally, is just about meaningless.

I compulsively downvote any usage of "lol".

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July 23rd, 2010 at 9:34 AM | couldn't care less (Score:1)
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I can't figure out why people see "I could care less," as that means "I actually do give a shit" when the purpose of the statement is to show how much you don't care.  Ok, this thread is really off topic now, but just thought I'd toss out one of my pet peeves.

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July 17th, 2010 at 7:12 PM | keys! Just joking (Score:1)
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keys! Just joking

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July 18th, 2010 at 12:14 AM | http://www.youtube.com/watch? (Score:1)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmG7mEXqdcA&feature=related

 

damn...i thought this would imbed....

Not gonna lie...i'm really baked.  This video made me laugh pretty hard though. What the hell was this kid thinking? The song starts to make sense the more I analyze it.

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July 17th, 2010 at 5:27 PM | The band has nice (Score:1)
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The band has nice noisemakers.  Personally, I can't stand artificial noisemakers.  They just give me a headache.  I'd rather have fun and cheer the team on than bang two sticks together or blow on a vuvuzela.

It's all John Navarre's fault.

 

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July 17th, 2010 at 5:28 PM | Vuvuzuelas, clearly. (Score:1)
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Vuvuzuelas, clearly.

Go Blue!

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July 18th, 2010 at 11:39 AM | i am in full agreement of (Score:1)
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i am in full agreement of Vuvuzuelas

@Nathanmizzi -Twitter

 

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July 21st, 2010 at 9:26 AM | Me Too!!! (Score:1)
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F'N Hilarious!!!

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July 17th, 2010 at 5:30 PM | (No subject) (Score:1)
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They no longer call me Bisbiño

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July 17th, 2010 at 5:37 PM | Mental note: (Score:1)
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Purchase fava beans, chianti.

They no longer call me Bisbiño

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July 17th, 2010 at 10:00 PM | great song... (Score:1)
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great song...

Touchdown Michigan!

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July 17th, 2010 at 5:32 PM | So, (Score:1)
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"down in front" doesn't work? (sarc) 

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July 21st, 2010 at 9:25 AM | YEAH! (Score:1)
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you ain't kiddin!!!!

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July 17th, 2010 at 5:33 PM | How many false start (Score:1)
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How many false start penalties did we cause for Notre Dame and Western? And I'm pretty sure both teams had to use time outs multiple times because they couldn't hear. BUT, we can do better this year!

"Ohio is like a giant turd that Michigan just can't pinch off"

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July 18th, 2010 at 3:43 AM | That's awesome. It also (Score:1)
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That's awesome. It also demonstrates that RAWK adds nothing to the experience. The yelling from the student section is great. The piped-in music is meh at best. More band, more cowbell.

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July 18th, 2010 at 7:41 AM | The circle of death disagrees (Score:1)
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as for the band- you can't hear them most of the time.  Don't get me wrong, I love the band they just don't play loud enough.  I swear the Delaware State band was as loud as ours with about 1/4 the numbers.

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July 18th, 2010 at 1:29 PM | The lack of (apparent) noise (Score:1)
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The lack of (apparent) noise from the band, and the reasons behind it /solutions for fixing it have been much discussed on here, but that's why I was asking for more. To me, nothing screams "college football" like a good marching band.

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July 17th, 2010 at 5:36 PM | Autzen (Score:1)
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Oregon has the loudest stadium in the country for a reason. It's designed to hold in sound significantly better than the big house. That being said, with the luxury boxes holding in more sound we won't be known as the quietest 110,000 people in the country anymore..... once we have victories to get excited about anyways. The Notre Dame game last year was deafening in the 4th quarter.

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July 17th, 2010 at 5:39 PM | We'll be the loudest, (Score:1)
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We'll be the loudest, quietest, and only 109000+ this season.

It's all John Navarre's fault.

 

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July 17th, 2010 at 5:42 PM | True Oregon's was designed (Score:1)
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True Oregon's was designed for noise, but our stadium being open and not being able to hold in noise is bs. Kinnick Stadium is just as open as the Big House and I heard it gets crazy in there too. 

"Ohio is like a giant turd that Michigan just can't pinch off"

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July 17th, 2010 at 5:52 PM | Kinnick (Score:1)
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The angle at which the seats rise at Kinnick is noticeably steeper than in the Big House. Also the stands are closer to the field.

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July 17th, 2010 at 6:04 PM | The stands in the Big House (Score:1)
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The stands in the Big House are maybe 7 feet farther away...

Michigan Stadium:
http://pdtumich.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/12/06/michigan_sta...

vs.

Kinnick:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/94/235558468_d42e506d65.jpg?v=0

"Ohio is like a giant turd that Michigan just can't pinch off"

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July 17th, 2010 at 6:15 PM | Image assist... (Score:1)
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July 18th, 2010 at 6:57 AM | Re: image assist (Score:1)
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I haven't been to Kinnick so I can't speak from experience, but the photos of Michigan stadium and Kinnick together make it appear as though the stands are approximately raked to the same degree. This might be an effect of the camera lenses taking the photos; the image linked here of Kinnick gives the impression of a substantially steeper rake than at the Big House:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cd/Kinnick_Stadium_2007.jpg

The argument shouldn't be either/or... our noise, or typical lack thereof, is not due to one single thing, but both things: our physical structure and resulting acoustics, in combination with a sizeable percentage of Michigan fans who seem to regard actively cheering as unseemly behavior. If our fans at the Big House were as consistently loud as they are at Yost, they'd be calling us Autzen East, even with no additions.

I've wondered if the acoustics resulting from our shallow bowl have not offered the instant acoustic feedback that other stadiums do; if your shout seems to reverberate and return to you, you're more likely to keep shouting. If your shout seems to die in the air with no return, you're more likely to stop shouting unless the specific conditions of the game provide enough motivation to continue. It's a question of acoustic reinforcement, and the additions should help with that.

When I think back to all the games I attended in the '70s and early '80s, the dominant sound in my memory is of the planes droning around the stadium pulling their banners over a pretty somnolent, quiescent crowd, even if we were beating the crap out of somebody.


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July 17th, 2010 at 6:27 PM | So you agree. (Score:1)
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And that makes a difference on the sidelines.

If your approximation of 7 feet is correct, then 7 feet is approximately 2-3 additional rows of people closer to the team bench (and from field level, the Kinnick stands are much closer to level with the teams on the sideline, whereas Michigan Stadium's are raised above and further back... The setup at Iowa nearly puts the first few rows of fans in the bench)

2-3 rows of people, with 5 sections along the team bench at approximately 40 seats per section equates to an additional 400-600 more fans occupying space which would otherwise be filled with press, photographers, trunks for equipment and training staff purposes, etc etc.

Even if it's only 7 feet, and it is probably a few more, it makes a difference, on the bench, on the field.

The bigger difference between field noise levels at Michigan and Iowa, however, is the drastic difference in the steepness of the stands. The closeness of the stands is indeed a factor, though.

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July 17th, 2010 at 7:07 PM | Angle of Kinnick: (Score:1)
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July 17th, 2010 at 7:08 PM | Look, maybe Kinnick's stands (Score:1)
jmblue
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Look, maybe Kinnick's stands are sloped more steeply than ours, but so what?  That doesn't change the fact that we have quiet fans.  Can you honestly deny that?  Why do you think "Down in front!" is a running joke around here? 

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July 17th, 2010 at 7:22 PM | 1st time trying to embed pic, sorry... (Score:1)
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Not sure why that pic is not the right one.

jmblue: My point was simply that the initial statement: "Kinnick Stadium is just as open as the Big House" is not accurate.

The architecture and setup of Michigan Stadium does not equal Kinnick Stadium. I did not want to delve into the discussion about fan demographics and gameday experience. I'm sorry that it came across that way.

FA: Thanks for the help. My first time trying to post a picture has not been a success. Maybe I'll put in the right URL this time?

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July 17th, 2010 at 7:09 PM | Not sure why you chose the (Score:1)
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Not sure why you chose the sizing you did. I'll see if I can't fix that, too.

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July 17th, 2010 at 6:18 PM | Enough with the excuses (Score:1)
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Enough with the excuses already.  Our stadium isn't loud because our fans aren't loud.  We have the same issue in basketball, and that's an indoor building.  The fact of the matter is that on the rare occasions when the old people in the stadium actually do cheer - like at the end of a close game - our stadium does get loud.  That wouldn't be possible if the acoustics were as bad as people claim.  Our problem is that a lot of our fans either don't want to make noise or feel embarassed about doing so.  We'll most likely keep on having this debate until the opera crowd at midfield finally passes on (though it's possible that today's younger alumni will turn into an opera crowd as they age, too).

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July 17th, 2010 at 7:41 PM | Bitching about acoustics is a (Score:1)
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Bitching about acoustics is a red herring.  When you have 110,000 people, they don't need perfect acoustics to make noise.  In any part of the stadium, you can hear the students when they're making noise when the other team has the ball.  And on the rare occasions when the rest of the stadium gets into it (usually only in the fourth quarter of a close game), the stadium can be deafening.  The real problem isn't the slope of the stands, it's that the 90,000 non-students at the game can't seem to figure out that it's advantageous to make noise all game when the other team has the ball.  As long as that remains the case, it doesn't matter how fantastic our acoustics become with the new structures.  We need to educate the older alumni about the need to be vocal.  Whining about the acoustics just muddles the argument.   

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July 20th, 2010 at 5:42 PM | 100% agreed.  Does anyone (Score:1)
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100% agreed.  Does anyone remember how loud it got during the '04 UM/MSU 3OT thriller?  It was almost painfully loud.  It's just sad that it takes rare moments like that to incite that level of excitement and vigor.  I've been to many stadiums including Kinnick and Memorial Stadium in Lincoln, NE and they are on their feet cheering and screaming from start to finish for the most part.  I understand it's hard to get excited when things aren't going your way, but realize that a loud crowd can help you turn the tide for your team.  I played basketball in one of the loudest high school gyms in the country and trust me, the crowd helped us immensely.  I emplore you, my fellow M fans, to get loud even for no reason and help our team to victory.  Go Blue!

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July 17th, 2010 at 7:56 PM | Kinnick is not more open. (Score:1)
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Kinnick is not more open. Kinnick and many stadiums like it have stands with a much greater incline which helps hold more noise in. Until you get to about row 80 in michigan stadium, the stands go out more than they go up.

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July 17th, 2010 at 5:57 PM | Autzen (Score:1)
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Autzen only holds 54,000 but it is also designed like a bowl with no upper decks:

 

One of the reasons Autzen is louder is how close the fans sit to the field (it does not have a track running around like The Big House), but It is hard to believe that accounts for all of the sound difference.

The only other thing I can see is that one side of the bowl has been extended higher and an overhang juts out that likely reflects noise back down to the field. Oregon claims the overhang is for weather reasons, but I believe it also holds in the noise.

Michigan could lower the field of The Big House again (adding more rows at the bottom and eliminating the track) or add some sort of partical overhangs to the new superstructures to hold in the noise. Short of that, the only way we make the place louder is to yell harder and more often.

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July 17th, 2010 at 5:58 PM | I could be wrong, but I (Score:1)
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I could be wrong, but I believe we are unable to lower the field anymore due to water table issues.

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July 17th, 2010 at 6:10 PM | Regarding the water table under the stadium, see... (Score:1)
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...Greg Dooley's "Fight for the Future" in HTTV 2101 on pp. 106-07.

In June of '26, a test was performed to check the makeup of the soil at the site.  They found positive results: the earth consistency was right and it showed little evidence of water.  Unfortunately, the test was totally wrong.  There was an overwhelming volume of water flowing beneath the property.

Yost hired the firm R.A. Mercier of Detroit to conduct the excavation later that summer, and they began the difficult dig in August.  On September 2, the early signs of water issues surfaced, as the Ann Arbor News noted the discovery of an "abundantly flowing spring."  By November it was a near disaster... [excerpt from The Big House regarding a major flood at the site.]

...

...Althought the gridiron is carpeted with FieldTurf these days, pumps are still required to move water away from the Big House.

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July 17th, 2010 at 6:59 PM | also (Score:1)
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legend has it that a crane sunk into the mud due to the water issues and is still, to this day, buried under the field. 

For my privacy, my new username is "non-Oriental non-Andrew"
 

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July 17th, 2010 at 7:14 PM | That's addressed... (Score:1)
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...and debunked in the same article on p. 107.

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July 17th, 2010 at 9:39 PM | That's not true...Herbstreit eventually got up (Score:1)
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