No need to panic, but DROB to get NFL Appraisal
Says he will most likely stay at UM.
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"A year under my belt is going to help me a lot," Robinson said. "I think I can do some special things next year."
December 21st, 2011 at 7:54 PM ^
That is a good point. I actually see him as a hybrid. Someone like Darren Sproles or CJ Spiller - technically a RB, but also somebody who is shifted out to the slot to create mismatches or thrown to on screen passes, because you want to get the ball in their hands. The NFL will have no tape of Denard catching the ball (not that a lack of tape has ever been a hangup) and he may be told that having tape is good.
December 21st, 2011 at 8:02 PM ^
Yeah, I was thinking Darren Sproles as well. He might never the guy at RB, but he'll get reps and he'll make an impact. He might also return kicks like both of the guys you mentioned.
I doubt he'll get much tape catching balls, they might just need to go on faith on that one, but they can have him run routes at the combine and at his pro day.
December 21st, 2011 at 7:05 PM ^
I'm looking forward to his Heisman season next year.
December 21st, 2011 at 7:24 PM ^
December 21st, 2011 at 7:46 PM ^
I mean, does Denard look like a guy who is gonna leave early?
I know that we've lost a couple guys to the pros before, but this is a guy who passionately spoke in front of his teammates to tell them he was staying. The kid loves his teammates, he loves his coaches, and he loves Michigan. Denard isn't going anywhere. He's going to see what he needs to work on, and he's going to be a much better player next year.
Denard is fine.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:54 PM ^
I have no idea if he has any ability for or want to coach, but he is a kid you want around your team. His optimism, passion, and love of the game and Michigan are evident every time you see him or hear him speak. He is the ideal person to represent our program and it is truly a shame that he only has a year left. He is truly the opposite of a team cancer.
Denard, after a long, lucrative, and very successful career in the NFL, come back. Michigan will create a new position for you, "Team Smiler."
December 21st, 2011 at 7:44 PM ^
DRob is an elite talent .. And I think he will generate great reviews. This often results in a player bolting ... I.e. Darius Morris .... This definitely concerns me
December 21st, 2011 at 7:50 PM ^
Don't worry, if luck didn't jump ship or Bradford or even lineart when they were projected one overall I doubt shoelace will. The talent don't mean shit when it comes down to these decisions; it's on the person. You remember when mile Martin filled out the same app last year? I am promise you he was a better prospect at the next level at that time and still stayed.
December 21st, 2011 at 7:54 PM ^
Well said.
December 21st, 2011 at 7:59 PM ^
Thing If you think the coaches had any indication Denard was leaving i can assure you we WOULD have a qb in this recruiting class.
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December 21st, 2011 at 7:55 PM ^
Since we're going up against VT soon I looked at how Drobs numbers stand up against a similar college qb who plays qb in the NFL (Vick) and a similar qb who switched positions for the NFL (Randle El).
Note: even though Denard should have redshirted and I believe we have yet to see the "real" Denard that will enter the draft I think Vick was a slightly better passer entering the draft as a sophomore than Drob was the last 3 games of his second year as a starter.
Vick: 6'0" and currently around 215 lbs at 31
Denard: 6'0" and currently around 195 lbs at 21
Randle El :5'10" and roughly 190 lbs at 32
Vick Freshman (19 yrs old)
Pass: [90/152 @ 59.2% w/ 1840 yds. 12 td. 5 int] Rush: [108 for 585 yds @5.8 and 8 td]
Vick Sophmore (20 yrs old)
Pass: [87/161 @ 54% w/ 1234 yds. 8 td. 6 int] Rush: [104 for 617 yds @5.9 and 8 td]
Denard Sophomore (first year starting, 20 yrs old)
Pass: [182/291 @ 62.5% w/ 2570 yds. 18td. 11int] Rush: [256 for 1702 yds @6.6 and 14td]
Denard Junior (21 yrs old)
Pass: [133/237 @ 56.1% w/ 2056 yds. 18td. 14int] Rush: [208 for 1163 yds @5.6 and 16td]
Randle El RSFreshman ( first year starting)
Pass: [127/273 @46.5% w/ 1745 yds. 6td. 11int] Rush: [227 for 873 yds @3.8 and 10td]
Radle El RSSophmore
Pass: [150/279 @53.8% w/ 2277 yds. 17 td. 7 int] Rush: [224 for 788 yds @3.5 and 13td]
Randle El RSJunior
Pass:[133/277 @48% w/ 1783 yds. 10 td. 14 int] Rush: [218 for 1270 yds @5.8 and 13td]
Randle El RSSenior
Pass:[118/231 @51.1% w/ 1664 yds. 9td. 5 int] Rush: [188 for 964 yds @5.1 and 8td]
Randle El never had a chance at being a pro qb being 5'10" and barely completing more than 50% of his passes.
Vick has gone on to put up similar numbers in the pros. Completing around 55% of his passes throwing 93 tds to 58 ints (some years closer to 50/50) averaging fewer tds with his feet (30 in 7 seasons) and averaging around 8 rushing attempts per game for roughly 57 yards per game. Even in his ProBowl 04 and 05 seasons his passer rating was in the mid 70's and he only threw 3 more td's than int's in both years combined. Denards numbers are also abbreviated. Last year he sat for large portions of games due to injury, and this year the offense was struggling to find itself for the first half of the season. Denard still has a long way to go with his accuracy and mechanics, but based on what we saw against Illinois, Nebraska, and Ohio he's obviously making strides under Borges tutelage. If he can maintain consitency in his passing game then I don't see why he wouldn't be a pro qb somewhere like Michael Vick or Tim Tebow.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:49 PM ^
that this is buried in the comments of another thread. I dont know if its because you dont have enough points or what (on my phone, can't tell) but this should be a board post. Better than most of the stuff that makes it there, because Im guessing it took you at least a little while to put it together.
December 22nd, 2011 at 12:17 PM ^
No objection to it being an MGoBoard topic. You could post it if you want to. I put it here more to get the info out, I figured if I made it a forum topic the debate would get a little heated since he's only recently made some dramatic strides as a passer.
December 21st, 2011 at 7:58 PM ^
I'd be amazed if Robinson left - he'll need to make a position switch in the NFL anyway, and I don't foresee a decision to leave early translating into a better draft position. Plus, he seems like a smart kid who would want to take advantage of the educational opportunities the school has to offer, so why not when you are this close?
December 21st, 2011 at 8:03 PM ^
I think this does warrant some worrying. Denard has to know he won't get a high grade as a quarterback. If he's entertaining the thought of going pro that means he's most likely open to entering the league at another position. And he may get an enticing evaluation as a non qb.
He has a lot of good reasons to stick around, but it's a scary thought.
December 21st, 2011 at 8:01 PM ^
In 1944 the Detroit Lions made Otto Graham the 4th overall pick in the draft. Graham was 6'1 196 and made the HOF in 1965. So I figure Denard 6'0'' 195 is just like Otto Graham. an HOF'er in the making and predict right here and now, the Lions will trade up in the draft in 2013 to draft Denard with the 4th overall pick. I hope Denard is prepared to make Michigan his permanent home. Bill Ford will offer Denard mad money and also purchase Belle Isle for Denard.
December 21st, 2011 at 8:50 PM ^
Players were 100-200 lbs lighter in 1944.
December 21st, 2011 at 9:34 PM ^
/s meter broken...
December 21st, 2011 at 8:18 PM ^
To those questions didn't reduce my panic. "we'll see what happens" and "most likely" don't sound so strong.
December 21st, 2011 at 8:21 PM ^
Don't let the tape fool you. Denard is slow. And I mean SLOW. He can't change direction, and he has poor vision and acceleration. Off the field, he has been known to be a cancer in the locker room, and has had multiple run-ins with the law (petty larceny, homicide via trident, etc.).
You DO NOT want to draft this guy. Trust me. He needs another year of college.
Sincerely,
Totally Serious Michigan Fans
December 21st, 2011 at 8:28 PM ^
and to all NFL Scouts it is my duty as a citizen to go to the police with this confession...Denard killed Five hookers...
December 21st, 2011 at 8:46 PM ^
Denard ran so fast he went back in time and saved 5 hookers from Craig James.
December 22nd, 2011 at 2:08 AM ^
Denard and CRAIG JAMES KILLED 5 HOOKERS together?
December 21st, 2011 at 8:49 PM ^
He definitely will need to really shine and stay healthy to go pro as a slot receiver. Right now there is zero chance he will get drafted. Howevuh, I know he is tough. He will kick ass next year and work out as a KR or receiver.
December 21st, 2011 at 9:30 PM ^
He is just trying to see what he needs to improve next season
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<br>He is just curious
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<br>It has something to do with buying insurance
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<br>I feel a little better...
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<br>Not panicking but I really want to see what he can do as a senior. I am already excited for that opener against Alabama.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:08 PM ^
I just can't see Robinson leaving. If he has any hopes of playing QB at the next level, which I'd be amazed if anyone even gave him the chance, he needs to have another year under his belt. In addition, he just seems like the kind of guy who has a "my work here isn't finished" mentality. There's too many good reasons for him to stay, and not enough for him to leave.
Besides, I already have this vision in my head of him scoring the game winning TD against Alabama next year, something to the effect of a 70 yd TD run.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:26 PM ^
now i can't get rid of this damn unicorn!
December 21st, 2011 at 11:04 PM ^
I don't see him leaving now but he would be foolish to not get their opinions. One thing that can really help him is if Tebow keeps getting better - that could really change the way NFL teams are looking at dual-threat QBs. Denard is already a better passer than Tebow. At worst teams will increasingly want that kind of player to use situationally, especialy if he can help elsewhere - kick returns, third-down etc. Denard will be in the NFL.
December 22nd, 2011 at 10:00 AM ^
I wounder if all purpose back will bring on new meaning in years to come.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:41 PM ^
Nobody is going to want Denard as an NFL QB at his current state of development. If he gets accurate feedback from the NFL, he will know what he needs to work on individually while he is helping Michigan win the B1G next season.
I would imagine that Al Borges is going to do all he can to help Denard develop into a bona fide NFL QB. Sadly, though, I think "6-1" is a tad generous, and the NFL still seems to want QB's not named Drew Brees to be at least 6-4.
I think it is a very reasonable bet that Denard will decide to stay for what could be a storybook ending to what is turning into a great career at Michigan.
December 22nd, 2011 at 7:36 AM ^
It is either shoelace or denard. Don't lump him in with that mindless trend of nicknames
December 22nd, 2011 at 7:50 AM ^
This process is about Denard's future. If I were to guess, the coaching staff probably has a meeting with the juniors and seniors (maybe everyone) on the team to find out were they want to go after football. The coaching staff probably recommended that Denard get evaluated in order to see were he needs to improve. This coaching staff really seems to be devoted to each team member and wants to help them succeed in life. Nothing to see execept helping a student athlete continue to work towards a goal beyond college.
December 22nd, 2011 at 10:05 AM ^
not drafted at QB. Will come back, win the Heisman, picked late 3rd round next year as QB.