I smell some epic UM-OSU battles ahead.
i refuse to even consider this a possibility
I smell some epic UM-OSU battles ahead.
Can S.Morris come out and say that he doesn't give a damn about this OSU's Dline hype
shows that Mike Vrabel recruited him. Gotta be hard to look any further when you got guys with Superbowl Rings in your living room recruiting you to play for 2 time MNC coach Meyer.
I wonder if we could get Woodson to help us out on the recruiting trail once he's done with the Packers?
Hoke can also flash his 1997 michigan national championship ring. And his collection of b10 championship rings.
but if you're a kid with dreams of playing in the NFL you might be more impressed with a couple of Super Bowl rings.
Maybe we can get Tom Brady to do a little recruiting for us sometime in the future. He'll probably have 4 or 5 SB rings by the time he retires (hopefully). Also he just might be impressive to high potential QB recruits.
For informing us! I won't be a jackass about threads and such like a lot of people here. I just appreciate info, so thank you!
Wonder if Urb lied to this kid too
if he lied it would be to all of them. And that's part of the two coaching stuffs got Dave Brandon upset.
Urban Meyer is a big Seinfeld fan.
"It's not a lie if YOU believe it"...
It's not a lie if your bosses believe it.
the kid said he didn't think osu would get hit with harsh repercussions. aka, meyer is either lying his ass off, or the ncaa's nose is up ohio's ass, because they deserve extreme penalties for their transgressions.
i honestly think it's time for the ncaa to come with it's decision. old thinking was let the dark cloud hang over the program as long as possible, but with the way meyer is sweeping it under the rug and blowing sunshine up every unsuspecting 17 yr old's skirt, it'd be better served to have the hammer come down BEFORE the signing date. this delay is getting ridiculous and grossly favors osu.
They are going to have a ridiculous D-Line. Gotta hand it to Urban, he really is turning some heads. I honestly believe we are heading back to Michigan-Ohio and the little 10.
that matters. The only reason the defense was so good at Florida was because of Mattison. The only reason the offense was so good at Florida was because of Mullen. I'll take a bunch of 3 and 4 stars with Mattison against a bunch of 4 and 5 stars with Fickell anyday. Just wait until all the 4 and 5 stars Mattison recruited get on campus. This defense will be scary.
No offense, but that's a pretty myopic view of the situation. You know that Fickell has been the assistant D coordinator since 2005, right? The defenses at OSU have been phenominal under his watch, and I expect no different now. No doubt Hoke and Mattison have shown that they will be successful, but your statement is ludicrous. If anything, this rivalry will benefit from having the 2 strongest programs in the Big 10. But, hey, I guess you can believe anything you want to.
Yeah but Tressel wasn't exactly a slouch on defense either
Outside of recruiting, Tressel had nothing to do with defense at OSU. He stuck to the offense and special teams.
Who was in charge of lying and tattoos?
Tressel, Gee, Pryor, everyone, all of the above . . . take your pick? But, everyone lies, steals, murders, etc., so it doesn't really matter, right?
doesn't matter. Mattison is a much, much better coordinator than Fickell. And are you saying that Heacock had nothing to do with the success of the defense? I've seen nothing that says Heacock is returning and even if he does return, Mattison is still better. Frankly, I'm not being myopic at all. Compare Florida's offense with Mullen and without Mullen. Compare Florida's defense with Mattison and without Mattison. Yeah, you can believe in anything you want to. You're believing in the "freak out because ESPN is telling me to" dogma while I'm taking the "we have Brady Hoke, Greg Mattison, a great recruting class, and Ohio is about to get hit hard with sanctions" alternative.
Either both of your positions are dogma or neither are. Either or a combination of both could turn out to be the truth. I am guessing it will be a combination.
you mean that defense in 2008, which finished 4th in scoring and 9th in total defense without Mattison? The same one that was half of the squad that won the National Championship? Or how about 2009 where the Gators finished 4th and 4th, respectively, on defense. Not to mention 6th in total offense in 2009 without Mullen. 2010 was a down year, surely, but it's pretty shortsighted to believe that Meyer can't put together great teams without Mattison/Mullen.
If you haven't gathered by now, I am an Ohio State fan (nay, an Ohio fan), albeit one who can see through a lot of the bullshit and usually have a pretty good sense of humor about it. I'm happy to talk football and know that I'm in enemy territory, but please put away the rose-colored glasses for about 2 minutes. Michigan fans shouldn't be freaking out, but to act like Urban isn't an elite coach who will have Ohio State winning at a steady clip is just as asinine of a position.
As for Heacock, he was an instrumental figure , and I'm sure that his presence will be missed. Just don't underestimate Fickell as a DC, like you seem to be doing.
what I've said? Or did you decide to just put on your internet tough guy pants today?
No one on this board wears pants (to the best of my knowledge).
Did you really say "tough guy pants". Nice.
on a board on website that is entirely focused on Michigan athletics. You really take this board voting stuff seriously, don't you? You could probably go to some PSU or Indiana message boards if you would like content that is neutral as between Michigan and OSU. In fact, I strongly encourage you to go to such boards exclusively, so that Mgoboard's homerism does not sully your view on college athletics.
You're right. The assload of talent and Charlie Strong had NOTHING to do with it.
as the state of Florida? Meyer can't just have his pick of the crop anymore. FSU, Florida, Miami, and the other SEC schools have established bases there in Meyer's absence. Sure he'll be able to get some, but not as frequently as at Florida. And OSU lost their hold on Ohio with Tat-gate. And you do remember that Meyer said that Mattison was THE best recruiter? Instead of panicking and looking ahead to future with dread, I look ahead to the future with anticipation of what Hoke and Co. will be able to accomplish.
Ohio is, year in and year out, one of the top HS talent producers in the nation. He can get PLENTY of talent in Ohio. Easily as much as he did at Florida.
HOWEVA, I don't think anyone should assume he's just gonna come out firing on all cylinders in game one or anything. And definitley should nobody assume we can't take him. We can. But don't kid yourself. He's gonna get talent, and he's gonna be good.
Ohio is no slouch, sitting at 4th, but Florida, Texas, and California each more than double the NFL talent of Ohio.
at UF, he had to compete with miami and fsu for recruits. A lot easier to recruit in the state of Ohio...
Meyer may not come out firing from all cyclinders on day one, but he's got a damn good QB in Braxton Miller to run the system he wants. I don't think it will take him long to get the offense putting points up.
Cali, Texas, Florida, and Georgia have more.
Ohio State lost their hold on Ohio because of tat-gate? We lost one kid, you are over dramatizing it a bit. I can't imagine you honestly believe Ohio State lost it's recruiting hold on the state. If OSU want's a top kid in Ohio, 9 out of 10 times it will get him. Just because Kalis jumped ship doesn't mean it's an epidemic, especially with Meyer and probably no further sanctions.
So now that St. Urban's in town you've come back to posting on the MGoBlog. You drink the kool aid that he's selling about no further sanctions and (as if) Ohio is going to get a top kid 9 timews out of 10...Jon, stop fantasizing that your boosters are still paying players, that they are still getting tats/blunt at a discount for shoes they got from your equipment managers or just plain stole from the equipment room, that local auto dealerships are offering interesting discounts to players or their families and playing free rounds of golf at Scioto. It's not 2007 any longer Jon and there is a new sheriff in Ann Arbor.
Certainly, Urban will get a lot of talent in Ohio but don't sleep on Michigan, Hoke or Mattison taking players they want. Meet the new boss, Jon, same as the old boss.
Welcome back, internet tough guy.
How am I an Internet tough guy? What did I say that was dickish? Plus, I post here all the time? I'm saying Ohio State, based on past precedent, is going to get the best Ohio talent 9 times out of 10. They did it when Bo coached, they did it when Carr coached, why would it be any different under Hoke? The guy is obviously a great recruiter, but I think it's a bit much to assume Michigan is going to cherry pick Ohio kids whenever they want. And consider the Kool-aid finished. Though it's not coming from Urban, it's coming from the fact that no prior case with charges equal to OSU's has ever resulted in a bowl ban, or from the fact that OSU's actual punishments fit the actual crimes that were proven. Go ahead, pretend that OSU used rampant cheating to secure the last decade, but the NCAA, the facts and the penalties will show that worse case 2010 was the only year of wrongdoing, and all players/coaches involved were either suspended or fired. The arrogance is hilarious. You haven't been OSU's boss since 1927. Get a grip.
Well, I'll be your huckleberry Jon.
If by posting here "all the time" you mean that your last three posts were 3 weeks ago and your most recent post before that was 13 weeks ago then I suppose you figure that the seasons change frequently also? A regular you certainly are not...but armed with this new bravado with the hiring of St. Urban following your 40-34 loss here you are talking this inanity.
Jon, I am sure that as an Ohio fan you enjoy a level of delusion about the Tressel years but any rational examination tells us that there is no question there was "rampant cheating". You are going to deny Clarett, Smith, Pryor, Posey, Adams...Jon, I could go on...and on...and on, actually. In each case there are proven violations.
Are you really saying Troy Smith didn't take money? Do you sleep easy knowing the worldwide leader is going to uncover the emails from Tressel to Sarniak implicating Gee and Smith?
I like how you seem to have conveniently forgotten 2 - 10 - 1. The new boss is the same as the old boss. Sleep well Jon.
I can't find the moderate subject of "win" in the drop down list. Do I not have enough points?
Well played. You posted what all of us here were thinking.
Troy Smith took $500 from a booster, was suspended for 2 games his sophomore/junior seasons and forced to give it back. Mo Clarett was suspended for the season, and then kicked off the team for lying about the value of goods stolen from his car to police. Posey/Pryor/Adams/etc. were suspended 5 games each, Posey got 10 for being a super dumbass. But please, go on ... and on ... and on. I'd love to hear these other cases, so would the NCAA. One person in 2003, one person in 2004 and five people in 2010 is far from "rampant," and all of them were punished harshly. I didn't forget 2-10-1, but you want to blame 1-9 on cheating, as if those tattoos on five players 1) made them come here and 2) made them play better. Really? REALLY!? Seth and Amy are working on the new sketch right now. Again, you aren't OSU's boss anymore--WWI ended, like a long time ago. Enojoy the Urban Meyer era, it's going to be very similar to the Jim Tressel one.
I've heard this statement from numerous MSU fans..."I'll take the 2-3 star guys with D'antonio coaching, you keep your 4-5 star guys, cuz we beat you the last 4 years, just forget about the previous 7."
It's amazing that a person would actually believe what you just wrote. /shakes head
Isnt that the way it is supposed to be? B1G 2 and little 10. I think Neb will challenge us 2 out of 10 years while Wisky will challenge 3 out of 10 years.
Bring on the 10 Year War Part Duex. You talk about a bright and exciting future. Its great to be a Michigan Wolverine.
Man, OSU is really benefitting from the PSU implosion. I'm thinkin' they might be having their division locked up for the near future. Also, wondering if Pittman is now thinking "damnit"...that's a lot of good players at DE.
Meyer is really capitalising on the PSU void, more so than anyone else.
I fail to see how this any different than most years with OSU, they always get talent. They definitely are benefitting from PSU's troubles.
It's not really. Just that they were sluggish, and no have made a lot of ground in a few weeks. They're really just now back to where they probably would have been anyway. I'm more concerned that UM finish strong and that we can keep up that kind of success in the years to come. It's always gonna be a bit tougher for us considering we aren't in a talent rich state who is the only big time program where people care about it more than the pro teams.
They also have a solid freshman DL class with Bennett, Hale, and Steve Miller. No doubt they will have great DL, We will have a good OL though.
cant wait for the matchups. UM OL vs Ohio DL,,, damn how can they get 5stars so fast
Does anyone else find the fact that OSU is trying to lock up as many prospects as they can before the sanctions come out slighty suspicious?
Not sure I understand. Nobody is "locked up" until after they send their LOI.
Word is, NCAA will announce on Tuesday or Wednesday.
Ya my bad, poor phrasing. I meant committed. If the sanctions are moderately bad, then it will be easier to keep people already committed rather than trying to get someone to commit. Decommiting is a stressful process and some guys would rather just sticking it out, so they don't have to worry about starting a controversy.
Not at all.
they're like anyone else and are just trying to get the best possible recruits. Besides, you take a kid a highly touted as Spence whenever he wants to commit.
I assume the sanctions will come out before signing day in February. Weren't they expected within this week or next?
edit: beaten to the punch.
after everything that has happened OSU could end up with a higher rated recruiting class than us. The NCAA will give them a kiss and things will carry on as if nothing ever happened and Ohio hadn't cheated for the last 10 years.
I, for one, am extremely scared of how good their d-line will be. Three 5-star prospects within a few weeks? Anyone who says otherwise is just being unrealistic. This is probably the best d-line class in the nation. Thankfully we secured the best o-line.
Thankfully 3 of those D-line men are WDE as well.
Schutt is a tackle, Pittman, Spence, and Washington are both ends. They might all start at WDE but with their incredible talent and frames, I don't see a reason why two couldn't see the field at the same time. Spence and Washington for sure have the frame to move to SDE.
Didn't Florida just get like 3 5* D-linemen 2 years ago and people can still run the ball on Florida (a lot this year apparently). Talent is important but so is coaching. The guys on OSU's D-line this year weren't scrubs. We'll be ok
Oy. Just now holding out a flicker of hope that Urban is completely uninformed and the NCAA will come down hard, but no expectations.
I second the oy.
Well I am now convinced that ohio already knows they aren't going to get touched by the NCAA...really sad to be honest. Emmert will make sure nothing happens to his buddy Gee. Really sad that even in the ncaa money rules over ethics
We got Hoke, and we're recruiting just fine.
OMG OSU HAS A GREAT RECRUITTING CLASSS!!! OH NOESS!! RUUNNNN!!!
Seriously, no one with a level head thought that Meyer will do bad. He will do good. How good is yet to be determined. But remember how Ohio always has great recruiting classes? This is nothing new. If Tressel hadn't left, the class would be even better. The difference is that UM seems to be getting it's own house into order after what seems like a very long time. I don't think we'll see another 10 year stretch of one team dominating. I think it's going to return more to the 10-year war years, and it's gonna be epic.
That's he's going to win 10 of the next 10 years? When has Ohio State not been good, or talented? You'd have pissed yourself at the sight of Woody. Grow a pair.
I give this comment 5 stars. Out of four.
Have to beat the best to be the best. Bring on a great OSU squad every year to match up against our great teams and we'll be battle tested every year.
Urban to Ohio + Hoke= Big 2, little 10
PT Barnum? Anyone? Anyone?
HA! Family first? This coming from the guy that wanted to spend more time with his family, and that lasted less than a year? Wow. People are so gulible. Ohio has a lot of positives to sell recruits with, but I didn't think Meyer extoling family values was going to be one of them.
He completely ignored his family while at Florida and retired from there to be with his family then took a job at ESPN traveling all over the country, then last but not least he left his family again within a year to take the OSU job. Lots and lots of family values there.
Was the name of the woman he had the affair with while at Florida, not sure how he could have put Faith first....
I suppose the mom is talking about the faith book he keeps on the coffee table in his office for recruits to see.
The Winners Manual - Jim Tressel
The New Gold Standard - Charlie Weiss
Win Forever - Pete Carroll
Meyer is a recruiter not a coach. Wait until we start to get talent and develop it
There is no reason—none—that any Michigan fan should "fear" OSU with Meyer at the helm, but you're a total fool if you truly think that a guy who's 104-23 in ten years is not a damn good coach.
I just fell out of my chair.
Is that Spence waited to commit until AFTER Ace posted "Big Ten Recruiting Rankings." Poor Ace's diary was only accurate for three house.
These Buckeyes. Such jerks.
Faith and family first from a guy who almost had as many arrests as wins at UF? I understand the guy can coach and that Ohio has always had a good* program, but how gullible are these recruits and their families? For such a big decision, do they really do any homework before choosing?
good defensive line. I am interested to see if they get any sanctions, for all of the "gifts". I wish I had a car lot near campus.
You are absolutely right, let's fire hoke and get someone better, no matter what he did this year. Hoke sux compare to Urban and he wont out recruit Urban, so let's just call it a day and get someone new.
Don't ever change.
Ohio has always had a good defense, good coaching and good recruiting classes; this is nothing new. If you'd rather have Urban Meyer as your teams coach, go buy an "Ohio" jacket from the OSU marching band, do an OH-IO cheer and then complain about Hoke being classless because he doesn't say "state".
I'll stick with our victory in The Game, our other nine wins and our BCS berth, along with our top-five class that Hoke has put together in the past eleven months.
Um...aren't you the one saying he was the best hire ever? Freudian slip, much?
And the glee some us would have taken to see them suffer a little. But even if it had happened, it wasn't going to last long. Even Cooper could load them up with talent. Hoping they suck do we can succeed is a loser mentality. We need to get better. We're not there yet, but I like where we're heading.
People used to actually complain that OSU wasn't a big enough game because we were dominating them. Then they turned it around. We're due for a period of what made the rivalry great; an all out ten year war. The key is, as always, win your home games, then steal one on the road now and then. And that's how you win a REAL rivalry.
Meyer is like Weiss. He is a good recruiter and can use his scheme to get advantages, but is not a good coach. Hoke and company will develop the talent we bring in and that is more important.
He's won 2 national titles and went undefeated at Utah and took a 2 win Bowling Green team from 2 wins to 9 wins in consecutive seasons,
Guy can freaking coach. Hoke is in for a battle, but I think he understands the battle he's in.
It is a litte scary Urban can come in and within a few weeks bring their class right up to ours. I wouldnt be surprised if they land a few more big time prospects.
How is it scary? Seriouly!? Everybody except Spence and Schutt that has either committed or is talked about comitting has long had Ohio at the top of their lists. The only thing keeping them from committing is that Ohio didn't have a direction without a permenent head coach. Meyer's name deffinatly helps, but as long as a competent head coach was named, Ohio was going to reel in half the people that had committed already anyway. Do you realize how amazing a class they would have if Tressel had never left?
Broski, hes been there for like 3 weeks and already has the best DL class. I thought they wouldnt have agood class this year since the sanctions and all that stuff. He already has 5 committments, yes I could Adolphus washington because there was some shady shit with that, he already knew urban was the coach. And he got dunn to recommit.
Come to speak of it, I am really scared of Urban, he is getting all the recruits, Michigan should stop playing football and just give in to Urban Meyer. Our OL is nothing compared to these guys. With the NCAA coming down, and the punishment being nothing, they are going to get more players. I am really scared. What should we do?
Come on Darth. Let's call it a day and tell Morris and Dymonte to go to OSU. We will never get anyone else. Urban wins, we will rename the University of Michigan, the University of Urban Meyer. Hoke, 10-2, but he cant beat Meyer. Have they played yet, doesnt matter, we already lost.
Hows the detector working now.
Kalis will neutralize Spence.
I would rather have domination than neutralization.
Anyone expecting OSU NOT to have a good recruiting class year in and year out are fooling themselves. Meyer is doing it faster than expected. But that said, it should not effect our success, as long as we do things the right way.
Spence is a good get for OSU. Should be fun to see our OL class go against their DL class for the next four years.
You really have to hand to it OSU. Assuming the NCAA doesn't nuke them, they've played their cards perfectly. They set everything up perfectly so Urban Meyer could ride in on a white horse, proclaim what was done is done, and that a glorious future awaits all those who ride with them. The shitty year, the scandals, all of it doesn't matter because Meyer is so new and shiny.
As long as we get Garnett/Diamond, I'm not worried.
Michigan can win in a state with lower high school football talent. Examples: Oklahoma has literally no football talent, but OU wins, Nebraska was unstoppable under Tom Osborne with a talentless state
Michigan has more HS talent than those two states put together.
Oklahoma and Nebraska both recruit Texas well though. We have that with Ohio. We just can't lose it
Its all about coaching anyways, some 3 stars play like 5 star and some 5 stars fail, I'll take our 4 stars and add Mattison anyday.
While I tend to think the NCAA is going to let Ohio skate, WE DON'T KNOW YET. What happens if Ohio is slammed? If they have a two or three year bowl ban? If they lose 4 - 5 schollies a year over the next 2 - 3 years? Urban may already know (which is wrong in itself.) But he has to portray a strong sense of confidence (everything is fine, we'll all be fine, no problem here, move along, everything's under control.)
I'll assume that Ohio has no significant sanctions. But I also would be ecstatic if they irritate the NCAA by Meyer's confidence (nothing's happening,) and get more of a hammer brought down. This would automatically undercut Meyer's integrity, and it may cause a couple of guys to really think about whether or not they can trust him. Shoot, it is even possible, if they take enough schollies away that they're crippled, or can't honor offers made.
We weren't in it for Spence anyway, and I have every confidence in what Michigan can do. Not everyone wants to go to the evil empire.
Everyone seems to figure the NCAA is going to let Ohio skate but, if you look at it rationally, it's hard to say if that's really going to happen. Sure, Urban Meyer took his "dream job" so he could spend more time away from his family but is that necessarily an indicator that the NCAA is not going to take any action? Hard to say. Certainly, there is some connection between Gee/Smith and the NCAA but this didn't stop the various findings, didn't keep Tressel from being hung out and has still kept this situation ongoing for months. If the NCAA was going to let them off it would have been far better to have done so a month ago as the media stench of it would have washed off over the holidays and through the bowl season. Of course, there is also USC and the Pac 10 lobby to deal with as well. In enforcing the USC sanctions and bowl ban the NCAA has cost all members of the PAC 10 a pile of money (given USC's bowl profile) and it's difficult to see there not being serious repurcussions for the NCAA from those members should Ohio skate. I think there is a lot of 'sky is falling' sort of thinking about Ohio and a lack of sanctions but until I see it happen I don't think it's so likely. Too much at stake to just let them walk.
Ohio seems to know. They have told all of these recruits that nothing else is coming and they have nothing to worry about. They know something nobody else does. The NCAA is broken and it's time for schools to start leaving it and starting over in a system that is free of favoritism.
IIRC Ohio also knew that there was no issue last December when their players were reinstated, they knew that there was no systemic issue, they knew there was no way Tressel would be fired "I hope the head coach doesn't fire me", they knew that their hearings would be concluded in August and they knew that boosters like Bobby Degeronimo were under control as late as this fall? Right?
I'm not putting anything on Ohio except that they don't seem to know.
Putting FAITH in the never ending supply of whatever her FAMILY needs or wants.
at what point do we start worrying?
Umm. Never. I say bring it on.
Adolphus Washington must have told Noah how with the help of the academic support staff you can pass while giving minimal effort.
I would say Garnett was always important in this recruiting class. No matter who OSU gets, you want the best.
Good for OSU. Their class is pretty much par for the course for them. Where exactly are Washington, Pittman, and Spence going to play along the D-line? Everything I've read about all of them has them projected to only WDE. Am I missing something? That position is now stacked for them, but are any of those guys likely to move inside? You can only put one WDE on the field at a time.
to offer consolations for two coaching staffs to start Urban Liar Criers tenure affording him a fair recruiting field since the NCAA has come down so hard on and has set TUO$ so far back with sanctions?!
Negged for the Urban Liar Criers TUO$ trifecta.
Cooper had a lot of great recruits too.
Who cares. We got Hoke and THIS IS MICHIGAN FOR GODSAKES!! Ohio will get good players and Meyer will win games but Hoke will dominate him year in and year out when it matters on the field on the last saturday in november. We got this.
didn't we get the same help from the NCAA when richrod was hired?
Did Lloyd stay on when he was hired?
Yes Lloyd coached the team in to the Captial One Bowl against Florida, when RichRod was hired.
for a couple years, but I don't mind this. Concentrate the elite talent and have the huge battle for middle earth every year.
I thought they were limited in schollies this year though? I thought they could only take 16-17
It's more embarrassing for OSU that they've offered basically all of our recruits and none of them have flipped.
Why are people "scared"? OSU gets great recruits every year and they always will. Even if there are USC level sanctionsl they will still get great recruits. USC has amassed top ten classes over the last couple years and it's not as if OSU can't do the same. We're amassing as much talent along the O-line as they have along the D-line. It's going to make for competitive games, not domination from either side.
I agree completely, but what I think drives people crazy is the lack of karmic justice for OSU. That is a school with a checkered history that seemingly gets by with minimal punishments for transgressions that don't feel fundamentally different than the ones that lead to severe sanctions at other places. I'm sure OSU will get a scholarship hit and maybe a couple years probation, but considering how much happened behind the scenes it doesn't seem fair.
Osu is all of a sudden snatching up 5 star recruits left and right. I am annoyed and concerned.
There seem to be a lot of people here clinging to the belief that the "sanctions"—if there any at all—will amount to anything more than a limp slap on the wrist. They won't. Gorden Gee has his lips firmly wrapped around Mark Emmert's pecker (or is it the other way around) and Gene Smith is standing a few steps back with a big club in case Gee isn't successful.
Don, you're always pretty close to the truth which will likely leave us all disappointed once the so-called Ohio "sanctions" are revealed.
If six months ago, someone had told us that by the end of the year a B10 University AD and President would be forced out in disgrace, most would not likely have come up with Penn St. The irony, of course, is that not only has Ohio been largely unscathed since The Vest's ouster, but they're picking the meat off the bones of the Nittany Lion carcass.
Oh yes. It's on now.
Don, you're clinging to this idea that Ohio and their administration has been accurate in their prediction of the outcome of anything related to this series of scandals over the past year. Weren't the reinstated players last December not indicative of no further issues? Wasn't Tressel not going to fire Gee in March? Wasn't August the last anyone in Ohio was going to hear about hearings/potential punishments (I think Ramzy had a god damned barbecue and we heard just these same ridiculous statements)...oh, and in September weren't Posey and the other employees of Bob Digeronimo not anything too serious?
If Gee and Smith were so influential you'd think they might do a little better than getting their best head coach in a generation axed. If they were so relevant to the NCAA they could have saved him. If they held so much influence all of this would have been handled in August, right?
At the end of the day, the NCAA will have to measure it's ruling in terms of what to do about USC, Oregon, North Carolina and Miami. The most contentious of these will be the USC and PAC lobby as the ban on USC has literally cost their members millions of dollars potentially. Anything not in line with SC will cause NCAA level armageddon. There is, of course, this whole other issue with ESPN for Ohio as well.
As for your premise that Ohio is so influential with the NCAA it sure doesn't look like it's done a hell of a lot of good to date.
Would everyone please SHUT...THE FUCK...UP.
HATE OHIO STATE.... I love how they are the biggest fucking cheaters and the NCAA isn't going to do a fucking thing. It's so pathetic how college football is losing its prestige... I can't wait until with bitch slap those faggots in their house next year... C'mon Hoke let's do some damage
I understand that you really, really, really hate Ohio State. But calling them "faggots" makes you sound like one of them.
Good point... I take back that ignorant comment as I was rambling on.
you're only allowed to use those words if you make up a story and put them into the mouths of our AD and long time broadcaster
Then everybody fucking loves it
So once upon a time, Urban Meyer had the smarts to assemble a tremendous staff at Florida, but now, for some reason nobody explains, he no longer has the ability to identify and hire a new staff of quality assistants.
Ya, I mean his staffs at BG and at Utah (where he went undefeated) must have sucked. Whoever said that he has to prove he doesnt have his old staff is a fool. And I know we rip on Fickell alot but this guy is a solid Defensive coach. Their OC Herman has done big things everywhere he has been too. Meyer is a great coach, he wins, hes won without Mattison.
Everyone calm down!! Chris Spielman made the most telling comment about the rivalryduring "the Game". Luke Fickell lost three times to the Wolverines once the 'eyes were ranked #5 and twice they were ranked #2. Michigan has beaten Ohio teams they weren't supposed to beat in the past. tsiO has talent and they always will, but Hoke and his staff have done something RR and Carr (to a lesser extent) didn't do. They've given this team a confidence in themselves. As far as nothing else happening to tsiO with the NCAA. I think Smith and Gee have told Meyer that everything is going to be fine, why because if they told him that they were going to get hammered, would he have taken the job. Remember these are the people who said tsiO didn't have a "systemic problem" as it's turned out, they were either completely clueless or lying through their teeth. Either way I don't think Meyer has any idea what the sanctions are going to be. And if (a big if, I know) he gets blindsided by the NCAA, who's to say things between Meyer and tsiO don't go south quickly. There's the potential for some serious fireworks. I don't have my popcorn on hand, but the bag of Orville Redenbacher, is beside the microwave just in case.
It's not as if the Gee/Smith alliance has masterfully handled this issue since day 1.
Seriously that is what their fans wear.
Good for Noah Spence. Now he can count his stars while he's being pancaked by our o-line. Hope he enjoys the view.
I don't understand why people are discredting Urban's career as a product of his assistants. Yes, Urban has been backed-up by a good staff during of his career, but he has had success everywhere he's been with or without them. Dan Mullen wasn't always been his OC, plus Urban is a offensive head coach so its not like he needs a superstar OC to run his spread in the first place.
Yes, Greg Mattison is a great defensive mind, but Urban won at Utah, Bowling Green, and the last two years of Florida without him (including the 2009 National Championship). Also Luke Fickell is a pretty impressive defensive coordinator in his own right. Fickell was Tressel's co-DC the last 5 years, and probably had a bigger impact than Heacock in those years. (Honestly, I think Heacock has been serving as a figure head for the past half-decade because OSU wouldn't fire him out of loyalty especially since he was not detrimental to the program).
Also other than Tat-gate and the summer jobs, all the other claims have yet to be substantiated. Or is everyone's memory to short to remember all the claims the media made towards Michigan/RichRod and co. that turned out to be false in the end? I, for one, am going to wait until the NCAA completes their investigation before passing judgement on whether Tressel's decade of dominance was honorable or not.
Overall, I am excited for the future. The Big Ten is gaining some new blood, and perhaps a return to dominance. "The Game" is on its way to being exciting again, a second "Ten-Year War," hopefully. I welcome the change.
You are an Ohio student.
Not that it is really relevant to any of the points I have made, but I am actually from New York.
I really don't like this developing trend.
3 ESPN 150 recruits in one week...
This is ridiculous...OSU is going to walk away with nothing more than a slap on the wrist when their infractions approached USC status. They keep rolling along like nothing ever happened. Thank you NCAA for maintaining the "excellence" you so obviously strive to achieve.
And then a huge tiger came and ripped the effing s-h out of all those horrible things that make me sad.